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Spooky! No sensible sample of D300!!?

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Two studio shots of the same subject at ISO200 doesn't answer my burning questions about high ISO noise and highlight handling.

Happy to see them, but those two images are a VERY limited example of the cameras capabilities and/or weaknesses.

The D3 samples are much more useful and even they are not as varied and extensive as I'd like.

Lets hope there are many more on the way for both cameras.
 
Sonylover1 said:
Where are the pre-samples of D300???
You can see a lot of A700 and 40D. But where are the ones from 300D?
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The Canon 40D is already on the shop shelves. Did Canon release images months before it was released?
Sonylover1 said:
Its I kind of spooky feeling...the samples from A700 and D300 in high
ISO are impressive. BUT the iso100-200 with A700 looks like smeared
pooh on a plate.
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Sonylover1 said:
We all could assume that A700 and 300D shares the same 12 MP sensor
(and LCD)
I hope that neither A700 or 300D will have that iso100 look in the
production line.

Or else Canon 40D will take game, set and match.

Seems that Nikon threw their release a little premature, just to do
Canon some harm. good thinking but they have to release more samples
from production 300D or else peoples interest will diminish.

I am placing 40D, A700 and 300D in that order. Most value for money.

Mike
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What a childish rant. Wait till proper tests/images appear. Then decide.
 
There were a lot of 40D pics just days after press release.
Not so with Nikon.
Sony has more pics out and they did the release after nikon.

Anyway. If nikon D80 is so good as this test on 40D shows then the D300 will be a killer.

1. Look at the A700 vs Canon 5D resolution. Same sensor in D300 with som magical Nikon touch perhaps even better.

2. Look att D80 performance in Noise vs 40D. Not so bad.

http://www DOT cameralabs DOT com/reviews/Canon_EOS_40D/resolution.shtml

I said that I found some A700 pics looking like smeared pooh on a plate. Thats drastic. But look at the pics at Cameralabs and on he e-photgrafija.
Some has the smeared look in cheap Samsung or Panny P&S.

Mike
 
Sonylover1 said:
There were a lot of 40D pics just days after press release.
Not so with Nikon.
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The Canon press release came just before the product release. The Nikon press release was a few months before the product release. That is the difference. The Sony press release was also just before the product release.

So the pertinent question might be "Why did Nikon announce the product so early?". Well, Canon have announced the 1DsIII early too. I suspect Nikon made the announcement early to pre-empt the Canon 40D and 1DIII.
Sonylover1 said:
Sony has more pics out and they did the release after nikon.

Anyway. If nikon D80 is so good as this test on 40D shows then the
D300 will be a killer.

1. Look at the A700 vs Canon 5D resolution. Same sensor in D300 with
som magical Nikon touch perhaps even better.

2. Look att D80 performance in Noise vs 40D. Not so bad.

http://www DOT cameralabs DOT com/reviews/Canon_EOS_40D/resolution.shtml

I said that I found some A700 pics looking like smeared pooh on a
plate. Thats drastic. But look at the pics at Cameralabs and on he
e-photgrafija.
Some has the smeared look in cheap Samsung or Panny P&S.
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They are using mediocre lenses. Some A700 images - taken with primes - are amazing. Some 40D images taken with zooms on this site are awful. Others are good.
Sonylover1 said:
Mike
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Slough said:
Sonylover1 said:
There were a lot of 40D pics just days after press release.
Not so with Nikon.
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It is significant that Canon is prepared to deliver the 40D in volume right away. But otherwise the 40D has no significance to the samples question.
Slough said:
Slough said:
Sony has more pics out and they did the release after nikon.
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One question is why does Sony have samples for the A700 and Nikon does not for the D300. The other and probably more interesting question is why does Nikon have samples for the D3 and not for the D300? In the absence of the A700 images, it might be reasonable to suspect that the D300 sensor was not ready. But the A700 images suggest otherwise.

The most likely answer is that there is not that much difference between the D300 and the D3 and that Nikon wants to focus attention on the D3. It probably is not reasonable to expect more than a stop difference between the D300 and the D3. There are some pretty good looking A700 samples even at iso 6400. If anything, the specs suggest that Nikon is getting the best of Sony's sensor output. So Nikon is probably just not in a hurry to show how good the D300 is.
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I was very disappointed by these first two samples. They look more like a lesson in creating a certain mood with studio lighting techniques, rather than an exhibition of the D300 image quality.
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Scott A.

 
dnjake said:
Slough said:
Sonylover1 said:
There were a lot of 40D pics just days after press release.
Not so with Nikon.
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It is significant that Canon is prepared to deliver the 40D in volume
right away. But otherwise the 40D has no significance to the samples
question.
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I don't understand your point.
dnjake said:
dnjake said:
dnjake said:
Sony has more pics out and they did the release after nikon.
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You completely ignore the point I made. I will re-express it in case it was unclear.

As I said, Nikon announced several months before the product release. That means they did not have production cameras with production firmware. It is still being tweaked. Production cameras are now in existence, but not production firmware. Sony announced just before the product release. Hence they had production cameras with production firmware.

Basically companies do not want to show pictures from beta release firmware.
dnjake said:
One question is why does Sony have samples for the A700 and Nikon
does not for the D300.
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See above.
dnjake said:
The other and probably more interesting
question is why does Nikon have samples for the D3 and not for the
D300?
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They have samples for both. But more for the D3. It is a valid question.
dnjake said:
In the absence of the A700 images, it might be reasonable to
suspect that the D300 sensor was not ready. But the A700 images
suggest otherwise.
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They are different companies and the two cameras do not use the same sensor. They are similar, but need to be produced and tested separately. The D300 is not yet ready for proper tests.
dnjake said:
The most likely answer is that there is not that much difference
between the D300 and the D3 and that Nikon wants to focus attention
on the D3.
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The last bit may well be right. The D3 is the flagship with world beating performance. Probably. Subject to testing and no Canon 1DIII style fiascos.
dnjake said:
It probably is not reasonable to expect more than a stop
difference between the D300 and the D3.
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Don't bet on it. The D3 has smaller gaps between the micro lenses and probably has more advanced DSPs on board. It is not just the sensor photosites, but the associated electronics and signal processing that determine the output.

But I hope you turn out to be right. :)
dnjake said:
There are some pretty good
looking A700 samples even at iso 6400. If anything, the specs
suggest that Nikon is getting the best of Sony's sensor output. So
Nikon is probably just not in a hurry to show how good the D300 is.
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You might be right. The D200 and A100 use similar sensors, but the D200 does better.
dnjake said:
David Jacobson
http://www.pbase.com/dnjake
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dnjake said:
The most likely answer is that there is not that much difference
between the D300 and the D3 and that Nikon wants to focus attention
on the D3. It probably is not reasonable to expect more than a stop
difference between the D300 and the D3.
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The D300 (and D2x) have packed more pixels into the 1.5x/1.6x sensor than we've ever seen. The pixel pitch is 5.6 micrometers, matching the smallest pixels we've ever seen from Nikon/Canon dSLR. The D3 pixel pitch is 8.4 micrometers, giving it the largest pixels of any camera in the past 5 years.

Smallest pixels ever versus largest pixels ever. People who think the D300 will be "almost" as good as the D3 are only setting themselves up for disappointment with an otherwise great-looking camera. Honestly, I think it would be unreasonable to expect anything less than 2 stops difference between the D3 and D300.

The D300 has been handed professional grade features previously unavailable on a camera of this class. It's been said that the D3 and D300 are functionally identical in almost every way. Build quality is also very close. So why does Nikon feel confident in charging $5000 for one camera, but only $1800 for the other? I can assure you: It's because there's going to be a huge difference in high ISO between those two.

I agree with the person who said that the lack of any D300 sample beyond the base ISO 200 sensitivity is very telling. The D3 is a great camera, and Nikon shows it off by displaying ISO 3200 and ISO 6400 samples on the official website. The D300 didn't get this vote of confidence --- not even at ISO 400 or ISO 800.
 
Good post from you.

Now we are analyzing the situation (though som speculating) instead of bashing opinions.

It is telling that so many others find the absence of D300 pics a bit mysterious and I am thankful for yours and others constructive thoughts.

Mike
 
Couldn't it just be that Nikon has more job already done on the D3 and can show some high ISO pictures while they haven't yet finished the high ISO tuning and post treatment on the D300?

Couldn't it just be that they had to announce something, not only on this very special year but as well to avoid people rushing on Canon's 40D.

On a marketing point of view, announcing both the D300 and the D3 at the same time, showing only D3 results seems to be quite efficient... Everybody is just speaking and wondering about the D300 and half os us just believe it will be as (or nearly) as good as the D3. As a result, many people are alerady considering buying it even though they do not know anything about the final results.
 
dnjake said:
The most likely answer is that there is not that much difference
between the D300 and the D3 and that Nikon wants to focus attention
on the D3.
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More likely is that Nikon has an exclusive on the superior D3 sensor (at least for a specified time) and chooses not to spend time right now on showing results from a camera whose sensor will also be available in models from Sony and probably Pentax/Samsung as well.
 
Looks like some real photographers are getting the cameras now.

http://a700club.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=sample

Looking forward to better D300 samples.

Cheers,

N

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It is funny how, everyone who agrees with you seems so much smarter
 
...more samples of A700, and these were better.

Is it in mine imagination?, but it seems that higher MP is setting more pressure on imageprocessing resulting in more and more soft pics?.
They are playing safe with noise but delivers normal pics at -3 sharpness.
Just my thought.

I really long for Phils (DP) and Daves (IR) reviews - clearing out things.

Mike
 
enough of these already....

At least get the name of the D300 right - it's called a D300 not a 300D.

Really

Lil
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Remember - - - it's humble, very humble
 
I don't understand the A700 pics are, as I understand it, unofficial. There are unofficial D300 ISO 6400 pics and they are outstanding. By outstanding I mean objectively. I never take much notice of "I think the L8900HN is much better" since usually they are owners of the L8900HN. I prefer Noiseninja scores. The D300 pics at 6400 give an index of 47 (41 Luma 6 Chroma). That is less noise than my D2X had at ISO 800. So of course, I wait for official examples but nothing has me worried so far and I still see my [reordered D300s as an upgrade from a D2X.
 
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