forum grammar

I certainly should not be one to talk, but I'm going to any way.
Anyway is one word.
Why is it that so many people don't know the difference between then
and than. or their and there? or chose and choose?

I know there are quite a few people who's native language is not
English and I excuse them right away. I'm talking specifically
people who speak English natively and should know better.

How can one seriously consider the comments from a poster who writes,
"Nikon is better then Canon"
Because we don't care how one spells; we care about one's insights, knowledge, and questions. That is why a good math teacher doesn't give lower grades for incorrect grammar or spelling; it has nothing to do with the mastery of the subject at hand.
Won't someone please scratch my eyeballs out?

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Brian
 
Please take my last post as being nothing more than my being a smart-*$$. I'm afraid I spent too much time talking to my brother on the phone this morning and this is the typical banter he and I have, so it kind of carried over.
 
Since when is it snobby and elitist to spell correctly and use proper
grammar
Where do I state that it's snobby and elitist to spell correctly and
use proper grammar?
Where you said, "this kind of snobby elitist attitude really bothers
me".

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You do know you're misstating what I wrote, do you not?

No where in my post do I say that it's snobby and elitist to spell
correctly and use proper grammar. The statement you point to doesn't
indicate I said that either. Kindly go back and read through my post
once more. You're not understanding what I said.
I'm not misstating what you wrote at all. I'm quoting it exactly. You stated that complaining about poor spelling and grammar in forum posts shows a "snobby elitist attitude". You also said a woman who works in a school and criticized another poster for the same thing "made herself out to look like a small, mean-spirited person". These are not taken out of context and they mean exactly what they say. By implication, you're saying that anyone who complains about incorrect spelling and grammar is snobby, elitist, and mean-spirited. You might want to read your own posts.

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Because we don't care how one spells; we care about one's insights,
knowledge, and questions. That is why a good math teacher doesn't
give lower grades for incorrect grammar or spelling; it has nothing
to do with the mastery of the subject at hand.
Presentation has everything to do with insights, knowledge, and questions and everything to do with mastery of the subject at hand. Those insights won't be taken seriously or, in many cases, even understood correctly if they're poorly presented.

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Since when is it snobby and elitist to spell correctly and use proper
grammar
Where do I state that it's snobby and elitist to spell correctly and
use proper grammar?
Where you said, "this kind of snobby elitist attitude really bothers
me".

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http://www.pbase.com/tmalcom/
You do know you're misstating what I wrote, do you not?

No where in my post do I say that it's snobby and elitist to spell
correctly and use proper grammar. The statement you point to doesn't
indicate I said that either. Kindly go back and read through my post
once more. You're not understanding what I said.
I'm not misstating what you wrote at all. I'm quoting it exactly. You
stated that complaining about poor spelling and grammar in forum
posts shows a "snobby elitist attitude". You also said a woman who
works in a school and criticized another poster for the same thing
"made herself out to look like a small, mean-spirited person". These
are not taken out of context and they mean exactly what they say. By
implication, you're saying that anyone who complains about incorrect
spelling and grammar is snobby, elitist, and mean-spirited. You might
want to read your own posts.

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http://www.pbase.com/tmalcom/
NOW you're properly quoting me! Yes, I do believe it shows a snobby and elitist attitude when people complain about others not having proper grammar skills. As you can see by the replies, even the original poster is guilty of improper grammar, so these minor infractions should be forgiven. To be so critical of others not only seems snobby and elitist in my eyes, but often comes back to bite one on the butt, as we've seen here.

As for why I feel this way, I've already given my reasons. Lucky for us that we were from environments that put a high premium on education and we were able to learn such things. That's not the case with everyone, so the kinder thing is to give them a break. When I was taught grammar I was also taught etiquette and compassion. I don't think one trumps the other two.

This isn't what your initial question was, however. You initially asked me, "Since when is it snobby and elitist to spell correctly and use proper grammar?" I never said it was, I merely said that criticizing others for not having proper grammar skills is snobby and elitist. There's a difference.
 
I've got ieSpell as a plugin for IE7. It underlines "colour" (implying that it is misspelled) whilst "whilst" is left alone! Hmmmm.
  • Jay
 
Most of these grammar errors are typical non-native english speaker errors. Most native english speakers are intelligent enough to understand the meaning. Some are even nice enough to those who are making the effort to communicate in english to provide help in this area.
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'While not exactly disgruntled, he was far from feeling gruntled. He spoke with a certain

what-is-it in his voice, and I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from
being gruntled.'
~ Pelham Grenville Wodehouse (1881-1975)
 
a) English grammar is like a : Simple to grab but difficult to
master. Spelling is kinda gay, too.
b) Spelling skills peak when one is about 14 y.o.
c) Spell checkers are awfully dear

;O)

regards
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a) No it's not, I can spell and I'm hetero.

b) Maybe, but there's no reason why your spelling skills should go downhill after that.

c) No they're not, download the free Google toolbar and you get a spell checker with it.
 
This ieSpell thingy does NOT use proper english, hence the underlining of the word 'colour' which, by the primitives in San Diego, is spelled 'color'.

Seen from Europe, it does not seem that many people in the US paid attention while they were in school.

It takes a real optimist to talk about anglo-saxon 'culture' . . .
 
How can one seriously consider the comments from a poster who writes,
"Nikon is better then Canon"
... then it is easy.

At least it is if your concern is the use of "then" when "than" is correct. The real problem is the gross overgeneralization.

Someone can have poor grammar skills and still be brilliant. Likewise, someone can understand grammar well and miss the obvious. I think your post demonstrates this latter point.

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
 
That is why a good math teacher doesn't
give lower grades for incorrect grammar or spelling; it has nothing
to do with the mastery of the subject at hand.
That is really a silly remark coming from a period of thinking in which getting your meaning across was the most important thing. This has lead to a generation of pupils/adults that have become functional illeterates and less successful on the labour market.
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teph
 
as in knowing the difference between "any way" and "anyway"?
There is this beautiful irony that often appears when people complain about grammar or spelling. Even in a very short post, the complainer quite often manages to make the same kind of mistake that they are complaining about.

Ya gotta love it!

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
 
And let's not forget the correct usage of "whose", the possessive,
and "who's", the contraction of "who is". I'd make some comment about
people who live in glass houses, but that would be too obvious. :-)
So far, in that short post, whe have the "whose" and the "anyway" errors. But we'd be remiss if we didn't point out the poor punctuation also.

How could we possibly take this guy seriously? ;)

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
 
yes. Too bad the literate skills of so many are not up to "our" standards. It is possible that these inconsiderate nincompoops are actually wanting to know the answer to something and we are too busy pixel peeping their grammar to give it to them.
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Russ

 
I think the link below may give you an example of a message garbled
beyond recognition , or very nearly beyond recognition.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1018&thread=23796808
This is a good example of garbled speech.

NB. My rule of thumb is very simple. Can I understand the speaker if I heard him/her instead of read him/her?

If I apply that rule of thumb to the post you link to, could I have understood it if I was there in person? :)

Dave
 

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