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"One of the remarks I found most interesting though, I heard offline the night before, when a Nikon exec said that they'd "breathed a huge sigh of relief" when they saw Canon's announcements of this Monday...

...They had enlargements that must have been 30x45 inches or more in size, comparing identical shots taken with the D3 and Canon EOS-1D Mark III at ISO 3,200 and 6,400."

How do we reconcile these 2 apparently contradictory pieces of news?

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thw said:
How do we reconcile these 2 apparently contradictory pieces of news?
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this is someone's joke. This is the same as "my roommate's father works for Canon and he said there's a new camera coming soon". Canon is not making sensors for nikon now.
 
dnjake said:
Mike Fried said:
Canon and Nikon worked together in the past, and they may work
together in the future. As long as customers keep buying, they will
keep selling, and the technology advancements that we paid for with
our earlier purchases will continue to fund new advancements later.
That being said, having Nikon and Canon being separate organizations
competing for our money is good for everyone.
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dnjake said:
Give me a break. There is nothing in general implausible about
complicated relationships between companies that involve both
competition and cooperation. But Canon has zero history of selling
its CMOS sensors.
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So what? Canon is a big company. Sony is also a big company. If Sony can make a buck by selling CCDs to all the competition, then Canon can do it, too. Just because it is plausible doesn't mean that it actually happens. I agree with the other posters that said that without evidence, the OP of this thread is just starting a rumor, but it's plausible.
dnjake said:
The quality of those sensors has been the center
of their competitive position for DSLR's. They would hardly start
out selling their sensors by selling a top of the line sensor to
their strongest competitor as an exclusive that enabled that
competitor to significantly stregnthen its competitive position
against Canon's flagship professional product.
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So what? If Sony's technology turns out to be nearly as good as Canon's technology then Canon has a vested interest in competing with Sony to supply all the DSLR chips in the industry to their competitors to get that market. Business is business. You either enter a market and sell product to make money, or your investors take their money elsewhere and you don't eat.

The point is someone makes the sensors in the new Nikon cameras, and it's not Nikon - they don't make sensors. They won't say who it is, but it probably won't be a secret forever. It could be Sony or Canon or FujiFilm or Kodak or some unknown company. If it was Canon, would that shatter your world? Are you a Canon investor? If you were, do you expect your stock would go up or down?

As a photographer, I don't care who makes the sensor in the D300 or the D3 or the 1D Mk III... I own none of those cameras, and don't aspire to spend the money on them. I may buy the 40D or a used 5D or a used 1D Mk II in the next 6-18 months. Comparing the per-pixel results of these cameras isn't really terribly exciting to me anymore. Apparently, a lot of misguided people here think that MegaPixels and noise is the only aspect of photography, because they can't seem to get their mind wrapped around the idea that most people print at 6"x4" or view their images on a

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Mike Fried said:
Dredman said:
I have a good friend who is an engineer for Canon USA, and he heard
that Canon and Nikon collaborated in designing the sensor for the new
Full Frame Nikon... Canon is the "silent partner" on the new sensor.
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Its not shocking, this was actually my first thought when I heard "silent partner" and I knew the companies were both Japanese.

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You're judging the quality of your post by the number of responses??????? Your post is like a turd on a highway. It may get run over thousands of times but it's still a turd at the end of the day.

Joe
Dredman said:
Wow, you must read a lot to have read all the stupid posts in the
last five years! I have read some really stupid posts just in the
last 6 months!

So stupid that it got over 25 responses in an hour... :)
Interesting... I wonder how it would fly on the Nikon forums?!?
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Didn't Microsoft bail out Apple a few years ago...I seem to recall that Apple received a much needed infusion of capital from Bill Gates and Microsoft pre 2000.

So, stranger things have happened in the past.
 
Why couldn't it be true?

It would be great to get a payout from every single camera your biggest competitor sells.

For example Canon sells lens elements to lots of companies. I'm sure they sell elements to Nikon, so why not sensors?

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Priaptor said:
We must all be on the watch. Nikon has been invaded by Canon and is
now making those evil full frame sensors, in an effort with Canon, to
take over the world.
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I think neither Nikon nor Canon are consciously carrying out any evil plan. Rather, I suppose the alien full frame sensors have hypnotized them or somehow hijacked their brains so they carry on doing what they consider as good business while the evil alien full frame sensors come closer to their goal of invading the world.

There is probably also something weird going on inside the 5D since it has that delay during sensor cleaning. Maybe the 5D was the platform chosen to spread those alien full frame sensors. Now they have added more advanced integrated sensor cleaning to the newer models, and since people have seen that the sensor cleaning isn't really very effective, I think it's really a cover-up for something else that's happening. Maybe the sensors are communicating with each other and coordinating their coming attack while they are in "cleaning mode".

Anyway, I now maintain a very detailed record of every hot pixel and statistics of any changes of colour that I see in them. So far only one has changed colour at a time, and very rarely, so I don't think our planet is in danger just yet!

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These "I have a good friend at ... who told me" posts are always entertaining to read on the internet.

the lengths some people will go to...
 
The good thing about this particular highway is that you only have to witness 149 hit-and-runs on the smelly item, then it goes quietly down the drain. :-)
Joe Marques said:
Joe
Dredman said:
Wow, you must read a lot to have read all the stupid posts in the
last five years! I have read some really stupid posts just in the
last 6 months!

So stupid that it got over 25 responses in an hour... :)
Interesting... I wonder how it would fly on the Nikon forums?!?
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I'm not defending the validity of the OP's opening statement, but as unbelievable as some people may find it, it is not impossible.

There are not only precedences in other industries, but within the digital camera industry as well, of competing companies using each other's tech.

An example that I have recently read about is motorcyle company, Bimota. They specialize in building chasses around third-party engines from companies like Suzuki, Yamaha, and Ducati. Furthermore, they race against those very same companies whose engines they use. For a short while, Bimota actually tried making their own engines, but couldn't compete on performance, so they went back to concentrating on their strengths, and outsourcing their engines.

More relevant to Nikon and Canon, as others have already posted, is that both Nikon and Canon use Sony sensors in their consumer digicams, with Nikon also using them for their DSLRs. So why do people find it impossible for Nikon to license Canon technology, citing direct competition as a reason, when Nikon already do the same with Sony, who are also in direct competition with Nikon in both consumer digicams and DSLRs? Money is money, and if both Nikon and Canon both calculated a deal to be good for themselves, then they would do it.

All that said, once again, I don't have an opinion about whether or not the OP's statement is true, but it's not impossible.
 
Dredman said:
I have a good friend who is an engineer for Canon USA, and he heard
that Canon and Nikon collaborated in designing the sensor for the new
Full Frame Nikon... Canon is the "silent partner" on the new sensor.

I could hardly believe it at first, but it makes sense if you think
about it... If you are the only one to ever adopt a technology, then
there is always a lingering thought that maybe it isn't the best way
to go (think Sigma and Fovian). Canon needed another company to go
FF to legitimize their leadership and show how forward thinking they
have been.

The benefits to Nikon are obvious (great new camera, a jump-start
into new technology with FF and cmos) but the benefits to Canon are
real too... I mean, this shows that they have been ahead of the
game for years , and they get in on the details of the latest and
greatest Nikon...

Without competition, a market languishes... That is part of why
Canon needs Nikon to be in the game, just like Microsoft needs
Apple to be competitive in an interesting way. (not to competative,
mind you)

It is a gamble for both companies, but I bet it pays off for both of
them too!
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Errr... why would Canon provide superior technology to Nikon before incorporating it in their own products first? That was a consern for Nikon when Sony moved into the digital SLR market with the purchase of Minolta - Sony supply Nikon with sensors, so would release their own cameras with any new sensor befor they provided Nikon with it. Unless of course Canon were feeling suicidal...
 
Who cares who makes the sensors...? the end result is what matters -- the sensor is only part of the equation; there's the processor itself on camera as well as software conversion that also figures in... Granted a big sensor with bigger photosites and fewer MP's will have an inherent noise advantage, but...

this is stupid.

nobody cares.

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