Fox News Cameraman Cuffed Tape Seized---Opinions?

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I submit that when a man, famous or not, expresses his views in private correspondance to his family and friends those views will be much more likely to be his true beliefs than any of his public writings or statements.

In my opinion you don't want to know the whole story and wouldn't read it if it was put in front of you. You have already proclaimed yourself one of the "few that know the truth". You couldn't afford to let facts get in the way.
It was incorrectly pointed out as the quotes have been taken out of
context because they left the whole story out and left in the parts
that bolster their argument. It's called an argument of
convenience.
--John
 
"I'm a rambler and a leaver of rationality. Well I guess you have
me pegged then. You must be lucky to be so omnicent."> > >
No, you are a flame baiter and an argumentative little man who cannot argue reasonably nor can see opposite views to your own as being valid. You cannot accept any dissenting opinion from your own. You can't let things be, and simply be mature and intelligent enough to let people state thier views and leave it at that. You need to antagonize it further and further. Compounding this grievously childish behavior, you additionally must get the very last word in edgewise on every subject. How's that for having you "pegged"?
"I guess I missed the change in the venue and this really is a
political chat room. Checking the rules of the forum. Nope, it's
still a photography forum.

Right now I'm reading about QImage to see how I can use this
program to enhance my printing output as I have one more printer
program to evaluate before I pick up a spyder and dial in the color
between my printer and monitor.

You really do need to work on your troll baiting skills."> > > >
On top of not bothering to look into Mr. Burns's quotes from the very personages in history you were so fond of using to back up your re-written history, you fail to come up with any pertinent quotes of your own. I suspect this is why you insist on carrying this to the extremes that you have and on getting your last words in. You were shown up on your own referrals, and cannot stand the fact you have been proven erroneous and cannot defend it. So you are forced to resort to babbling ad-nauseam in a last ditch effort repeatedly to save face. What a fragile and tender ego you posess. You really should look into obtaining some counseling. Your very insecure.

By the way, no, you did'nt miss any change of venue. It's always been a photography forum. What's your point? You started this mess, and you continue it, yet seem to relish in the notion that everybody else is to blame for being so off topic. It's also getting to be an old and very worn out statement from you. Can't think of anything wittier to add to your diatribe? May I suggest some ginkoba next time you go off flame baiting?

While you were reading about your QImage, I went out for the evening to see a lady friend of mine. I know that before I did, I had stated in a previous post that it would be the last time I'd reply to you so that you could get your jolly off on getting the last dig in. Upon returning home, I was stunned to see you at it the whole while!! Unbelievable. Well, Tommy, while you were busy at it here antagonizing the forum, I was busy tonight having a very fine and enjoyable evening in the company of a dear friend. My point? Yes, I do have one, unlike your statement about your QImage. It's this......I think you need to get a life.
Cheers!
D.
Thomas Gardner you sure are a great example of someone that rambles
on and on, leaving rationality in the wake of your obtuse thinking.
I'm a rambler and a leaver of rationality. Well I guess you have
me pegged then. You must be lucky to be so omnicent.
Start reading some of the books the man is quoting instead of
whatever enlightened Guru/Priest you seem to have dishing 'truth'
out to you.
I guess I missed the change in the venue and this really is a
political chat room. Checking the rules of the forum. Nope, it's
still a photography forum.

Right now I'm reading about QImage to see how I can use this
program to enhance my printing output as I have one more printer
program to evaluate before I pick up a spyder and dial in the color
between my printer and monitor.

You really do need to work on your troll baiting skills.
 
Then why do you insist on getting in the last word? You said it
yourself--- Stick to photographic discussion...
Just now you asked a question and then you accuse me of trying to get the last word in. That's funny.
Right now I'm reading about QImage to see how I can use this
program to enhance my printing output as I have one more printer
program to evaluate before I pick up a spyder and dial in the color
between my printer and monitor.

You really do need to work on your troll baiting skills.
Now, there's the pot calling the kettle black!
No, it's not an example of the pot calling the lettle black. It's a case of using descriptive writing to describe a persons behavior. If a person is trolling then they are trolling. But according to you, if this fact is reveiled, then somehow they are trolling themselves.
 
Very well said. Call me John. :)
On top of not bothering to look into Mr. Burns's quotes from the
very personages in history you were so fond of using to back up
your re-written history, you fail to come up with any pertinent
quotes of your own. --John
 
No, you are a flame baiter and an argumentative little man
Let's see. First I was a ramble and a leaver of rationality and now I'm a flame baiter and an argumentative little man.

Okay.
who cannot argue reasonably nor can see opposite views to your own as
being valid.
I can see opposite views as being valid but I can also see opposite views as being incorrect and unacceptable. There is a difference.
You cannot accept any dissenting opinion from your
own.
Sure I can but don't get mad at me because you're wrong and I don't accept your point of view.
You can't let things be, and simply be mature
Now because I don't accept your inaccurate position I lack maturity
and intelligent
And on and on and on your attacks go.
 
This time I will only comment on one of your comments. My source
is the actual writings of the people involved. Some might even say
they are historical wrintings. Others might say they are
"historical records". Once again you run behind the word truth but
offer nothing factual. No wonder you are "one of the few" that
know the real truth. Certainly, in your view, the men I have
quoted did not. At at the very least they don't seem to agree with
your version. Perhaps there is more than one truth.
You just don't get it. This is not a political forum so I'll not go into political debate and post my sources.

Here's a photographic URL that will bring you hours of fun. You are into digital photography?

http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage/
 
I submit that when a man, famous or not, expresses his views in
private correspondance to his family and friends those views will
be much more likely to be his true beliefs than any of his public
writings or statements.
In my opinion you don't want to know the whole story and wouldn't
read it if it was put in front of you. You have already proclaimed
yourself one of the "few that know the truth". You couldn't afford
to let facts get in the way.
You're welcome to submit but unless you include all the words of all the founding fathers all you have is a snippet of the incomplete story that bolsters your opinion which is different from the facts.

As to letting things get in my way. You're right, I don't allow errors and ommissions get in the way of the truth.

One more time, this is a photographic forum.
 
I submit that when a man, famous or not, expresses his views in
private correspondance to his family and friends those views will
be much more likely to be his true beliefs than any of his public
writings or statements.
In my opinion you don't want to know the whole story and wouldn't
read it if it was put in front of you. You have already proclaimed
yourself one of the "few that know the truth". You couldn't afford
to let facts get in the way.
You're welcome to submit but unless you include all the words of
all the founding fathers all you have is a snippet of the
incomplete story that bolsters your opinion which is different from
the facts.

As to letting things get in my way. You're right, I don't allow
errors and ommissions get in the way of the truth.

One more time, this is a photographic forum.
Here's a URL a recent congressional record posting.

http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=982420998+2+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

The above URL has nothing to do with digital photography and I appologize to Phil for violating his rules as this single URL will post most succinctly my position as it's part of the offical Congressional Record of the US Congress.
 
Yes I am aware of that document. It was produced out of the;
HOUSE-SENATE MAJORITY FAITH-BASED SUMMIT
WASHINGTON D.C. - APRIL 20 & 21, 2001

Why can you not stick to the subject of your original statement? It is amazing how you are unable to defend your original statement announcing the founding fathers were all Christian so we all better get used to the United States being the same. Documents produced by ultra conservative 2001 politicians has absoloutly nothing to do with your statement.

This however does.

Jefferson wrote in a letter to William Short on October 31, 1819 that he did not believe in "The immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity; original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of the Hierarchy, etc."

As if that was not scandalous enough, Jefferson added a bit more about what he did not believe about Jesus in one of his famous letters to John Adams: "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

Doesn't sound like a Christian to me. By the way the quotes are not out of context. They ARE the context of these and many other letters and statements. I have produced several items that seem to render completely false your original statement. You have offered nothing of note to defend it after being asked by several people in this thread. I can only conclude that you spouted off without really knowing what you were talking about. Not that unusual on here but most have the courage to admit when they are wrong. Sadly I can't see that happening in this case.
I submit that when a man, famous or not, expresses his views in
private correspondance to his family and friends those views will
be much more likely to be his true beliefs than any of his public
writings or statements.
In my opinion you don't want to know the whole story and wouldn't
read it if it was put in front of you. You have already proclaimed
yourself one of the "few that know the truth". You couldn't afford
to let facts get in the way.
You're welcome to submit but unless you include all the words of
all the founding fathers all you have is a snippet of the
incomplete story that bolsters your opinion which is different from
the facts.

As to letting things get in my way. You're right, I don't allow
errors and ommissions get in the way of the truth.

One more time, this is a photographic forum.
Here's a URL a recent congressional record posting.

http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=982420998+2+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

The above URL has nothing to do with digital photography and I
appologize to Phil for violating his rules as this single URL will
post most succinctly my position as it's part of the offical
Congressional Record of the US Congress.
--John
 
Here's a URL a recent congressional record posting.

http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=982420998+2+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

The above URL has nothing to do with digital photography and I
appologize to Phil for violating his rules as this single URL will
post most succinctly my position as it's part of the offical
Congressional Record of the US Congress.
Thomas:

I had hoped to stay out of this discussion any further; however, blatant faleshhoods are too difficult to ignore. Those who wish to propagate their particular political and religious agenda have ceated the myth that the term "separation between church and state" is a relatively recent creation.

The URL you provided leads us to the text of a 2001 speech by Congressman Bartlett of Maryland. As I spend my days listening to people trying to twist reality, I recognize the act when I see it. Mr. Bartlett played very loose with the truth. He largely bases his statements on the fact the the term separation of church and state "...first appeared in the judicial vocabulary of the United States in 1947...." This statement is a prime example of political spin at work. He goes on state, "Actually, those three words first appeared in .... the constitution of the United Soviet Socialist Republic." This is an unmitigated falsehood.

The usage of the term separation of church and state was first (if not earlier) made by Thomas Jefferson, in reference to the establishment of religion clause of the First Amendment. On October 7, 1801, The Danbury Baptist Association wrote to newly elected President Jefferson on the topic of freedom of religion. On January 1, 1802, Jefferson responded as follows: (Though I would like to be brief, I am including the text of Jefferson's entire letter, lest I be accused of taking anything out of context.)

"Gentlemen:

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which are so good to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are pursuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of these sentiments which tend to restore man to all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessings of the common Father and Creatore of man, and tender you and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.

Thomas Jefferson"

As there are good people and good arguments for and against the various issues involved in the interpretation of the Constitution, a party to any such argument only hurts his cause when he stoops to mistruths to support his position. It is particularly onerous when such deception is practiced by a member of Congress. This only points more strongly for the necessity for our "...wall of separation between church and State."

Cliff
 
Yes I am aware of that document. It was produced out of the;
HOUSE-SENATE MAJORITY FAITH-BASED SUMMIT
WASHINGTON D.C. - APRIL 20 & 21, 2001

Why can you not stick to the subject of your original statement? It
is amazing how you are unable to defend your original statement
announcing the founding fathers were all Christian so we all better
get used to the United States being the same.
That was not my original statment. You have now changed my quote to serve your purposes.

This is a photographic forum and you want it to be a political forum. This is now a fact that has been established.
 
Here's a URL a recent congressional record posting.

http://frwebgate4.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=982420998+2+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

The above URL has nothing to do with digital photography and I
appologize to Phil for violating his rules as this single URL will
post most succinctly my position as it's part of the offical
Congressional Record of the US Congress.
Thomas:

I had hoped to stay out of this discussion any further; however,
blatant faleshhoods are too difficult to ignore.
No, it's quite easy to ignore blatant falsehoods, it's the truth that's hard to ignore and people find so upsetting. Why? Because they are hatefull people of those that are of a different moral base then they. So hateful in their position are they, that they want to destroy all references to a higher being or offspring in any form and anybody that has faith they want to discredit or destroy even if it was the true foundation of this country's origin.

This is not a political or religious forum, it's a photograpic forum. Get use to it. There are political forums and there are religious forums where you can take people to task because of your disbeliefs.

From here, you've all made your hateful positions clear. Your purpose has now clearly been reveiled from the intensity of your response.

I'll not respond to any more attacks, insults or otherwise as this is a photographic forum.

My apologies to Phil in my attempts to respond to insults and attacks in a nutral manner.
 
Yes I am aware of that document. It was produced out of the;
HOUSE-SENATE MAJORITY FAITH-BASED SUMMIT
WASHINGTON D.C. - APRIL 20 & 21, 2001

Why can you not stick to the subject of your original statement? It
is amazing how you are unable to defend your original statement
announcing the founding fathers were all Christian so we all better
get used to the United States being the same.
Aaaaaa, I never wrote the words above. These were my origian words.

I might make a suggestion though, look into the founding history of the US of A. Check out the founding precepts/basis of this country and what the founding fathers had to say about religion, the creation of this country and what part they expected Christian values to play in it's day to day existance. The short, they expected Christianity to be at the forefront of every aspect of this country's daily existence. Get use to it.
Jefferson wrote in a letter to William Short on October 31, 1819
that he did not believe in "The immaculate conception of Jesus, his
deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous
powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal
presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity; original sin, atonement,
regeneration, election, orders of the Hierarchy, etc."
That's nice, the country was founded many years before that quote and there were hundreds that were responsible for the founding of the country and they in total were the basis of this country. Didn't Jefferson die in France a disilliusioned man that felt we needed a revolution every twenty years?

I'm going to purposfully post a non political, non religious, photographic link. If you continue, then you really are into what you're writing about and not about photography.

Try keeping your thoughts on photography. Better images, better printing can you say Canon S9000

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=2395701
 
Here is your statement:

"I might make a suggestion though, look into the founding history of the US of A. Check out the founding precepts/basis of this country and what the founding fathers had to say about religion, the creation of this country and what part they expected Christian values to play in it's day to day existance. The short, they expected Christianity to be at the forefront of every aspect of this country's daily existence. Get use to it."
Yes I am aware of that document. It was produced out of the;
HOUSE-SENATE MAJORITY FAITH-BASED SUMMIT
WASHINGTON D.C. - APRIL 20 & 21, 2001

Why can you not stick to the subject of your original statement? It
is amazing how you are unable to defend your original statement
announcing the founding fathers were all Christian so we all better
get used to the United States being the same.
That was not my original statment. You have now changed my quote
to serve your purposes.

This is a photographic forum and you want it to be a political
forum. This is now a fact that has been established.
--John
 
HA HA HA!! Man you are something!! Thomas Jefferson died at his estate at Monticello, Virginia on July 4, 1826.
Didn't Jefferson die in France a disilliusioned man that felt we
needed a revolution every twenty years?
--John
 
Man you are scary. No one has been hateful to you here. We keep presenting facts refuting your statements and you keep avoiding responding to them. When you make obviously false statements in an open forum those statements will be challenged. Get used to it.
No, it's quite easy to ignore blatant falsehoods, it's the truth
that's hard to ignore and people find so upsetting. Why? Because
they are hatefull people of those that are of a different moral
base then they. So hateful in their position are they, that they
want to destroy all references to a higher being or offspring in
any form and anybody that has faith they want to discredit or
destroy even if it was the true foundation of this country's origin.

This is not a political or religious forum, it's a photograpic
forum. Get use to it. There are political forums and there are
religious forums where you can take people to task because of your
disbeliefs.

From here, you've all made your hateful positions clear. Your
purpose has now clearly been reveiled from the intensity of your
response.

I'll not respond to any more attacks, insults or otherwise as this
is a photographic forum.

My apologies to Phil in my attempts to respond to insults and
attacks in a nutral manner.
--John
 

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