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Hi Jim,

I have been following this camera. Some people on the Sigma forum are disapointed that it's taking so long to get it out, others are hoping for the best and will wait for the camera to be sold.

I see a possibility here for small interchangeable primes instead of just the one fixed prime on this camera. If Sigma could design it to be an interchangeable lens camera then truly it would be a "Pocket Battleship".
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Yes, this looks like the "holy grail" of compact cameras - BUT... it was to be delivered by May-June 07 and by checking the posts on the Sigma forum, it could be quite some time before we see this little gem shipping. Seeing what you do with the D-Lux3, I can't wait to see your results with a full-frame sensor!
chetko
 
Peter Nelson said:
Hi Jim,

I have been following this camera. Some people on the Sigma forum are
disapointed that it's taking so long to get it out, others are hoping
for the best and will wait for the camera to be sold.
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I prefer they take their time and get it right and not follow in the footsteps of the M8 problems.

The F4 lense is a bit bothersome... I would have hoped for something faster but I understand the physics involved from what I read. Still could be quite useable.

The main thing is a larger sensor, larger photosites, better quality and hopefull much lower noise. It almost has the same design as the D-Lux 3.. but they have added an optical viewfinder accessory and a lens shade.. looking good.
Peter Nelson said:
I see a possibility here for small interchangeable primes instead of
just the one fixed prime on this camera. If Sigma could design it to
be an interchangeable lens camera then truly it would be a "Pocket
Battleship".
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Yes but I doubt it will happen.. but will hope.. I think the design of the lens will prohbit this in this first version.

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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com/dlux3
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
This is why I have been holding off buying a D-Lux 3. I caught wind of this camera about two months ago and saw some images from the Foveon sensor on the Segam SD14 which blew my mind. (We don't get color like this even with Leica.) I'll continue to use my Digilux 1 as a P&S and my Digilux 2 as my go-to camera, until this DP1 comes out.

Then we'll see. I'll be the beta for us Leica users...already have the $800US set aside for the Sigma. (That still seems high for an f4 camera. Maybe why they've delayed their launch for three months...some think it is to upgrade their lens.) Lot of discussioin about it on the Sigma site. Look for the link where the guy shoots the surfer off North Carolina's Outer Banks. Will knock your socks off!

John Crawley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wordsandsuch/show/

“Let there be light.” It all began right there.
 
This DP1 was due begining of the year then delayed to May, since then there is no news whether it will hit the shelves a day.

It would be very interesting with a fixed zoom lens and not interchangeable to keep it pocketable and avoid dust on sensor.

If Sigma doesn't market it someone else will, I bet Panasonic could but Canon may surprise us first.

I believe P&S sensors and technology will be soon into cellphones, if P&S have to stay they must offer more, then bigger sensors is the route.
 
Didn't want to wait any longer and bought the Ricoh GX100 instead. Still might spring for the Sigma when it comes out.

As an aside, I would not be surprised one bit if there were an LX2 replacement announced tomorrow.

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The Sigma DP-1 was first previewed last Fall, then showed in a revised prototype in March. I kept waiting. I was expecting it to be a $700-900 street price camera.

But when the Panasonic L1 became available for $1050, it was a no brainer: I bought the L1 and that's the end of waiting for a DP-1.

Godfrey
 
Amin Sabet wrote:
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Amin Sabet said:
As an aside, I would not be surprised one bit if there were an LX2
replacement announced tomorrow.
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Amin Sabet,

over here in parts of old Europe it is now well into tomorrow, by Middle European Summer Time, but not a yip of news on the presumed Panasonic roll out. Harry Potter would have been up and about for nearly an hour by now doing his magic.

I think, Panasonic may have just overslept and will shuffle along the day after to deliver eventually.

As for the LX3 I have drawn up a list of specs that I find so compelling that I actually can do without Pannys formal announcement that cannot but confirm what I already know for sure.

Regards, Guenter

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If the camera works as well as the Sigma website, it won't be up to much. When I view a page, I cannot get back to the contents to call up another page.

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence, does it?
 
I think I would get rid of my LX2 and pick this up. I can see this as a great little cam for street work too.
Jim Radcliffe said:
chetko said:
Seeing what you do with the D-Lux3, I can't wait to see
your results with a full-frame sensor!
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Me neither... I really want a larger sensor and less noise.
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com/dlux3
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
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'Good photography is a controlled accident,
a vision of preparation and surrender materialized.'

 
This discussion has potential, maybe. Some time back here on DP review there was an extended discussion, I think in the Open Talk Forum, regarding a more capable compact camera. Thom Hogan, a Nikon guru, who publishes extensively and posts here often has an interesting article on his web site here: http://www.bythom.com/compact.htm , which is worth reading if you really care.

The concept is a fascinating one. Big sensor, relatively, in a small camera, and why not. Any P&S I have tried produces mediocre stuff at best and often it is just plan awful. But small, relatively, and light are real great attributes and a decent lens would have to be a given.

Now that I have an M8 I might not be so anxious to have such a camera but I sure would give one serious consideration if the cost was anything like reasonable. In so far as Sigma is concerned it has been wait and see for far too long now. Great concept for a more serious camera, and why not, surely there is a demand. John
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I have dreamed of a compact camera that had a full size sensor, extremely low noise (as in the 5D CMOS sensor) and let's say a REAL sharp and fast lens... it could be Leica, it could be Canon or Nikon... I don't care who.

A camera slightly larger than the D-Lux 3
A 10 - 13 MP Full Frame Sensor
Extremely low noise
Very fast and sharp Lens
LCD AND optical viewfinder
Pop-up flash
Color, Sepia, BW, Portrait, Twilight, Landscape, Night Settings.
ISO 100 - 3200
Macro capability
Bulb to 1/4000 of a second
Extremely high capacity batteries
Top of camera controls and digital readouts instead of on the LCD
SD card use

Priced between $800 and $1200
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Jim Radcliffe
http://www.boxedlight.com/dlux3
http://www.image36.com
http://www.oceona.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear.
 
Unfortunately, the lens is not realistically sized for that size sensor. That is the stumbling block. Look at the DP-1 ... the lens is almost twice the size. Otherwise, Thom Hogan's camera looks like an Olympus C4040 or similar.

G
 
John Crawley said:
This is why I have been holding off buying a D-Lux 3. I caught wind
of this camera about two months ago and saw some images from the
Foveon sensor on the Segam SD14 which blew my mind. (We don't get
color like this even with Leica.) I'll continue to use my Digilux 1
as a P&S and my Digilux 2 as my go-to camera, until this DP1 comes
out.

Then we'll see. I'll be the beta for us Leica users...already have
the $800US set aside for the Sigma. (That still seems high for an f4
camera. Maybe why they've delayed their launch for three
months...some think it is to upgrade their lens.) Lot of discussioin
about it on the Sigma site. Look for the link where the guy shoots
the surfer off North Carolina's Outer Banks. Will knock your socks
off!
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while I agree that a large sensor in a small body has advantages (it is one of the joys of the M8 after all) this offering from Sigma seems limited by its maximum aperture of f4.0

I also question your enthusiasm for the colors from the Foveon ...from what I have seen and read, the Foveon sensors have problems with red & purple rendition ...I believe the ADC for the Foveon sensors are still 12 bit which places them at a disadvantage to the Leica M8 design

I did visit the Sigma SLR forum and looked for the link to the surfer ...perhaps you could supply this
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My enthusiasm for this product has come about by having seen the SD14 in action in my own hands. A friend had one and I got to take a few shots with it. The color was spectacular. It reminds me of film. I understand some of the teething issues have been solved with updated software...

Here's the link at the Sigma Forum site:

surf shots from Wrightsville Beach

BTW, I just noticed that both Canon and Sony are planning big new CMOS pushes...Could be that tiny chips with gazillion pixels on them may become a thing of the past. Larger chips capture more like with less noise. Perhaps the camera engineers have heard us!!!!


John Crawley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wordsandsuch/show/

“Let there be light.” It all began right there.
 
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=23999308&q=surfer&qf=m

I do not think the color here all that exceptional & certainly not the overall image quality when compared to other DSLRs
for instance these from the S3

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=23999308&q=surfer&qf=m
or these from the S5
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=22170641

note the skin tones ...the Foveon does not do skin as well, IMHO ...I think this is the advantage of having a 14 bit ADC digesting information from the sensor ...I find the accutance of these Fujifilm photos superior to the Sigma as well which may surprise some
here are some surf shots from the D2X

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=21051853&q=surf&qf=m

the skin tones/DR are not in the same league as the Fujifilm but these are noticeably sharper than the Foveon ...for skin tones it is hard to beat Leica/Fujifilm which both employ > 12 bit ADC in their high end camera designs

the Foveon has theoretical advantages that have not been fully realized, from what I have seen ...its DSLR iteration is hampered by the lenses used (pretty near limited to Sigma) and the new compact is also limited by a fixed focal length with aperture limited to f4

there is no question that a larger sensored compact at an affordable price is very desireable, but I have my doubts that this Sigma (which is still vaporware) will be the Holy Grail some hope it will be

I think Canon or Fujifilm may produce one that may make those getting the Sigma have remorse
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