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Well, after all the torrid speculation there it is in print (Nikon (Flagship) D3 and (Advanced Amateur) D300.

Expect SONY® to be up with them in thew days to come, even if the (Flagship) is not available to float your boat till next year.

Be interesting to get the "nay-sayers" take on this, huh guys!

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Nope (at least I don't think so). More likely is that the high resolution (i.e., high megapixel) Nikon FF digital body expected next year will point to the Alpha XX. I would not expect Sony to have their flagship be a 12 MP FF sensor, as in the D3, when that's the same "resolution" likely in the AA camera, even if the FF sensor means better noise control.

But who knows. We have no idea what Sony's answer to the D300 will be, and it appears to be a mighty impressive camera, much more so than the Canon 40D (though it is $500 more than the 40D). With Nikon's new VR long lenses I see myself going in the Nikon direction absent some good news from Sony.

Too bad the new Nikons won't be availble until November, which is when I'll be in Africa. I really would like to have my new cameras or system in place for that trip. Oh well. :-)

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I think that they have been very wise to keep the sensor at 12MP for FF. It would have been tempting to go higher but then the spectre of noise would have reared its ugly head again & Sony & others have had their fingers burnt over high ISO noise.

Higher MP FF sensors can come later & are an obvious upgrade path for the foreseeable future when image processing & sensor technology will have improved even more. If Sony hold back on the FF camera for now & concentrate on the high amateur then they always have an option of using a more densely packed sensor next year. We are entering a new phase of DSLR development which is going to be very exciting.

Keith-C
 
Mark VB said:
Nope (at least I don't think so). More likely is that the high
resolution (i.e., high megapixel) Nikon FF digital body expected next
year will point to the Alpha XX. I would not expect Sony to have
their flagship be a 12 MP FF sensor, as in the D3, when that's the
same "resolution" likely in the AA camera, even if the FF sensor
means better noise control.
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I still think Sony is going after megapixels. I still think the Flagship will be a 1.1x so SSS will work.

Nikon definately just raised the bar and esentially close a gen and a half gap in one fell swoop.

Godd for everybody, even Canon users. Canon has to get off their ars now.

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No. I think D3 mostly aim on 1Ds Mark III for the sport photography market, esp. Olympic Games next year.

Alpha XX will be high resolution, common purpose DSLR.
 
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Grand sweeping acronym for those professing doom, gloom, and supporating darkness.

Not written to offend, but there are a number of people around who seem hell bent on telling SONY® What, How and When they expect to have something done. As if they have some expectation of an immediate (in terms of production development and delivery in to the market) response.

Minolta's dedicated Engineers gave us a superb legacy; amazing foresight and technological innovation, not to mention great connection with the artistic zen of photography. Sadly Honeywell's action took apart their food basket.

SONY are doing very much what we have observed them do with Broadcast TV product over the past 35 years. Study the need. Deliver an answer that exceeds expectation. Don't rush to be first. Just be patient, and be the best!

I'm more than happy to wait a while before moving up from the 7D, but when I do, it will be SONY!

Happy shooting. After all, it's what we do...

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Sonnarman
 
Stick your tongue out - I suspect that it's covered in boot polish ! That could explain your choice of words. Those who expect something more from Sony are not being unrealistic in their expectations. If you look at Nikon, for instance, they have been very active lately & its not unrealistic to expect the same from Sony.

Sony need to decide on whether they should be taken as a serious DSLR manufacturer with an interest in promoting quality photography or just a box pusher who values short term profit more than a deserved high reputation. I have a very clear view as to which option they should choose.

There are now signs that Sony has finally got their act together & that the wait will have been worth it - I am optimistic.

Keith-C
 
Mark VB said:
Too bad the new Nikons won't be availble until November, which is
when I'll be in Africa. I really would like to have my new cameras
or system in place for that trip. Oh well. :-)
Mark Van Bergh
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Belive me - it will not be available until Xmas and may be even Feb. D200 was on "waiting lists" for months since official shipment dates. That was Nikons "production-planning realities" so far. You have to order it today to have chance for December...
 
Unless Sony has a technological break-through up their sleeve it is unlikely the new Sony models will be better than the D3/D300 though they should be able to equal them. So little prospect of Sony capturing market share from C&N with the new models. They might pick up a little market share if they can out-manufacture Nikon and capture some of the first-time DSLR can't wait market. However, I still think that the only chance of Sony getting significant market share is to produce a superb well-priced entry-level DSLR and rely on upgrading to build market share in the other categories.

But then, Sony might still surprise us.....
 
The D3 has an "exclusive" sensor design, which I believe is a Sony sensor but with some input from Nikon.

I think that the Sony Alpha-1 will have more megapixels, less extreme high ISO ability, and a slower maximum frame rate.

The Alpha-1 will be designed to compete with the Canon 1Ds, whereas the Nikon D3 is designed to compete with the Canon 1D.
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Two Truths said:
The D3 has an "exclusive" sensor design, which I believe is a Sony
sensor but with some input from Nikon.
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The D3's sensor is an in-house Nikon sensor, not a Sony.
Two Truths said:
I think that the Sony Alpha-1 will have more megapixels, less extreme
high ISO ability, and a slower maximum frame rate.
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I agree.
Two Truths said:
The Alpha-1 will be designed to compete with the Canon 1Ds, whereas
the Nikon D3 is designed to compete with the Canon 1D.
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Right about the D3, but I think that flagship will be aimed at the Canon 5D replacement, not the 1Ds. It may have the pixel count, but not the build, depth of control or the professionally oriented features that the 1Ds has.

chad

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Sony is probably trying to figure out how to get their "sensor shake" IS methodology to work well on a FF sensor in the same size mount. It will be interesting to see how they solve that problem AND if it works well.

I think the Nikon announcements have legitimized the FF technology in that the cost now will start to come down and in order to be considered a Pro vendor you will have to have a FF solution. I wonder if Sony has saddled up the wrong horse again (as they have done so many times in the past).
 
CM PHoto said:
Two Truths said:
The D3 has an "exclusive" sensor design, which I believe is a Sony
sensor but with some input from Nikon.
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The D3's sensor is an in-house Nikon sensor, not a Sony.
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Is it manufactured by Nikon or just designed by Nikon? If Nikon doesn't make it do you know who does?

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fjbyrne
 
These two cameras from Nikon are going to be a very tough act to follow. How much more bells and whisltles can you put on a camera other than Steady shot.

I am hoping to upgrade my A100 to the AA, but wow, it is going to have to have pretty much the same specs for a lot less money for Sony to make up ground on the D300. Nikon sure took the thunder from the Canon 40D in a hurry.

Don
 
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