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--The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.netPhotography -- just another word for compromiseDoug, I would like to thank you for your posts. It is easy to sit
here and read posts from pros that complain about amatures which
makes them sound arrogant. It is also easy to start thinking that
most photographers are like that. Posts like your posts remind me
that photographers in general love their work and are happy to
share their interest in photography with those that are also
interested in it. Your posts are polite and show consideration
towards other photographers even if they are not pros.
What should peeve you about that? Do you think that you have someBeing a sports photographer, I don't have the same worries as
someone who is doing a team portrait. Even if someone is beside me
with a point and shoot, they still will not get the same action
photos that I can get. Mine will be tighter, sharper and
better-timed than another other photographers', save another
professional sports photographer. (wow that sounded arrogant of
me!)
I do run into problems however when parents who are not
professional photographers, but have money to boot, bring in
professional cameras and glass. They take photos of the game and
give them to the team for free as giveaways. Even though mine are
better, what team can pass up free? It really peeves me when
parents do this.
kind of exclusive right to capture high quality shots? Just
because you sell your prints does that mean that everyone else
should? If you feel that you can not compete with these parents
then you should find some other field in photography or some other
way to make a living. If this is what you do for part of your
living, I say part because not all of your shots are from little
league, then this is not only going to happen but it will happen
more often as digital cameras and printers get better and cheaper.
I'm sorry but if an amature shooting pictures will take food offWhenever I go to a friends wedding, I don't bring my professional
equipment with me. Its not fair to the wedding photographer for me
to snap pictures of scenes he set up. That's his niche, its what
he's good at, he is better than me at it, and that's what puts food
on his family's table. Its his "turf" and I don't want to violate
it.
his table then maybe he chose the wrong line of work. The wedding
photographer gets a fee for shooting and then makes his profit from
the prints, correct? If his prints are of high enough quality then
he should have no problem making a profit. Too not bring your
equipment because it might step on someone's toes is, in my
opinion, foolish. Why spend all that money and not use it just
because someone else will be there getting paid to shoot.
What you do is your choice, but to imply that others should curtail
the use of their equipment just because there is a professional
photographer there getting paid is simply absurd.
I do run into problems however when parents who are not
professional photographers, but have money to boot, bring in
professional cameras and glass. They take photos of the game and
give them to the team for free as giveaways. Even though mine are
better, what team can pass up free? It really peeves me when
parents do this.
Paul she was with the photo company. She made it clear it was a
photo company policy. The actual photographers were great. Very
friendly. That is exactly what i ordered a few wallets, 5x7
individual, team photo, and trading cards. It was a higher package
than most purchased and I still have my own photo that i took.
--www.saeculis.comI took photos at the wedding of my sister in-law and theLet me ask you this. Were you taking pictures of the team as a
group, set up by the photographer(s)? Were you shooting over their
shoulders? Wait until they were done, then shoot? Or were you
just taking candid shots. What specifically was the lady taking
pictures of? Think of it this way. You are shooting formals at a
wedding, everything is set up, you pose the wedding party, and
Uncle Joe starts taking pictures of the group. Don't you think
this would cut into your print sales? Heck, the bride may as well
get the prints from Uncle Joe for free rather than pay you for the
"same" shots. Not to mention his flash is firing off your slaved
lights making you miss shots and/or you have to wait for it to
recycle.
Put yourself in their shoes. If all you were doing is candid snap
shots, then perhaps they were intimidated by your 1D. School and
sports photography can get very competitive. Look at the senior
market/yearbook/school photographers.
I don't know the whole story, so I can just speculate.
photographer didn't say one word. I took shots of his formals and
candids at the reception. He was totally fine with it. As a
matter of fact, her favorite is one that I took. The photographer
got paid and Beth had more pictures to choose from.
If they were sooooo concerned about loosing sales because people
were taking their own photos then they should not have done it on
public property. Anyone on public property can legally take a
picture of anything they want even if they are taking a picture of
something or someone on private property. The photographer, no
matter what the league agreement is, was wrong when they tried to
stop photo taking.
Sorry you got saddled with a bad apple.
I think that you'll find most photgs at this sort of event will be
pretty helpful. I can't believe someone in charge would try to lay
that sort of bs on you, but go figure. I guess everyone deals with
this sort of thing differently. How are you liking your 1D? I just
used mine to do a bit of testing at my last L.L. shoot on Sat. I
have to say that I'm pretty impressed...
Paul
Paul she was with the photo company. She made it clear it was a
photo company policy. The actual photographers were great. Very
friendly. That is exactly what i ordered a few wallets, 5x7
individual, team photo, and trading cards. It was a higher package
than most purchased and I still have my own photo that i took.
I am a contractor who does HVAC, Plumbing and Electrical work. I
also have my General Contracting license. I get many calls where I
tell my customers how to fix what is wrong if I think that they can
do it themselves. If they can then they save themself a service
call. Yes this "takes" money out of my pocket but I think that
this is the right way to treat people. You sound like you think
Poor Mark!
here's what i think:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2434063
maybe you'd have recommended this pro later, wouldn't you?
Maybe the pet-girl was trained to detect pro cameras, pro lenses,
and you had a big black spot on your belly. She saw it. Bad luck.
Letting the grandma snap with her "thing" and not letting you
photograph with your tool, is a sort of compliment, don't you
think? they feared you'd do professional pictures! be careful, with
a 1D in your hands, people will expect a lot from you... better be
a pro, quick, if you're not!!
I'm not so sure about this one. I'm not a lawyer or anything, but there was a big stink some time back here in Cleveland about pictures of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.Also remember that according to the letter of copyright laws, you
can't use pictures of buildings (even when they're publically
accessible) as the architect holds copyright on the building's
design. Think of it in the same way as taking a picture of a
picture.
I'm not so sure about this one. I'm not a lawyer or anything, butAlso remember that according to the letter of copyright laws, you
can't use pictures of buildings (even when they're publically
accessible) as the architect holds copyright on the building's
design. Think of it in the same way as taking a picture of a
picture.
there was a big stink some time back here in Cleveland about
pictures of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.
A local photogrpher was selling prints of photos he had taken of
the building and the Rock Hall took exception to this as they were
selling their own photos of the building in their gift shop.
I don't remember all the details, but in the end the photographer
came out the winnner. (well, atleast you can still purchase the
prints....)
Troy
