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Things are heating up alright. I don't envy Canon. I get the distinct feeling they are going to find things a lot tougher now.

The D200 already now outsells its counterpart, the Canon 5D. The D2x outsells the 1Ds. And according to Thom Hogan - "in Japan in the first half of 2007, where the D40/D40x/D80 trio has reversed the Canon and Nikon market shares and forced Canon to start using rebates to move low end models."

So if anyone wants me to qualify my thread title, there you go. Canon have lost severe ground so it looks like rebate city limits for the big C. But even amongst this Canon trouncing from the dark side, we have even yet to see the new ones from Nikon. Friends, we are seeing a shift and my bet is its only just beginning.

I would have loved to see the look on the Canon PR machine when on the day they announced their 10MP EOS 40D they had to deal with something that is clearly looking to be a vastly superior beast from Sony. 12.5 MP with a unique circuit structure delivering enhanced quality images generated by something the release is calling "IMX021". Very interesting indeed.

And geez, what about that 10fps! for the new Sony. What's the frame rate of the new Canon 40D? 10fps?? I think not.

How does this bode for the new Nikons around the corner? What an exciting time to be looking at all this stuff and being a Nikon glass owner.

Cheers

Papa Tango
 
Ever go to A professional sporting event? I say "A" professional sporting event because I don't care if it's golf, tennis, swimming, baseball, football, basketball, underwater basket weaving, etc...

Try looking for a Nikon or any other DSLR in the sea of grey canon lenses. You might spot one for every 50 Canons.

But I'd guess for sure that every professional Canon user is going to dump their equipment as soon as Nikon makes their announcement. Indeed I'm sure Canon is quivering in their boots.

Bottom line is that there is a huge market out there for Canon, Nikon and other manufacturers. Each has found where their strengths lie and have succeeded in those respective markets. It's a good thing that the two leaders in the industry are pushing each other to retain their share of each market. I hope Canon continues to put out great body and lenses one after another as it will require Nikon to follow suit if they wish to stay in the mix.

And in a few years (as my camera is only 4 years old and going strong) I might consider getting a second body and helping sustain the DSLR upgrade madness that's driving these roll outs similar to a shark sprouting new teeth.
 
Derbez said:
Each has found where their strengths lie and have succeeded in those respective markets.
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Yes. Nikon's strengths are in photography and canon's are in photocopiers.

:) j/k - you leave one out over the plate like that and you know it will end up out of the park!

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that whole thread was deleted. I was just starting to read it when it disappeared. Good thing as it was clearly just trolling.
 
PapaTango said:
Things are heating up alright. I don't envy Canon. I get the distinct
feeling they are going to find things a lot tougher now.

The D200 already now outsells its counterpart, the Canon 5D. The D2x
outsells the 1Ds. And according to Thom Hogan - "in Japan in the
first half of 2007, where the D40/D40x/D80 trio has reversed the
Canon and Nikon market shares and forced Canon to start using rebates
to move low end models."
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I wouldn't consider the 5D to be the counterpart to the D200. The 5D was originally priced at 3,299 and the D200 at 1,699. At almost half the price, of course the D200 outsold the 5D.

Of course you could consider the 5D to be up against the D2x instead when it comes to resolution.
PapaTango said:
So if anyone wants me to qualify my thread title, there you go. Canon
have lost severe ground so it looks like rebate city limits for the
big C. But even amongst this Canon trouncing from the dark side, we
have even yet to see the new ones from Nikon. Friends, we are seeing
a shift and my bet is its only just beginning.

I would have loved to see the look on the Canon PR machine when on
the day they announced their 10MP EOS 40D they had to deal with
something that is clearly looking to be a vastly superior beast from
Sony. 12.5 MP with a unique circuit structure delivering enhanced
quality images generated by something the release is calling
"IMX021". Very interesting indeed.
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No doubt they knew about it long ago. Having a sensor is one thing. Building a body with shutter, mirror, buffers and image-processing engine to handle it is another. How expensive is the camera going to have to be to do that? It looks more like a sensor for the D2x replacement than anything.

Also have you seen the price of the sensor samples? Obviously in quantities of 1,000 or 10,000 it will be much, much cheaper but we can generally multiply parts costs by at least three and sometimes by five to see what the final cost to the consumer will be.

In fact from reading Thom’s page it could be that the D2h line is history and will be replaced by an upgraded D200 and an upgraded D2x with a higher resolution camera to come next year.
PapaTango said:
And geez, what about that 10fps! for the new Sony. What's the frame
rate of the new Canon 40D? 10fps?? I think not.
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Please see above.
PapaTango said:
How does this bode for the new Nikons around the corner? What an
exciting time to be looking at all this stuff and being a Nikon glass
owner.
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Looks good.
PapaTango said:
Cheers

Papa Tango
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PapaTango said:
Things are heating up alright. I don't envy Canon. I get the distinct
feeling they are going to find things a lot tougher now.
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Competition is good for everyone. Let's hope that Nikon delivers a decent camera this time instead of a noisy smudge machine because of Sony's cr@p sensors.

P.S. you have a very distorted view of Sony. I don't know where you got your "perspective", but I'd look for a new one. Sony screws up everything it touches; examples are legion. Canon is not overly worried yet, but a little fear would make the market better for us all.
 
Jim F. said:
Let's hope that Nikon delivers a
decent camera this time instead of a noisy smudge machine because of
Sony's cr@p sensors.
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I knew it, you are coming here to help Nikon improve. very kind of you. let's raise some money to help you in your struggle. I can also donate you some FD lenses.

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Julia Borg said:
Julia Borg said:
Let's hope that Nikon delivers a
decent camera this time instead of a noisy smudge machine because of
Sony's cr@p sensors.
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I knew it, you are coming here to help Nikon improve. very kind of
you. let's raise some money to help you in your struggle. I can also
donate you some FD lenses.
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Well that's what I'm all about and your offer is also very kind of you. Please send an old 85 f/1.2L and a 600mm. :) Since I no longer have an FD mount, I'll buy an another and shoot it along side my 1VHS as I do now...

All kidding aside, Sony is absolutely the weak link here and always has been IMO....
 
Julia Borg said:
Julia Borg said:
Let's hope that Nikon delivers a
decent camera this time instead of a noisy smudge machine because of
Sony's cr@p sensors.
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I knew it, you are coming here to help Nikon improve. very kind of
you. let's raise some money to help you in your struggle. I can also
donate you some FD lenses.

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Julia
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Anything to do with Canon or full frame and you are in like a rocket. Are you a Canon employee or something?
 
PapaTango said:
PapaTango said:
PapaTango said:
Sony. 12.5 MP with a unique circuit structure delivering enhanced quality images generated by something the release is calling "IMX021".
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What we don't know yet is how the noise and dynamic range of this new Sony sensor compares with the Canon sensor. That is the big question. It is encouraging that Sony trumpets that it is low noise but that doesn't make it so. Let's wait till someone else claims it is lower noise than Canon (I have my fingers crossed)
PapaTango said:
PapaTango said:
PapaTango said:
what about that 10fps! for the new Sony
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Wait. don't confuse the sensor frame rate with the camera rate. Just because a sensor can go at 10fps doesn't mean that the camera you put it into (with all of the mirror and mechanical motions) can handle 10fps. My guess, 5 or 6fps when the dust settles.

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The Sony sensor whould work well for Nikon as it can put it into a pro body D3h for high speed 10fps and also into a semi-pro D300 at 6-8 fps. New Af in the D3 and drop CAM2000 into the D300 and you've got two killer cameras. Plenty of resolution for either camera and Nikon gets to take advantage of economies of scale in terms of cost.

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Yup, Shooting raw (18mb NEF) @10fps.

But, the point I want to make is that 16 months ago, Sony said they want to be #2. Everybody assumed they were talking about knocking Nikon off that spot.

Maybe it wasn't Nikon they were targetting.

I think Canon has a problem, especially if the D3H is FF LBCast, and the Sony Advanced Ameture is 10fps.

chad

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actually, the D200's counterpart is moreso the 30D...the 5D is somewhat of a niche camera. same deal with the 1Ds...a closer counterpart to the D2X and D2H is the 1D-series. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you already knew this.

but, yes, the volume sellers are at the low-end where nikon has three models—the D80, D40x, and D40—to canon's lone digital rebel.

as for the sony sensor, keep in mind that frames per second has as much to do with the mirror assembly and the processor(s) as the sensor. so, while the sensor may be able to output at that rate, the other parts of the camera also have to be up to snuff to actually hit that quoted figure.
 
Jeff Folkins said:
Wait. don't confuse the sensor frame rate with the camera rate.
Just because a sensor can go at 10fps doesn't mean that the camera
you put it into (with all of the mirror and mechanical motions) can
handle 10fps. My guess, 5 or 6fps when the dust settles.
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You're right but, Sony made the claim. If they do not put it in one of their cameras, people will ask "why."

I really need to NOT have a camera that does 10fps. 5 is enough for me.

chad

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