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soft d300
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OleThorsen
Senior Member
Your title postulate the D300 is soft. Was that a typo?
Then you fear the D200 is soft, and only ask for pictures from a specific lens. I don't have that lens, so I can't show you how sharp the D200 can be. Do you see the problem?
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Dear OleThorsen ,Yes that was a typo. Sorry! I meant d200.
Thank you for telling me.
sincerely,
Jay land
Thank you for telling me.
sincerely,
Jay land
Piotr 01
Member
I agree with Ole. D200 is really sharp but everything depends on lens. I don't have the lens you asking about but I work with several Nikkor lenses and I'm sure you will feel OK with D200 if you try it with really good lens ( i.e. Micro 60 or 105 )
I wish you a lot of goot pics.
Piotr
I wish you a lot of goot pics.
Piotr
puddleduck
Senior Member
Just set in-camera sharpening to +1 or +2 if shooting JPEGs.
I've found thats as sharp as I've ever needed.
The D200 could use better glass than the 18-200 so any softness is likely to be with the lens...
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-Andy
I've found thats as sharp as I've ever needed.
The D200 could use better glass than the 18-200 so any softness is likely to be with the lens...
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-Andy
LilKnytt
Veteran Member
than yes I guess the D200 is soft.
Personally I don't. I did before I realized that due to inexperience I was shooting with bad settings. I don't now.
However, if you don't want slightly soft shots, then you should really reconsider your choice of lens. The 18-200 is not considered the sharpest lens Nikon makes. If you wish for sharp you really will need a different lens than that one.
JMHO
Lil
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What camera are you moving from? Another DSLR?
Mauro.B
Senior Member
is "soft" only if focus is not properly calibrated. Otherwise is as sharp as any other 10 mpix camera.
Small photosites imply lower local contrast, which D200's internal jpeg engine does not artificially recover - correctly so as to leave user with pp choices. Some people mistake lower constrast for softness, even if that is partially true since our brain associates low contrast to lack of sharpness.
The 18-200 VR is not the sharpest lens on the market. It's sharpness performance is acceptable but the expectations of miracles delivery is irrealistic.
Shoot a jpeg portrait with the $100 Nikkor 50mm F1.8 (or a 60mm F2.8 micro) and you will see real sharpness.
As per the 18-200 VR, correct strategy for critical shots is shooting nef + Jpeg (with internal sharpness set to +1 if you like), than re-set nef sharpness to "none" in NX and re-sharpen the jpeg output in photoshop depending on final size.
For full-sized pics, a good USM starting point for landscapes is 120 - 1 - 1: details will amazingly pop out.
M
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Mauro
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Small photosites imply lower local contrast, which D200's internal jpeg engine does not artificially recover - correctly so as to leave user with pp choices. Some people mistake lower constrast for softness, even if that is partially true since our brain associates low contrast to lack of sharpness.
The 18-200 VR is not the sharpest lens on the market. It's sharpness performance is acceptable but the expectations of miracles delivery is irrealistic.
Shoot a jpeg portrait with the $100 Nikkor 50mm F1.8 (or a 60mm F2.8 micro) and you will see real sharpness.
As per the 18-200 VR, correct strategy for critical shots is shooting nef + Jpeg (with internal sharpness set to +1 if you like), than re-set nef sharpness to "none" in NX and re-sharpen the jpeg output in photoshop depending on final size.
For full-sized pics, a good USM starting point for landscapes is 120 - 1 - 1: details will amazingly pop out.
M
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Mauro
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DJ Dunzie
Leading Member
Unfortunately I don't have better examples available of that combo right now sorry, but it's a capable one if you recognize the slight limitations of a super-super-zoom lens.
D200 and 18-200VR:
D70s and 18-200VR:
D200 and 18-200VR:
D70s and 18-200VR:
ovrebekk
Senior Member
I recently posted in a similar discussion, and i can assure you the D200 is not soft.
The 18-200, on the other hand, is a different story. I havent tried it but reportedly it is not the sharpest lens out there. And what can you expect? I is a 11.1 X zoom after all
I also posted some samples from the D200, but not with the 18-200mm.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=24750350
The 18-200, on the other hand, is a different story. I havent tried it but reportedly it is not the sharpest lens out there. And what can you expect? I is a 11.1 X zoom after all
I also posted some samples from the D200, but not with the 18-200mm.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=24750350
The D200 requires good hand-holding and usually a +1 in-cam sharpening is a good starting point. While the D40 or D70s is better at 0 sharpening, the detail the D200 captures at 10MP is noticeably more than the 6MP models and the image is of significantly better quality - smoother gradation, less sharpening artifacts, more detail.
The 18-200 is a different story - pretty decent in the 18-80 range, except the corners and the distortion (the latter correctable with software). Above 100mm it performs less than stellar and while it is not terrible, it is nothing special and even a lowly and a 55-200 or 70-300 lens would improve on the IQ there.
Tons of discussions on this topic...
Regards,
Mihail
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The 18-200 is a different story - pretty decent in the 18-80 range, except the corners and the distortion (the latter correctable with software). Above 100mm it performs less than stellar and while it is not terrible, it is nothing special and even a lowly and a 55-200 or 70-300 lens would improve on the IQ there.
Tons of discussions on this topic...
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Mihail
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glastoria
Well-known member
I can just confirm that the 18-200 is quite soft.
Pictures taken with the 50mm f/1.4 and the 80-200mm f/2.8 are by far sharper.
Regards,
Pictures taken with the 50mm f/1.4 and the 80-200mm f/2.8 are by far sharper.
Regards,
Andy, Thank you for that!
I will experiment with that when I get it.
Gratitude for your time and energy !.
Sincerely,
Jay
I will experiment with that when I get it.
Gratitude for your time and energy !.
Sincerely,
Jay
LIL, Spectacular Image! I visited your site. Your work is remarkable
and you are lovely!
Thank you for your help ,time and energy!
What lens did you use please!
Ouch about your news of the lens I ordered. Maybe it's purposes will be limited.
I want to get the lens you used for that Bird!
Thank you for your help ,time and energy!
Jay
LilKnytt wrote:
and you are lovely!
Thank you for your help ,time and energy!
What lens did you use please!
Ouch about your news of the lens I ordered. Maybe it's purposes will be limited.
I want to get the lens you used for that Bird!
Thank you for your help ,time and energy!
Jay
LilKnytt wrote:
than yes I guess the D200 is soft.
Personally I don't. I did before I realized that due to inexperience
I was shooting with bad settings. I don't now.
However, if you don't want slightly soft shots, then you should
really reconsider your choice of lens. The 18-200 is not considered
the sharpest lens Nikon makes. If you wish for sharp you really will
need a different lens than that one.
JMHO
Lil
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A very humble beginning of a gallery, showing my progression with
help from caring friends especially on DPR, can be visited by friends
& family at
http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/
Remember - - - it's humble, very humble
justahack
Senior Member
Only soft if you shoot JPEG's at default in-camera sharpening (and if you plan to do that you should have bought a simple point&shoot).
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Cheers.
...Please don't rub up against my glass...
I always get very good results with the 18-200 if I just pretend it can't be set below f8. If I need faster I use a different lens.
VR 'off' for flash is another good rule, don't ask me why, but there's a difference.
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Z-Man
VR 'off' for flash is another good rule, don't ask me why, but there's a difference.
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Z-Man
Mauro, Thank you for the set up plan!
I was published in the 1980's with my photos
of maui windsurfing in "WINDSURF ITALIA"
I used a nikon and a century 650mm lens . talk about a soft lens
Hello from Laguna Beach California!
I won't forget your help soon!
Friendly best regards,
Jay Land
Thank's Mauro
I was published in the 1980's with my photos
of maui windsurfing in "WINDSURF ITALIA"
I used a nikon and a century 650mm lens . talk about a soft lens
Hello from Laguna Beach California!
I won't forget your help soon!
Friendly best regards,
Jay Land
Thank's Mauro
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