taking the leap UWA

martiniko · Jul 23, 2007

sigma 10-20 is around $80 more expensive than the tokina 12-24 here. I've been searching flickr and other gallery websites for sample pics and i've been impressed by both. I'm decided to get the tokina because of price, but will i wish for the extra 2mm? I've seen several posts comparing these lenses. And i think it boiled down to what each wants to do.

i'm just wondering for those who chose tokina, did you wish you can still go wider?
is $80 worth the 2mm?

jerfy · Jul 23, 2007

Let's look at it this way (assiuming you already have a lense that goes down to 18mm):

Tokina:
The difference between 18 and 12 mm is 23 degrees.
If the Tokina costs $500
You are paying $22/degree

The difference between 18 and 10 mm is 33.2 degrees
If the Sigmaa costs $580
You are paying $17.5/degree

This would suggest that the Sigma is a better deal.

I went with a guess for your price difference numbers... looking online the difference in price between the two lenses is $438 vs $455. Giving: $13.7/degree for the sigma and $19/degree for the tokina. Even a larger advantage for the Sigma.

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N i k k o r 1 8 - 2 0 0 V R
S i g m a 1 0 - 2 0
S i g m a 1 2 0 - 3 0 0 F 2 . 8
S i g m a 2 x T e l e c o n v e r t e r
S i g m a 1 5 0 M a c r o F 2 . 8
S B 4 0 0 S p e e d l i g h t
G i t z o G T 3 5 4 0 L a n d M a r k i n s M 2 0

slimandy · Jul 23, 2007

I'm not sure I like your reasoning, but I go along with your conclusion. When I want to go ultra-wide I want to go ultra-wide, so 10 is better than 12. I used the 10~20 on a beech recently, and my favourite shots were all @ 10mm. Just be careful to keep your feet out of the frame!

TOR8472 · Jul 23, 2007

Personally, I've have the Tokina 12-24 for several months now and have yet to wish I could go wider than 12 mm. I shoot mostly in the 14-16, and 20-24 range with this lens on my camera.

I understand you are asking for people's personal experiences, so obviously others may find 10 mm invaluable and I'm not denying that it might be to others.

Kaj E · Jul 23, 2007

...for comparing optical quality.

Like comparing sausages by $ inch, without paying attention to thickness and taste.

jerfy said:
Let's look at it this way (assiuming you already have a lense that
goes down to 18mm):

Tokina:
The difference between 18 and 12 mm is 23 degrees.
If the Tokina costs $500
You are paying $22/degree

The difference between 18 and 10 mm is 33.2 degrees
If the Sigmaa costs $580
You are paying $17.5/degree

This would suggest that the Sigma is a better deal.

I went with a guess for your price difference numbers... looking
online the difference in price between the two lenses is $438 vs
$455. Giving: $13.7/degree for the sigma and $19/degree for the
tokina. Even a larger advantage for the Sigma.

--
D 4 0
N i k k o r 1 8 - 2 0 0 V R
S i g m a 1 0 - 2 0
S i g m a 1 2 0 - 3 0 0 F 2 . 8
S i g m a 2 x T e l e c o n v e r t e r
S i g m a 1 5 0 M a c r o F 2 . 8
S B 4 0 0 S p e e d l i g h t
G i t z o G T 3 5 4 0 L a n d M a r k i n s M 2 0

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Kind regards
Kaj
http://www.pbase.com/kaj_e
WSSA member

noober69 · Jul 23, 2007

I have the Tokina and I am happy with it. I do wish sometimes for a wider angle, but I like beach scenes and landscapes. I like the constant aperture of the tokina, so it is hard to tell. Overall I am happy, but thinking of a 10.5mm Fisheye.....

Kluso · Jul 23, 2007

Kaj E said:
...for comparing optical quality.

Like comparing sausages by $ inch, without paying attention to
thickness and taste.

Never mind the quality feel the width

I have read on this forum [i.e it must be true] that a lot of Sigma sausages contain sawdust.

You need to exchange them at least 100 times!!

Eventually you MAY [got to be very lucky] find a Sigma sausage that does not contain sawdust the taste is out of this world.

People buying Nikon and Tokina sausages expect no sawdust, however when there is sawdust present they just pretend it is extra flavour.

Soft sausages, that is another issue that needs to be considered.

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Inspector Kluso

Kaj E · Jul 23, 2007

Kluso said:
Kaj E said:

...for comparing optical quality.

Like comparing sausages by $ inch, without paying attention to
thickness and taste.

Click to expand...

Never mind the quality feel the width

I have read on this forum [i.e it must be true] that a lot of Sigma
sausages contain sawdust.

You need to exchange them at least 100 times!!

Eventually you MAY [got to be very lucky] find a Sigma sausage that
does not contain sawdust the taste is out of this world.

People buying Nikon and Tokina sausages expect no sawdust, however
when there is sawdust present they just pretend it is extra flavour.

Soft sausages, that is another issue that needs to be considered.

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Inspector Kluso

Great to hear from somebody well versed in sausology. Your observations seem, quite accurate to an amateur in the science like me. But... what else could one expect from an inspector.

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Kind regards
Kaj
http://www.pbase.com/kaj_e
WSSA member

martinch · Jul 23, 2007

martiniko said:
sigma 10-20 is around $80 more expensive than the tokina 12-24 here.

I bought the Tokina over the Sigma, but here the pricing's the other way round - the Tokina's more expensive by that amount. :-S LOL

martiniko said:
i'm just wondering for those who chose tokina, did you wish you can
still go wider?

Nope. To be honest, I bought it because I wanted the 16mm+ range, so the extra 4mm at the long end was useful for me (less changing lenses). Having said that, 12mm is pretty darned wide:

^ yes, it's a test shot, which explains why there's two shadows at the bottom ;-))

The Tokina is a very nice lens.

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