Implications of new Sony CMOS sensor

You don't just throw that sensor into any body as you'll have to have an AF Motor and shutter built to support it so I would bet that Pentax won't be producing a body with that sensor for at least a year.
New Sony CMOS sensor is described to be capable of 10fps and also
available for external companies. Does this mean Pentax can use this
new CMOS sensor and release 10fps camera to take on C* ?
Just guessing :-)


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You don't just throw that sensor into any body as you'll have to have
an AF Motor and shutter built to support it so I would bet that
Pentax won't be producing a body with that sensor for at least a year.
Of course, you are assuming that nobody has hand on any samples to work on designs.
 
agreed, which is why everyone here needs to stop speculatiing and not get their hopes up for a new Pentax above the K10D any time soon- will be at least spring of 08 before Pentax has anything better than the K10D, and presumably it will be based on this sensor.

Frank
 
agreed, which is why everyone here needs to stop speculatiing and not
get their hopes up for a new Pentax above the K10D any time soon-
will be at least spring of 08 before Pentax has anything better than
the K10D, and presumably it will be based on this sensor.

Frank
I do not know about the others, atleast, I am not at all crazy about fps and 12mp, nor am I expecting it come any soon. This new, seems to indiacte that almost any camera maker has the potential to make bodies that support higher fps.

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Oh-- well, yes and no. The data throughput of this sensor at full speed would be faster than any other dSLR in existence, including Canon's new-as-of-yesterday 1DsmkIII. In order to use this sensor, the camera manufacturer will have to develop an image processing pipeline that can handle that kind of data throughput. Since no one else has done this in a dSLR yet, I'd say its probably at least reasonable challenging. The new Canon's are at 48 MB/s, so this sensor would be at 60 MB/s. This is beyond the read/write speeds of UDMA, which is the fastest memory card speed out there. That said, portable memory read/write speeds still seem to be in a state of exponential improvement, so by next year, or even later this year, I would expect Sony to have been able to accomplish this. But other camera companies (Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, etc.) may not have the resources to develop this in the same timeframe as Sony. Just add 6-18 months and others will have it though.

Frank
 
I'm happy with the K10 and its 10mp sensor ...

I want .........................

1) an external (on the outside of the camera's body) ISO knob or switch so I can glance at a fixed knob and know (and quickly turn it to change the ISO...) the ISO...

2) some fast 135mm, 200mm, 300mm, and 400mm fixed focal length telephoto lenses... (We look kinda silly by not having these lenses!)

3) FA lens availability ------ forever...

4) a focus assist mini-headlight (like on the Nikon D80)... IR focus assist on an external flash ain't good enough! Fix it! Sucks!

5) the phasing out of that stupid P-TTL "double flash" system. It stinks --- and is downright embarassing... Zillions of great expressions .... sadly lost forever!

6) the removal of that silly onboard flash beak! The K10 doesn't need that stupid, weak flash --- or the bird's beak profile it presents! U-g-l-y-!

---- Look at the Canon 5D's beautiful, beakless profile --- I love the looks of that beautiful stealth-looking camera! Awesome! A true work of art (let's face it!)...

7) better low-light performance (at least as good as it's little brother --- the K100...!

8) eventually (three or four years from now) a full-frame (5D) sensor --- at a reasonable price.

This is what I (and 1000s of fellow Pentaxians) would love to see!

Pentax forever!

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Oh-- well, yes and no. The data throughput of this sensor at full
speed would be faster than any other dSLR in existence, including
Canon's new-as-of-yesterday 1DsmkIII. In order to use this sensor,
the camera manufacturer will have to develop an image processing
pipeline that can handle that kind of data throughput. Since no one
else has done this in a dSLR yet, I'd say its probably at least
reasonable challenging. The new Canon's are at 48 MB/s, so this
sensor would be at 60 MB/s. This is beyond the read/write speeds of
UDMA, which is the fastest memory card speed out there. That said,
portable memory read/write speeds still seem to be in a state of
exponential improvement, so by next year, or even later this year, I
would expect Sony to have been able to accomplish this. But other
camera companies (Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, etc.) may not have the
resources to develop this in the same timeframe as Sony. Just add
6-18 months and others will have it though.


Frank
Thanks for the information about data bus.

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You don't just throw that sensor into any body as you'll have to have
an AF Motor and shutter built to support it so I would bet that
Pentax won't be producing a body with that sensor for at least a year.
Sensor speed is only one factor any camera maker looks at. If this thing can do low-light and/or high ISO with less noise than current sensors, Pentax and the others will want to use it regardless of whether they've managed to get their bodies up to 10fps capability.
 
I do not know about the others, atleast, I am not at all crazy about
fps and 12mp, nor am I expecting it come any soon.
I'm with you. All I want is better dynamic range and elimination of vertical pattern noise (VPN).

Rob
 
Pentax would jump on the D2x sensor for less money before they would jump on this.
You don't just throw that sensor into any body as you'll have to have
an AF Motor and shutter built to support it so I would bet that
Pentax won't be producing a body with that sensor for at least a year.
Sensor speed is only one factor any camera maker looks at. If this
thing can do low-light and/or high ISO with less noise than current
sensors, Pentax and the others will want to use it regardless of
whether they've managed to get their bodies up to 10fps capability.
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Your right, it's not overnight.

But, Sony has been making these since Spring from a previous press release. Plus Pentax and Nikon would have known about them long before they were in production.

As was pointed out in a Nikon forum. Sony announces sensors like this usually the same week someone puts it in a Camera. Nikon has announcement(s) this week, so expect it in a camera. Pentax was to have a press conference but apparently it has been now canceled, so maybe a bit more waiting for the Pentax body with it.

With this press release, word is officially out, and less important folks like the industrial market are now aware of it. That and now Canon can be worried in a more official way.
 
The D2x sensor is old tech. 2004 is when the D2x came to be so that means that it is a noise old sensor that is 3 years old, Pentax would more likely use the new sensor that is in the 1DS Mk III then the sensor from the D2x.

This sensor in all likely hood is quieter then the D2x sensor, and has more up to date processing, as it is a CMOS most of that is done on chip, a chip like this regardless of whether or not the put it in a 10fps or 5fps body would still perform rather well in terms of image processing speed.
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The use of the word c*n*n in a thread will mean that it will come up in a search for the word c*n*n, even though this thread has almost no relevance to canon, that is why most of us use C*n*n or something similar it makes it easier on the search function.
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No, the D2X sensor is old and obsolete. Sony has this sensor available, and clearly it will be superior to the D2X sensor (otherwise this new sensor wouldn't exist).

The D2X sensor is at it's end.
 
I find this habit plain silly. Whoever wants to search for the word Canon in the Pentax DSLR forum or getting hits returned from there would add enough additional keywords to make the search unique. They would get enough irrelevant hits even in the canon forum already unless they are interested in everything that is canon. Then, surely, when mentioned in passing would also qualify as everything... this search aid argument is very weak.

I think it is childish to handle Canon or Nikon as swear words. When I see it I feel always that the poster harbours minority complexes of being a pentaxian.

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