d40 vs. d80

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I am looking to get a new camera. either a d40 or a d80. I am planning on using the camera for wildlife photography/bird photography for now. Should I get a d40 with a nikon 70-300vr or an d80 with a cheaper telephoto zoom. thanks nickellbackk
 
Better glass wins every time .........search for Tech1961 to see what a D40 70-300vr combo can do.

John
I am looking to get a new camera. either a d40 or a d80. I am
planning on using the camera for wildlife photography/bird
photography for now. Should I get a d40 with a nikon 70-300vr or an
d80 with a cheaper telephoto zoom. thanks nickellbackk
 
You might find a search helpfull. Here's a few threads on the subject:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=24037181

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/search.asp?query=d40+d80&forum=1034&fields=subject
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=24101622
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=24170919
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=24029853
I am looking to get a new camera. either a d40 or a d80. I am
planning on using the camera for wildlife photography/bird
photography for now. Should I get a d40 with a nikon 70-300vr or an
d80 with a cheaper telephoto zoom. thanks nickellbackk
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nickkelbackk,

Unless you are in need of printing extremely large, the D40 should suffice. The 70-300VR is supposed to be an excellent lens and probably one of the best in that price bracket. Also, the 18-55 kit lens that comes with the D40 is a nice little lens as well.

Thanks,
Brian D.
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Glass should win..but before you make this move, you need to handle both cameras. I have large hands, and just played with a D40 at a local store, and the D80 weeks ago at a Circut City. For me, it would be the D80. If it were between the former D50 and the D80..then I would opt for the glass.
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I posted this before but here it is again.

Here are 23 advantages that the D80 processes over the D40x. The D40X is nice camera but not in the same league as the D80; the D40X has entry-level features while the D80 feature set is aimed at the advanced amateur, or the professional looking for a light-weight worthy backup camera.

Here is a list of some of the Nikon D80 Advantages, and I want to thank Big Daddie for compiling the vast majority of this list. The first 10 features alone are worth the extra $240 for the D80 over the D40X.

1. Larger, brighter viewfinder with optional grid lines, Pentaprism on the D80 and pentamirror on the D40X.

2. ISO displayed in viewfinder – I would not buy another camera without this feature.

3. Dual control dials for shutter/aperture and other settings; my D50 has a single dial – never again; two dials make a huge difference.

4. Sturdier body – less flex with longer and/or heavier lenses, which means less camera shake with heavy lenses like the popular 70-300VR.

5. 11 focus points (less focus-and-recomposing and faster, more accurate auto-focus, especially w/moving subjects).

6. Focus point can be locked with a switch on the back (avoids accidentally changing a focus point).

7. Manual ISO adjustments in 1/3 stops; the four full stops found on the D50, D40, D40X are a royal pita.

8. Depth of field preview – very useful in close-up and macro photography.

9. Full-featured wireless flash Commander (you need only buy one SB-600 or better to use it off-camera; with the D40x you must buy one SB-800 and an additional SB-600/SB-800 to get wireless flash).

10. Exposure and White Balance Bracketing.

11. FV Lock (lets you avoid the "pre-flash" that causes some subjects to blink as the photo is taken).

12. FP Sync for flash shutter speeds beyond X-sync (to 1/4000 second) (lets you get past the 1/200 maximum sync speed, at the cost of some flash power).

13. ISO, metering mode, and white balance are adjustable through dedicated button+dial without going through menus; menus are the bane of the photographic world – way too slow.

14. Mirror Delay for tripod shots; helps provide cleaner shots on a tripod, though the camera still doesn't have true mirror lockup, but definitely a step in the right direction.

15. Top LCD status display; all-important settings visible by looking at the top – very important for some people, less so for others – I like it.

16. Post-shot review has Luminance, Red, Green, and Blue histograms and Luminance - D40x only shows Luminance.

17. Longer battery life and advanced status info.

18. LCD protective cover.

19. Saturation control.

20. Kelvin color temperature control.

21. RAW+JPEG mode handles full-resolution JPEG, not basic like the D40/X.

22. Works with Nikon wired remote in addition to wireless remote.

23. Multiple exposure capability.

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Brooks
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I posted this before but here it is again.

Here are 23 advantages that the D80 processes over the D40x. The D40X
is nice camera but not in the same league as the D80; the D40X has
entry-level features while the D80 feature set is aimed at the
advanced amateur, or the professional looking for a light-weight
worthy backup camera.

Here is a list of some of the Nikon D80 Advantages, and I want to
thank Big Daddie for compiling the vast majority of this list. The
first 10 features alone are worth the extra $240 for the D80 over the
D40X.

1. Larger, brighter viewfinder with optional grid lines, Pentaprism
on the D80 and pentamirror on the D40X.

2. ISO displayed in viewfinder – I would not buy another camera
without this feature.

3. Dual control dials for shutter/aperture and other settings; my D50
has a single dial – never again; two dials make a huge difference.

4. Sturdier body – less flex with longer and/or heavier lenses, which
means less camera shake with heavy lenses like the popular 70-300VR.

5. 11 focus points (less focus-and-recomposing and faster, more
accurate auto-focus, especially w/moving subjects).

6. Focus point can be locked with a switch on the back (avoids
accidentally changing a focus point).

7. Manual ISO adjustments in 1/3 stops; the four full stops found on
the D50, D40, D40X are a royal pita.

8. Depth of field preview – very useful in close-up and macro
photography.

9. Full-featured wireless flash Commander (you need only buy one
SB-600 or better to use it off-camera; with the D40x you must buy one
SB-800 and an additional SB-600/SB-800 to get wireless flash).

10. Exposure and White Balance Bracketing.

11. FV Lock (lets you avoid the "pre-flash" that causes some subjects
to blink as the photo is taken).

12. FP Sync for flash shutter speeds beyond X-sync (to 1/4000 second)
(lets you get past the 1/200 maximum sync speed, at the cost of some
flash power).

13. ISO, metering mode, and white balance are adjustable through
dedicated button+dial without going through menus; menus are the bane
of the photographic world – way too slow.

14. Mirror Delay for tripod shots; helps provide cleaner shots on a
tripod, though the camera still doesn't have true mirror lockup, but
definitely a step in the right direction.

15. Top LCD status display; all-important settings visible by looking
at the top – very important for some people, less so for others – I
like it.

16. Post-shot review has Luminance, Red, Green, and Blue histograms
and Luminance - D40x only shows Luminance.

17. Longer battery life and advanced status info.

18. LCD protective cover.

19. Saturation control.

20. Kelvin color temperature control.

21. RAW+JPEG mode handles full-resolution JPEG, not basic like the
D40/X.

22. Works with Nikon wired remote in addition to wireless remote.

23. Multiple exposure capability.

--
Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
 
No AF capability with D40 using Nikon's prime lenses (50mm, 85mm, etc). It may not bother you if you are sticking with AF-S zooms etc. It is all that is keeping me on the fence...but ultimately may not matter much to me either.

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I'm not sure of what kind of nature/bird photography you want to do, but the 70-300VR does not have a long enough reach for distant/small subjects. I have one and I'm happy with the lens, but I just don't bother taking pictures of some birds/wildlife.

I think current digital cameras will last a long time (the tech curve is slowing), and the D80 is better than the D40 and will satisfy you longer. If you may develop an interest in macrophotograpy, be sure the camera has DOF preview. I think the D80 does; I don't know about the D40, but the D50 doesn't.

I'd get the D80 and a used cheaper zoom. I bought a used 35-105 for about $150 and still use it but not as a tele-zoom. I put some close-up lens on it to investigate macrophotography - another kind of nature photography. It's a low cost alternative to a macro lens (lower quality too, but it's a start).

For bird photography, you'll want a 400mm lens with a tele-extender (or maybe better), and that is expensive.

I think what you're asking is what would you become dissatisfied with first (less camera or less lens) and want to replace. I think it would be the lens, so buy the better camera, the best lens you can and start saving for more glass.
 
This is a great combo and don't let anyone tell you the 70-300vr is no good for wildlife or small bids etc. here are a few examples of pictures I have taken with the 70-300vr. The last was with the D40. The rest were taken with the D50 all were taken with the 70-300vr

Small Birds











Medium Birds









Large Birds











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Here is a list of some of the Nikon D80 Advantages, and I want to
thank Big Daddie for compiling the vast majority of this list. The
first 10 features alone are worth the extra $240 for the D80 over the
D40X.
I believe the OP was trying to decide between the D40 (not x) and the D80.

Whilst I'm not disputing your extensive list of features which the D80 has over the D40 family but your price differential quote is based on US prices I guess.

As the profile of the OP does not state his place of residence then comparing 'features vs cost' must surely be part of the decision making process.

If he resides in the UK, for example, the price differential is not quite the same.

D80 Body Only = £539

D40 + 18-55 Kit = £299 - £60 (Nikon Rebate) = £239

Differential = £300

I'm not going to compare prices £ vs $ (exchange rates etc) but the diference in price in whatever currency will go some way to purchasing a lens of the OP's choice.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

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Cheers, Peter

 
His Email address is through EarthLink which serves only seven States in the USA, so I am assuming he lives in one of those seven States. I believe that all twenty-three entries also apply for a comparison between the D40 and the D80, plus the D40 is 6MP whereas the D80 is 10MP
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Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
 
His Email address is through EarthLink which serves only seven States
in the USA, so I am assuming he lives in one of those seven States. I
believe that all twenty-three entries also apply for a comparison
between the D40 and the D80, plus the D40 is 6MP whereas the D80 is
10MP
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Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
Thanks Brooks and fair comment.

My point really was to say that as much I would have loved to have considered the D80 as a possible purchase here in the UK, the "twice as much....plus change" price tag compared to the D40 with kit lens was a big factor in the decision making process for just a hobbyist like me.

I really should move to the USA and live over there, where everything is less expensive.......;-) LOL

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Cheers, Peter

 
I'm not sure of what kind of nature/bird photography you want to do,
but the 70-300VR does not have a long enough reach for distant/small
subjects. I have one and I'm happy with the lens, but I just don't
bother taking pictures of some birds/wildlife.
I think current digital cameras will last a long time (the tech curve
is slowing), and the D80 is better than the D40 and will satisfy you
longer. If you may develop an interest in macrophotograpy, be sure
the camera has DOF preview. I think the D80 does; I don't know about
the D40, but the D50 doesn't.
I'd get the D80 and a used cheaper zoom. I bought a used 35-105 for
about $150 and still use it but not as a tele-zoom. I put some
close-up lens on it to investigate macrophotography - another kind of
nature photography. It's a low cost alternative to a macro lens
(lower quality too, but it's a start).
For bird photography, you'll want a 400mm lens with a tele-extender
(or maybe better), and that is expensive.
I think what you're asking is what would you become dissatisfied with
first (less camera or less lens) and want to replace. I think it
would be the lens, so buy the better camera, the best lens you can
and start saving for more glass.
The 70-300vr does all birds abd does them well.

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A quick question. I cannot see ISO displayed in my D80 viewfinder. Have I missed setting this up correctly?

Thanks

winter1
 
A quick question. I cannot see ISO displayed in my D80 viewfinder.
Have I missed setting this up correctly?
There is no full-time ISO display - the FUNC button can be assigned to show ISO in the viewfinder.

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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
 
A quick question. I cannot see ISO displayed in my D80 viewfinder.
Have I missed setting this up correctly?
There is no full-time ISO display - the FUNC button can be assigned
to show ISO in the viewfinder.

--
Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
Hi Patco,

Thanks for info. Actually just found it but prefer Func button assigned to another area. Thought maybe I was missing something and full time ISO was possible.

Regards

winter1
 

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