Ok i am newbie to the forum, i know not another one of those ) anyways I have searched questions so i hope this will not sound repeative. heres my delima- ok i have a 30d, images are always soft. I also am shooting with the eos mark II i( which is a friends camera) shoot wedding. My current lenses are 70-200, 24-70 , 50 1.8 , 14-70 . I want to upgrade my camera and some new lenses. I have about 5000.00 to spend. I really want a camera with more mp I feel like my 16x20 enlargements with these camera are not sharp enough. so with all that being said should i need a second camera of my own, should I upgrade now to a 5d or hold out for the new 5d. or will the 40D hold me off and i should invest in better lenses!!!! I realize this is a long question. and promise i have read question after question only to more confusued! I am also looking at the sigma 14 2.8 and the canon 100. Any suggestions? thanks for your help
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ruut
Leading Member
Your lenses seems good to me though the 16-35/2.8 good be interesting as well as a 85/1.2.
I would not change a 30D for a 40D, just not worth it for me. If you have enough time a new 5d mkXX could be very intersting for your kind of work or... perhaps a 1dmk3?
Just my 2cents..
Ruut
I would not change a 30D for a 40D, just not worth it for me. If you have enough time a new 5d mkXX could be very intersting for your kind of work or... perhaps a 1dmk3?
Just my 2cents..
Ruut
Robert Holloway
Senior Member
Hope this helps. I have shot weddings this year and this kit seems to do it well for me
30D/40D - $1200
Flash 430EX $250
17-40 - $600
24-105 - $1100
70-200F4 - $600
50 f1.4 - $300
With your set up I think you are screaming out for a 5D which will set you back $2600. It has more than enough mpxls, works great at high ISO and you don't need 5fps for a wedding. I don't see the need for a 1DS when the 5D is about.
I would invest in a good flash and diffuser assuming you don't have one
On lenses - don't take too many as weddings from my experience are about capturing moments and you don't have time to carry too many and be making changes all day. With a full frame camera a 24-70 and 70-200 will be superb. I would carry a wide angle for the church interiors and exteriors before the service.
I have a love affair with my 135 f2 . The only issue is that on my 30FD it's too long. I cannot wait to go FF and have it working as planned. I wish i had the 85 f1.2 but simply cannot justify the price. That and the 5D will sink your $5k immediately
No right answers, hope this helps
Rob
'Nothing beats fast glass'
30D/40D - $1200
Flash 430EX $250
17-40 - $600
24-105 - $1100
70-200F4 - $600
50 f1.4 - $300
With your set up I think you are screaming out for a 5D which will set you back $2600. It has more than enough mpxls, works great at high ISO and you don't need 5fps for a wedding. I don't see the need for a 1DS when the 5D is about.
I would invest in a good flash and diffuser assuming you don't have one
On lenses - don't take too many as weddings from my experience are about capturing moments and you don't have time to carry too many and be making changes all day. With a full frame camera a 24-70 and 70-200 will be superb. I would carry a wide angle for the church interiors and exteriors before the service.
I have a love affair with my 135 f2 . The only issue is that on my 30FD it's too long. I cannot wait to go FF and have it working as planned. I wish i had the 85 f1.2 but simply cannot justify the price. That and the 5D will sink your $5k immediately
No right answers, hope this helps
Rob
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'Nothing beats fast glass'
Jim F.
Senior Member
I'm NOT a wedding photographer, but I got roped into shooting one this last weekend. Yuk. I'd rather hide in my studio.Hope this helps. I have shot weddings this year and this kit seems to
do it well for me
30D/40D - $1200
Flash 430EX $250
17-40 - $600
24-105 - $1100
70-200F4 - $600
50 f1.4 - $300
With your set up I think you are screaming out for a 5D which will
set you back $2600. It has more than enough mpxls, works great at
high ISO and you don't need 5fps for a wedding. I don't see the need
for a 1DS when the 5D is about.
I would invest in a good flash and diffuser assuming you don't have one
On lenses - don't take too many as weddings from my experience are
about capturing moments and you don't have time to carry too many and
be making changes all day. With a full frame camera a 24-70 and
70-200 will be superb. I would carry a wide angle for the church
interiors and exteriors before the service.
I have a love affair with my 135 f2 . The only issue is that on my
30FD it's too long. I cannot wait to go FF and have it working as
planned. I wish i had the 85 f1.2 but simply cannot justify the
price. That and the 5D will sink your $5k immediately
As for using the 5d and 85 f/1.2, it's a tough combination to shoot without flash. The combination of the 5d's amateur level slow AF and FPS along with the 85's slow focusing leads to, well, let's just say that if your subjects move at all it gets more than a little rough in the result. Lot's of rejects... Again, I'm NOT a wedding photographer so others may be much better at planning ahead.
On the other hand, when your model/subject is willing to hold a pose, it's an absolutely stellar combination.
THanks so much for your imput, I do have a flash system i have the new 580 exII , as i said my main delima is still that the mark II is a camera I am borrowing from a friend so i need to purchase a back up camera, that i really want to try and hold out for the new 5D, but I also need a back up NOW! thats why i menitioned the 40D, but I think a ff camera is the way to go. I am really tempted to purchase the 50 1.2 and the 16-35 2.8 but thats over budget.... i really want to get more creative with my wedding photographer, but I also agree that there is not alot of time for len switching! So maybe i will just purchase the 5d now.. and the new 5D when it comes out.............. now im just being a gear freak!!! thanks so much for the imput!!!! i greatly appericate it!
Jim F.
Senior Member
yes, we wavered a little....
Back to the question with no sugar coated answers....
The 5d images are going to be superior to the 1D2 IMO. It's basically the same pixel density, but you have more of them and the images are cleaner. Your enlargements will thank you (note, this is a drawback to the 1D3 IMO - a lousy 10MP... no thank you )...Anyway, I'd skip the 40d. Nice camera, but it's a "cropper" and I don't like them. The IQ may be stellar though, but since it's a 1.6 it's like a P&S to me (watch me get flamed for that one and my 1D3 comment
). The 40d's advantage is the higher frame rate; the 5d is positively anemic at 3 FPS. I don't think the 5d2 will be more than 4 FPS though as the 1Ds3 is only 5 and Canon will NOT equal that.Without debating each point, I'd get the 5d if you can work with the amateur level 3 FPS. The 5d2 won't be here for at least 6 months and there are lots of shots to take between now and then. The other advantage is that once you have this 5d, it will make a wonderful FF back up to the next one, or whatever you buy.
Note: while I always thought the 5d was over priced and under featured, I think it's the best camera and bang-for-the-buck option in Canon's line up, and that's saying something....
Thank you so much for your imput!!!! i think you have talked me into the 5d, i was leaning that way, but you know its always nice to have affiirmation! THe more i thought about it the more I want a ff camera. I just need to get the purchase over with!!! so can i push my luck and ask you think of the 16-35 2.8 if i already have the 17-40. and I have the 50 1.4 but i thinks its slow on focus and just isnt a good lens, but ive heard nothing but huge raves about the 50 1.2 although it comes at a pretty price.... but hey its only money!!!!
Ps i havent been hearing good things of the mdIII... i will forsure purchase the new5d.... i wonder if i should have stayed a NIkon Shooter LOL
Ps i havent been hearing good things of the mdIII... i will forsure purchase the new5d.... i wonder if i should have stayed a NIkon Shooter
LOLmegapixeldave
Senior Member
i think in your current situation...the 5D would be a really solid choice. i have 5D, MKIIn's and MKIII. IQ on the 5D is hard to beat. IQ on the MKIII is seriously sweet but lots of $$$ and...right now AF is....???
i just traded in my 17-40mm for the 16-35mm 2.8II.my main reason was "speed" for low light shooting 2nd...just a little wider. i am really happy with the look of that lense and is pretty usable wide open. honestly i didnt use my 17-40mm as much as i could have but the 16-35 now has the edge for what i need and have found myself picking it up quite a bit.
if im correct...there are some problems with the 50mm 1.2??? i have read that a few times but didnt follow up on it since i have no real interest. i have a 50 1.4 that is pretty good with no real complaints...i dont use it much either.
i love my 85mm 1.2 but i have found that in a run and gun situation i tend to not have it on unless i have 3 or 4 bodies loaded for action. when i use it the most is when i have a more calm shooting scenario. this lense on the 5D is without question...sweet. use the search here for "Melanie Kipp" this combo is here specialty. be careful though...the look will spoil you and cost your $2,000...LOL!
with the lenses you already have and the cash you have to work with you can get yourself a pretty sweet setup for your wedding gigs.
david
http://www.davidprobst.com
Ps i havent been hearing good things of the mdIII... i will forsure
purchase the new5d.... i wonder if i should have stayed a NIkon
Shooter
jaktracy
Forum Enthusiast
Let me get this clearly... Your imgages are soft with L glass on the 30D always??? The 5D is not going to cure that!!! What speed setting and ISO are U using??? Soft images using a 30D with the 24-70 or the 70-200 there is something wrong with this picture... JT
Juli Valley
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Ust my opinion.
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jaktracy
Forum Enthusiast
Let's try this another way.. What have U used to get 16 X 20's that were up to your standard on a regular basis. I assume you have shot ... over 50 weddings and have produced lot's of there 16 X 20 prints to be unhappy with your current Canon setup?? You must have a very high end group of clients. You may be better served with a Pro Tripod, Profoto Lighting, and a great Light Meter. But a 39 MP Hassy may be your solution!! JT
i think my images are soft, but according to some of the other photographers in my area, in our guild tell me i am just to critical... however with that being said, i never use a tripod so i many consinder using a tripod for like group shots, and low light sit... i am going to play with settings a little more and go out of my safe zone and see what I produce. I am happy with my images 90% of the time, I am just a sharpness freak... thanks for the advice and suggestions!
jaktracy
Forum Enthusiast
Using a Tripod.. be sure to use a heavy tripod and head. A $89.00 outfit is not the answer. Turn off the IS on your lens. My 70-200 2.8 IS does this for me. The 24-70 there is no IS. Shoot in manual. Everything in manual. I have used 2 580's to get the flash off the camera. Preferred way. Pocket Wizzards and Profoto's with protable generator (battery operated). Outdoors simple... 3 reflectors (one transparent) on Heavy light stands STILL use the tripod. set exposure in manual.(Bracket 3 stops). Focus in manual. Write or record on tape what you are doing. Your 30D can do all of this. So can you!!! Do this on every shot at a wedding NOT. But for the formals it may help. All that said... We are upgrading to the new 1D 22mp (on order) and a 40D this year. Our current 20/30 & 5D's have served us well. The 5D is the best value camera I have owned in 30+ years of shooting. There are lot s of other ways. But this has worked for me... PS a Ciustom Bracket on that Tripod is pretty cool also. & read Julies Valley's postings. Then go spend your money.. JT
Colin46
Senior Member
the quality of the images including dynamic range out of the mk3 creams the 5d.
and the autofocus performance is on another league.
the mk3 is the perfect wedding camera.
and the autofocus performance is on another league.
the mk3 is the perfect wedding camera.
megapixeldave
Senior Member
i love the IQ of the MKIII...but creams the 5D? not to me, buy you surely are entitled to your opinion.
performance...yes, absolutley...AF...hmmm?
only is you could count on the AF to work at 100%. very chancey!
$$$ are not unlimited for the OP. he needs to get lenses as well out of his $5,000 budget. thats why i think he could get good mileage out of the 5D "now" and later the 5D could maybe become his secondary or backup.
personally i think anyone that would buy a MKIII as their sole camera for wedding is begging to be unhappy with a reasonably chance of getting one that cant focus. you have to play it safe with weddings...wouldnt you agree? ask "Billy Mokdad"?
david
http://www.davidprobst.com
Colin46
Senior Member
I use my mk3's for weddings and trust the af system 100%, the autofocus system has never let me down.
In low light, churches etc, its incredible how it tracks and shoots the bride and groom advancing towards me back down the aisle at the end of the ceremony.
And as for high iso and dynamic range, its the best.
So, with all due respect, where does the 5d better it?
I had 5D's and they are not in the same league.
prints at 20inch x 30inch look every bit as the good as the ones from the 5D (which had superb quality output)
My last wedding on the 7th Sept was 27 degrees full sun all day and the cameras never missed a beat.
the serial numbers are 501* and 521* , an early and a fairly late model camera and they performed superbly.
In low light, churches etc, its incredible how it tracks and shoots the bride and groom advancing towards me back down the aisle at the end of the ceremony.
And as for high iso and dynamic range, its the best.
So, with all due respect, where does the 5d better it?
I had 5D's and they are not in the same league.
prints at 20inch x 30inch look every bit as the good as the ones from the 5D (which had superb quality output)
My last wedding on the 7th Sept was 27 degrees full sun all day and the cameras never missed a beat.
the serial numbers are 501* and 521* , an early and a fairly late model camera and they performed superbly.
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