Troll of the month

Rather liked it myself, and Joe does tend to go off in the odd tangent from time to time

But on the main pricing issue

WGArts said:

Once again, he says
he can get the 40D AND the 10-22 Canon AND "several accessories" for
the same price as ONLY the Zuiko lens yet at B&H, the Canon stuff
would be at LEAST 35-40% more. Ozzies - why do you buy Olympus under
these circumstances?

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... the differential affects all brands (see earlier post), so totals are not as disparate as our poster imagines, particularly as there is a $200 rebate on e410 bodies here through spring. And with a bit of haggling you are only talking about a couple of hundred dollars between the two packages described. Plus one gets off 10% GST for a business purchase, as was allegedly the case.

Yes, Oly is expensive here, but so are Canon and Nikon, and everyone else, compared with B&H.

Cheers, John

hee hee!

But did u get any sleep yet?

So, I sorta get it, and yet still according to the poster, the Oly lens is the same as the 40D + lens + accessories. Has anyone verified this? Cause that would tell me Oly (or at least this lens) is marked up a lot more than Canon, esp since this Canon is brand new.

IOW, In Oz, How much is:
ZD 7-14
Canon 40D+10-20+(say $200 for accessories, cant get much for much less can u?)

Apologies if it's already been posted.

Now get the little one off to school and go baclk and take a nap. How's the weather? It's 100 degrees here on the Cal coast today and last 3 of 4 days too. Whew!

John Cozijn said:

But on the main pricing issue

WGArts said:

Once again, he says
he can get the 40D AND the 10-22 Canon AND "several accessories" for
the same price as ONLY the Zuiko lens yet at B&H, the Canon stuff
would be at LEAST 35-40% more. Ozzies - why do you buy Olympus under
these circumstances?

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... the differential affects all brands (see earlier post), so totals
are not as disparate as our poster imagines, particularly as there is
a $200 rebate on e410 bodies here through spring. And with a bit of
haggling you are only talking about a couple of hundred dollars
between the two packages described. Plus one gets off 10% GST for a
business purchase, as was allegedly the case.

Yes, Oly is expensive here, but so are Canon and Nikon, and everyone
else, compared with B&H.

Cheers, John

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Firstly to apologize, FL36 is cheaper, I though about FL50 which equals to SB800. Apart from that, Metz flashes are not available for Oly (to support TTL features, at least as we speak) and Metz 54AF is very nice flash gun as alternative to OEM...

Either way, Centre.net.au is reputable online store I have dealt with, and here are their pricing on lenses in question:

Canon EF-S 10-22 AU$1190 inc GST
Oly EZ0714 AU$ 3007 inc GST
Sigma AF 10-22 EX DC AU$701 inc GST
Sigma 12-24 EX DG AU$1210 inc GST
Tokina 12-24 AU$1031 Canon mount, 990 for Nikon
Sony 11-18 AU$1147

The last 3 are off when it comes to lenghts, but they are offerings for C/N/P mounts only. Other online and retail camera stockist would have + - 10% offset across the board, but I think this is a good indication what we in Oz are talking about. Other posters are right, insolated market with one importer dominating is a bad thing. Interestingly enough, kits are quite competetive but that's it. Second to this, "they" are strict when it comes to servicing cameras bought overseas too, so if buying there one would have to have somebody there "just in case". And service,... well, we will leave it to some other time.

I think some of you guys here have gone hard and flamed OP without getting the wider picture, considering situation on your local market and forgetting that global situation may vary like in this example.

cheers

Very intersting, but where is the Au price for the Canon 40D???

ZorSy said:

Firstly to apologize, FL36 is cheaper, I though about FL50 which
equals to SB800. Apart from that, Metz flashes are not available for
Oly (to support TTL features, at least as we speak) and Metz 54AF is
very nice flash gun as alternative to OEM...

Either way, Centre.net.au is reputable online store I have dealt
with, and here are their pricing on lenses in question:

Canon EF-S 10-22 AU$1190 inc GST
Oly EZ0714 AU$ 3007 inc GST
Sigma AF 10-22 EX DC AU$701 inc GST
Sigma 12-24 EX DG AU$1210 inc GST
Tokina 12-24 AU$1031 Canon mount, 990 for Nikon
Sony 11-18 AU$1147

The last 3 are off when it comes to lenghts, but they are offerings
for C/N/P mounts only. Other online and retail camera stockist would
have + - 10% offset across the board, but I think this is a good
indication what we in Oz are talking about. Other posters are right,
insolated market with one importer dominating is a bad thing.
Interestingly enough, kits are quite competetive but that's it.
Second to this, "they" are strict when it comes to servicing cameras
bought overseas too, so if buying there one would have to have
somebody there "just in case". And service,... well, we will leave it
to some other time.

I think some of you guys here have gone hard and flamed OP without
getting the wider picture, considering situation on your local market
and forgetting that global situation may vary like in this example.

cheers

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The best price I could find for a 40D, body only, is $1899. The 10-22mm is $1225. The 7-14mm is $2699. All Australian dollars.

That makes the Canon at $3124, $425 more expensive. You might be able to get a slight discount on the Canon if you search hard enough through some web dealers, but I can do the same with the 7-14mm.

One also needs to point out that the 10-22mm is an EF-S lens, only good for select Canon bodies.

Cheers

Ray

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AU$1795 inc GST (digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au or camera-warehouse.com.au- they have retail outlet as well). This is body only, if bundled with lens total will go lower than individual prices together (with 10-22 somewhat about AU$100 less, visit to store helps through this, cash will give you even better bargain).

cheers

Either way, a 40D and 10-22mm costs more than a 7-14mm. But then we're talking apples and oranges anyway.

Cheers

Ray
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John Cozijn said:

Other forums have such awards, why not us?

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Oh really?

WGArts said:

But did u get any sleep yet?

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Got two hours before the school rang to say my boy had failed to submit a due assignment {groan}

On pricing, you'll see others have done some digging already. But let me say I don't see that Canon package coming out at $2800 if one were expecting accessories as well, whereas the Olympus package currently garners a $200 rebate. Not that I would put a 7-14 on an e410, anyhow - rather like carrying an elephant in a pickup truck!

My personal plan is to be in New York (for work) around March next year and pick up an E-3 and a 7-14, if I can scrape the pennies together, with a worldwide warranty. Even if I had to pay for the trip myself, more than half the cost would likely be covered by the price differential in the gear.

WGArts2 said:

How's the weather? It's 100 degrees here on the Cal coast today and
last 3 of 4 days too. Whew!

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Weather's been very mild in Sydney, mid-70s in that obsolete Fahrenheit scale.

Cheers, John

Canon 40D body - $1769
Canon 10-22 - $943
Total - $2,712

Oly E-510 body - $1181
Zuiko 7-14 - $2677
Total - $3,858

Ouch.

Still, I know which I'd get, and I know which lens is better... But $1000 buys a lot of beer...

I've already tried the 7-14mm on the E410, not a problem whatsoever. And comparing the 7-14mm to the 10-22mm is not really a comparison, it's just for those who look at numbers.

Cheers

Ray

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OzRay said:

I've already tried the 7-14mm on the E410, not a problem whatsoever.

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It's just that when I have used the lens (on loan) it did strike me as very big (on my e500). And I also found it a challenge to use (flare, manipulating perspective, etc), so I know that when I do get my own next year it will take me a little while to get good results.

OzRay said:

And comparing the 7-14mm to the 10-22mm is not really a comparison,
it's just for those who look at numbers.

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Absolutely agree, and said so at some length in previous thread where our now departed poster first raised the issue. It is, as I think you said, really apples and oranges.

Cheers, John

Thanks to all Ozzies for checking prices. So apparently you can get the Canon combo for $100 or so more than the ZD lens if u look real hard. Plus 'accessories' puts it somewhat more still than the lens, but in the ballpark. 7-14/4 (14-28) is a heckuva lens for sure. 10-22, only useful on aps-size-sensor cameras and is 16-35 range. Not constant aperture, but a pretty useable range. Just thinking out loud here.

Looks like another scorcher today here. Whether it be F or C, it's hot. Stay cool down under.

John Cozijn said:

OzRay said:

I've already tried the 7-14mm on the E410, not a problem whatsoever.

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It's just that when I have used the lens (on loan) it did strike me
as very big (on my e500). And I also found it a challenge to use
(flare, manipulating perspective, etc), so I know that when I do get
my own next year it will take me a little while to get good results.

John Cozijn said:

And comparing the 7-14mm to the 10-22mm is not really a comparison,
it's just for those who look at numbers.

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Absolutely agree, and said so at some length in previous thread where
our now departed poster first raised the issue. It is, as I think you
said, really apples and oranges.

Cheers, John

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OzRay said:

Either way, a 40D and 10-22mm costs more than a 7-14mm. But then
we're talking apples and oranges anyway.

Cheers

Ray
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I must admit I was not following this thread closely, only glanced through the very last page only. Still struggling to understand the meaning of this thread.

Ok, here is EU layout on prices (with VAT included);

Canon EOS 40D body € 1107
http://geizhals.at/a273425.html

Canon EF-S 10-22mm 3.5–4.5 € 644 (if this is the same lens, and I think it is)
http://geizhals.at/eu/a116023.html

Makes € 1751 in total. Zuiko 7-14 alone is € 1590 and probably counting. I do not know how it is for others but for me a lens with a camera is always a better choice than a lens without a camera. Besides, I do not see pricing for Austria, what a surprise! Did not I say it was probably counting? I saw it just few months ago and I thought it was more expensive than the quoted price of now.
http://geizhals.at/eu/a141676.html

In either case I see 7-14+Olympus as a far more expensive combination than those offered by the competition. And for me one lens, even if it were very-very-very good one, does not make an entire system. While I would also expect by November Canon to drop 5D price in attempt to lure away potential D300 buyers, this would not concern Olympus in any way - Oly does not have anything in this class. So what could be so special about one lens?

I do not know why the above discussed poster brought up Canon 10-20 but do not forget there is also Tokina, Sigma, Tamron (not counting primes) available just in about every reputable photo-store for Canon, Nikon, Pentax, and probably even Sony. As in this list of zooms for Nikon.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-wide-zooms/comparison.htm

Personally, for my own needs and purposes, I would take any of those 3-4 lenses over 7-14. I have Tamron 12-24 for Nikon and I could not be more than happy with it. Any Nikonian will tell you the same, with loads of images to show. I have hardly seen 7-14 images demonstrating its superiority at all. Perhaps OzRay or John Cozijn can break this pattern and show us some - I would be glad to see them.

Question to OzRay; how did you compare these two lenses and which exactly points were you looking at? Did you compare them side by side, from the same spot and in your own hands, or were there any other variables involved? Just curious.

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When I said these lenses aren't exactly comparable, it's because you'd be better off comparing the 7-14mm to a Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens or maybe a Canon EF 14mm f/2.8L USM on a 5D/1Ds, both of which are in the same price, build, quality ball park. Can you imagine what the 10-22mm would cost if it was a constant f3.5, similar build quality and weatherproof?

Cheers

Ray

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