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Canon S800. Two sets of cartridge blanks.

Into my second set of Photo Magenta, Photo Cyan and Yellow. Ink usage is normal. Colors normal, everything looks very good. I am being very sensitive to conditions that would create solids, so I thought I would follow up with my experience here...

I made up 3 cartridges for the 3 most used colors as backup. I taped the vent hole and capped them. I put them in individual baggies and folded the bag around them. I then stored them in a cool dark place. When the time came to exchange a cartridge, I just pulled out the filled one and placed it on a paper towel. I took off the orange cap and tape (just like a retail packaged cartridge) and then replaced the cartridge. I capped and bagged the old one, wrapping it tightly in the baggy. I let that one sit empty for a couple of days as I knew the PC and Y were soon to follow. I did the same procedure on them today (they weren't quite empty, but would soon be). I set the used cartridges out on a paper towel and used another paper towel slightly moistened with distilled water and cleaned any excess from the outside and the orange caps. I gently lifted the rubber plug with the point of the needle on the syringe and filled. Using the same procedure as before, taping the vent hole and bagging each individually.

Cleanup is getting easier. I now fill a small bowl with some distilled water. I wipe the end of the needle and pull about 1/2 the syringe full with water and squirt into the garbage can. I repeat this about 3-4 times, until the water runs clean. Then I pull about 1/2 syringe of water and remove the needle. I hold the mount end of the needle close to the end of the syringe and squirt water in it to dislodge any ink in that end. I put the needle back on and draw another 1/2 and insert the needle half way into the cap and squirt the water into the cap to clean it out. I do this with all of the needles, then dump the water in the bowl and put in some clean water. I disassemble each needle and give it a final rinse, then put the pieces on a paper towel to dry.

The whole process, inluding cleaning doesn't take very long (1/2 hour).

So, still going strong. Prints looking good. I am keeping an eye out for any signs of clogging. I am hoping that taking care to avoid allowing any ink to dry on/in the cartridges or the head will keep me clog free. I print like a madman :D. I had a St. Patrick's day party and took a bunch of pictures. I printed them up and handed them out to everyone at the party before they left. Very nice not to worry about ink usage.
 
I bought the WeInk Refill Kit and the six empty cartriges that sell for $24. After printing 90+ letter-sized (8.5 x 11) photo pages, my observed cartridge lives are as follows:

PM 40 pages
PC 40 pages
Y 70 pages
M 100 pages (estimated)
C 115 pages (estimated)
B 225 pages (estimated)

When the OEM cartridges ran out (PM, PC, and Y so far), I replaced them with the WeInk cartridges that I had just filled for the first time. Last night when the PM ran out again, I opened the printer, pulled the little black rubber cork out, and re-filled (9 cc) without even removing the cartridge from the head. This took about 30 seconds. I refilled the PC cartridge at the same time (closed and opend the door between so the printer would not steal the head while the needle was sticking in it).

Based on $40 for a 1 lb WeInk bottle of ink (conservative delivered price), and 40 refills per 1 lb bottle, the cost of a single refill should be about $1.

I did the math, based on the above usages, and found that the cost of ink, after the initial investment of empty cartriges, needles ..., to be a little less than 10 cents per page.

I have been using Epson Photo Paper ($20 per 100 from Costco), calling it Glossy Photo Paper and mostly turining on the Vivid option on the effects tab. Many scenery pictures look like postcards.

I am a happy camper.

Don Walker
Oly E-20N
 
Don,

I gather that you have just started using WiInk refills, but have you noticed any difference in the gamut of their inks compared to Canon's. I just recently got my S800 and expect to be doing some heavy duty printing shortly and I'm currently looking for a source of supply for inks. What other sources have you considered using and how did you end up choosing WeInk?

Cheers.
Larry E.--Larry E
 
I ordered a complete set after the original thread from Don. I had been watching and reviewing Weinks web site for awhile. Since this will be a first for me, I went with Weink because of everything they offered, i.e. blank cartridges set up for re-inking and the kit. Don had verified my initial thoughts on the blank carts as well as that the ink provided preliminary acceptance with the color match.--Mike
 
Larry Emond said:
Don,
Have
you noticed any difference in the gamut of their inks compared to
Canon's. What other sources have you considered using
and how did you end up choosing WeInk?
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I have not performed any sort of formal test as I just print pictures for myself and friends. From my serious amateur point of view, there is no noticable difference between the prints made with the OEM cartridges before they ran out and those I am getting now with 1/2 OEM and 1/2 WeInk. On the other hand, I cannot affort 5 or 6 or 9 or 11 dollars per cartridge so I am not looking too hard. As I said before, it looks like my ink will be costing about $1 per refilled cartridge after the initial investment in the $90 refill kit and the $24 empties.

I did look at some other sources on the Web but concluded that the WeInk kit was most well thought out and complete.

I am discovering that, because the cartridges run out at different times, that it is hard to print more than 10 or 15 pages without something running out and having to be refilled. CIS???

Don
 
Interesting. I think I will do that with my M, C, B. Since I won't need to do those often, I wasn't going to have extras ready.

Don Daugherty
Oly E-10
:)
Don Walker said:
When the OEM cartridges ran out (PM, PC, and Y so far), I replaced
them with the WeInk cartridges that I had just filled for the first
time. Last night when the PM ran out again, I opened the printer,
pulled the little black rubber cork out, and re-filled (9 cc)
without even removing the cartridge from the head. This took about
30 seconds. I refilled the PC cartridge at the same time (closed
and opend the door between so the printer would not steal the head
while the needle was sticking in it).
Click to expand...
Don Walker said:
Don Walker
Oly E-20N
Click to expand...
 
I am really happy with the color match. It is slightly different, but not in a bad way. It's VERY subtle. But, with the same print on the same paper with the same settings, I could see a very subtle difference. I am totally comfortable with the color though. Nothing wierd or wild.

I looked at pretty much all of the offerings out there. Pretty much all of the ones you will find here if you do a search on CIS or Refill.

I ended up with Weink because of their sensitivity to customer concerns. The fact that John Mills posts here and never pushes his product (on the contrary, he has even posted on threads concerning competitors products and given really good information and never mentioned his own products). I respect that. If you call Weink, you can actually get John on the phone as well. There was one incident where Weink got a batch of bad photo-magenta (don't know all the specifics about that) and John posted that here and sent everyone replacement inks proactively. It's not whether you make mistakes (mistakes are bound to happen), it's how you handle them. If you do a search on John Mills, you will find a long post he made concerning color and ink formulations. He was very knowledgeable and forthcoming about ink formulations and color matching. Based on all of that, it was a pretty easy decision.
Larry Emond said:
Don,
I gather that you have just started using WiInk refills, but have
you noticed any difference in the gamut of their inks compared to
Canon's. I just recently got my S800 and expect to be doing some
heavy duty printing shortly and I'm currently looking for a source
of supply for inks. What other sources have you considered using
and how did you end up choosing WeInk?

Cheers.
Larry E.
--
Larry E
Click to expand...
 
I'm glad to hear you are happy with the color match. Have you tried the ink with Canon Photo Paper Pro? How is the match there? I really like the PPP for some prints. The PPP seems to take colors quite a bit differently than most papers, I've never found another paper that looks really good with the PPP setting. I've come up with a good setup for most papers I've tried but usually not by starting with the PPP setting .

I don't erxpect a perfect match, but I do want the (hopefully) minor differences to be such that it's reasonable to adjust for them.

I bought ink from a different supplier and found thjat most of the colors had a very poor match - essentially unuseable. So far I've not had much luck with any helpful response from them. I don't want to end up with any more bottles of useless ink!

WayneJ
Don Daugherty said:
I am really happy with the color match. It is slightly different,
but not in a bad way. It's VERY subtle. But, with the same print
on the same paper with the same settings, I could see a very subtle
difference. I am totally comfortable with the color though.
Nothing wierd or wild.
Click to expand...
 
Hi Don and "the others" too,
continue reporting please (please, please, please...) !

I've just got my s9000 which uses the same inks and.. ran out of ink after 40 pages (PM and PC). My first trial with 3rd party inks ends up in desaster! You can find them on the moon now!

I'm (and many others too) watching you!!!

Rregards and thanks.

excuse my bad english.
Don Daugherty said:
Canon S800. Two sets of cartridge blanks.

Into my second set of Photo Magenta, Photo Cyan and Yellow. Ink
usage is normal. Colors normal, everything looks very good. I am
being very sensitive to conditions that would create solids, so I
thought I would follow up with my experience here...

I made up 3 cartridges for the 3 most used colors as backup. I
taped the vent hole and capped them. I put them in individual
baggies and folded the bag around them. I then stored them in a
cool dark place. When the time came to exchange a cartridge, I
just pulled out the filled one and placed it on a paper towel. I
took off the orange cap and tape (just like a retail packaged
cartridge) and then replaced the cartridge. I capped and bagged
the old one, wrapping it tightly in the baggy. I let that one sit
empty for a couple of days as I knew the PC and Y were soon to
follow. I did the same procedure on them today (they weren't quite
empty, but would soon be). I set the used cartridges out on a
paper towel and used another paper towel slightly moistened with
distilled water and cleaned any excess from the outside and the
orange caps. I gently lifted the rubber plug with the point of the
needle on the syringe and filled. Using the same procedure as
before, taping the vent hole and bagging each individually.

Cleanup is getting easier. I now fill a small bowl with some
distilled water. I wipe the end of the needle and pull about 1/2
the syringe full with water and squirt into the garbage can. I
repeat this about 3-4 times, until the water runs clean. Then I
pull about 1/2 syringe of water and remove the needle. I hold the
mount end of the needle close to the end of the syringe and squirt
water in it to dislodge any ink in that end. I put the needle back
on and draw another 1/2 and insert the needle half way into the cap
and squirt the water into the cap to clean it out. I do this with
all of the needles, then dump the water in the bowl and put in some
clean water. I disassemble each needle and give it a final rinse,
then put the pieces on a paper towel to dry.

The whole process, inluding cleaning doesn't take very long (1/2
hour).

So, still going strong. Prints looking good. I am keeping an eye
out for any signs of clogging. I am hoping that taking care to
avoid allowing any ink to dry on/in the cartridges or the head will
keep me clog free. I print like a madman :D. I had a St.
Patrick's day party and took a bunch of pictures. I printed them
up and handed them out to everyone at the party before they left.
Very nice not to worry about ink usage.
Click to expand...
--Peter
 
I don't use the Canon PPP. I had so many other papers when I bought my Canon printer and when I finished the sample pack of PPP I was not impressed enough to seek out anymore. I use several Epson papers (HWM, Archival Matte, PGPP, Panoramic Photo Paper), Ilford papers and Office Depot paper.

And, btw, I use the PPP setting with the Epson Archival Matte.

I am completely happy with the color match. I have some stuff framed already. I have done some nice black and white prints too.

Weink has a 45 day money back guarantee. Which is kind of nice. So you wouldn't end up with any useless ink lying around.

http://www.weink.com/custsvc/returnfaq.htm
WayneJ said:
I don't erxpect a perfect match, but I do want the (hopefully)
minor differences to be such that it's reasonable to adjust for
them.

I bought ink from a different supplier and found thjat most of the
colors had a very poor match - essentially unuseable. So far I've
not had much luck with any helpful response from them. I don't
want to end up with any more bottles of useless ink!

WayneJ
Don Daugherty said:
I am really happy with the color match. It is slightly different,
but not in a bad way. It's VERY subtle. But, with the same print
on the same paper with the same settings, I could see a very subtle
difference. I am totally comfortable with the color though.
Nothing wierd or wild.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Using the Canon S9000, I did the an experiment last night. It is an economical way to try different settings and paper combinations. BTW, I now have WeInk in the PM, PC, C and Y cartridges, OEM in B and M.

First, find a nice photo with lots of different colors and some detail. Enhance it as desired. I used a picture of the Golden Gate Bridge on a clear day with trees and yellow flowers in the foreground.

Prepare 4 x 6 sheets of various papers. I had the 5 sheet sample pack of PPP that came with the printer. I cut up 2 sheets of Epson Photo Paper, some HP and some Kodak paper.

Using my printing program (Microsoft Publisher for me), I printed the GG Bridge picture once on each of the various 4 x 6 paper types (borderless) using the following combinations of settings:

Selected paper: Photo Pro Paper (Quality 1), Not Vivid
Selected paper: Photo Pro Paper (Quality 2), Not Vivid
Selected paper: Photo Pro Paper (Quality 2), Vivid
Selected paper: Photo Glossy Paper (Quality 1), Not Vivid
Selected paper: Photo Glossy Paper (Quality 1), Vivid

Note that I used the Print Advisor to select the paper types shown above and took the default settings, (except for the first where I manually changed the default quality from 2 to 1.)

After each print is made, let it dry completely and label it with the settings used.

My conclusion:

The ink beaded up on the Kodak and HP papers - they are unusable with the S9000's inks.

I liked the pictures using the Vivid option much more than the others.

Only a slight difference between PPP Quality 1 and PPP Quality 2. Very minimal difference between the PPP paper and the Photo Glossy Paper selections.

The blues were somewhat lighter on the Canon PPP than on the Epson at the same settings - either looked great but edge went to PPP.

To my taste, best overall setting between the 2 papers turned out to be Selected paper: Photo Glossy Paper (Quality 1), Vivid.

It would be interesting to see the results of similar experiences with other paper types and settings.

Don Walker
Oly E-20
 
I have found that the Cannon ink does not run if the photo gets wet. Does the Weink have the same 'waterfastness'?

Mike
Don Daugherty said:
Canon S800. Two sets of cartridge blanks.

Into my second set of Photo Magenta, Photo Cyan and Yellow. Ink
usage is normal. Colors normal, everything looks very good. I am
being very sensitive to conditions that would create solids, so I
thought I would follow up with my experience here...

I made up 3 cartridges for the 3 most used colors as backup. I
taped the vent hole and capped them. I put them in individual
baggies and folded the bag around them. I then stored them in a
cool dark place. When the time came to exchange a cartridge, I
just pulled out the filled one and placed it on a paper towel. I
took off the orange cap and tape (just like a retail packaged
cartridge) and then replaced the cartridge. I capped and bagged
the old one, wrapping it tightly in the baggy. I let that one sit
empty for a couple of days as I knew the PC and Y were soon to
follow. I did the same procedure on them today (they weren't quite
empty, but would soon be). I set the used cartridges out on a
paper towel and used another paper towel slightly moistened with
distilled water and cleaned any excess from the outside and the
orange caps. I gently lifted the rubber plug with the point of the
needle on the syringe and filled. Using the same procedure as
before, taping the vent hole and bagging each individually.

Cleanup is getting easier. I now fill a small bowl with some
distilled water. I wipe the end of the needle and pull about 1/2
the syringe full with water and squirt into the garbage can. I
repeat this about 3-4 times, until the water runs clean. Then I
pull about 1/2 syringe of water and remove the needle. I hold the
mount end of the needle close to the end of the syringe and squirt
water in it to dislodge any ink in that end. I put the needle back
on and draw another 1/2 and insert the needle half way into the cap
and squirt the water into the cap to clean it out. I do this with
all of the needles, then dump the water in the bowl and put in some
clean water. I disassemble each needle and give it a final rinse,
then put the pieces on a paper towel to dry.

The whole process, inluding cleaning doesn't take very long (1/2
hour).

So, still going strong. Prints looking good. I am keeping an eye
out for any signs of clogging. I am hoping that taking care to
avoid allowing any ink to dry on/in the cartridges or the head will
keep me clog free. I print like a madman :D. I had a St.
Patrick's day party and took a bunch of pictures. I printed them
up and handed them out to everyone at the party before they left.
Very nice not to worry about ink usage.
Click to expand...
 
Hi Peter,

I take it that this ink was not from Weink. What sort of problems did you find with it? Were there color shifts or other problems?

I'll probably end up buying from weink unless the vendor I purchased from resolves the problems, but right now I think I'm in the "Once bitten, twice shy" mode.

By the way, your english is fine!

WayneJ
Peter Wölk said:
My first trial with 3rd party inks
ends up in desaster! You can find them on the moon now!
Click to expand...
 
Don, you are a good man. All eyes are on you now buddy. I am also waiting for your test results and probably buy a refill set next month. Good luck and thanx for sharing.
Don Daugherty said:
Canon S800. Two sets of cartridge blanks.

Into my second set of Photo Magenta, Photo Cyan and Yellow. Ink
usage is normal. Colors normal, everything looks very good. I am
being very sensitive to conditions that would create solids, so I
thought I would follow up with my experience here...

I made up 3 cartridges for the 3 most used colors as backup. I
taped the vent hole and capped them. I put them in individual
baggies and folded the bag around them. I then stored them in a
cool dark place. When the time came to exchange a cartridge, I
just pulled out the filled one and placed it on a paper towel. I
took off the orange cap and tape (just like a retail packaged
cartridge) and then replaced the cartridge. I capped and bagged
the old one, wrapping it tightly in the baggy. I let that one sit
empty for a couple of days as I knew the PC and Y were soon to
follow. I did the same procedure on them today (they weren't quite
empty, but would soon be). I set the used cartridges out on a
paper towel and used another paper towel slightly moistened with
distilled water and cleaned any excess from the outside and the
orange caps. I gently lifted the rubber plug with the point of the
needle on the syringe and filled. Using the same procedure as
before, taping the vent hole and bagging each individually.

Cleanup is getting easier. I now fill a small bowl with some
distilled water. I wipe the end of the needle and pull about 1/2
the syringe full with water and squirt into the garbage can. I
repeat this about 3-4 times, until the water runs clean. Then I
pull about 1/2 syringe of water and remove the needle. I hold the
mount end of the needle close to the end of the syringe and squirt
water in it to dislodge any ink in that end. I put the needle back
on and draw another 1/2 and insert the needle half way into the cap
and squirt the water into the cap to clean it out. I do this with
all of the needles, then dump the water in the bowl and put in some
clean water. I disassemble each needle and give it a final rinse,
then put the pieces on a paper towel to dry.

The whole process, inluding cleaning doesn't take very long (1/2
hour).

So, still going strong. Prints looking good. I am keeping an eye
out for any signs of clogging. I am hoping that taking care to
avoid allowing any ink to dry on/in the cartridges or the head will
keep me clog free. I print like a madman :D. I had a St.
Patrick's day party and took a bunch of pictures. I printed them
up and handed them out to everyone at the party before they left.
Very nice not to worry about ink usage.
Click to expand...
--Simon-Ph
 
Hi Wayne,
your're right, not from WeInk!

I bought this no name replacemant cartriges from a company which had some good tests with repl. cartriges for Epson printers. Half the price of the orig. inks but also a poor color matching. Flat and sometimes (green) strange colors and the absence of soft skin tones with all Papers! The Promlem starts with replacing the PM and PC cartrige only and growed after replacing them all. There was no technical Problem with these Inks, every Ink was on the paper after nozzle test. I can confirm now the mode "Once bitten, twice shy" for me too.

Regards
WayneJ said:
I take it that this ink was not from Weink. What sort of problems
did you find with it? Were there color shifts or other problems?

I'll probably end up buying from weink unless the vendor I
purchased from resolves the problems, but right now I think I'm in
the "Once bitten, twice shy" mode.

By the way, your english is fine!

WayneJ
Peter Wölk said:
My first trial with 3rd party inks
ends up in desaster! You can find them on the moon now!
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--Peter
 
Don for president !
Simon-Ph said:
Don, you are a good man. All eyes are on you now buddy. I am also
waiting for your test results and probably buy a refill set next
month. Good luck and thanx for sharing.
Click to expand...
--Peter
 
I have had good experience with MIS ( http://www.inksupply.com ) which I originally decided to use in a Canon 8200 (set up for new Canon BCI-6 inks) because I also have an old HP 694C that I had gotten good black refill for from them. The HP is still being used for text and I thought, if they had good ink for both, it would save on shipping at the point where I need ink for both.

The description of the Weink empty cartridges fits what the MIS ones are. But, Don Walker, I would hesitate to do your in printer refilling. The reason is a fear of dropping the stopper (or plug, or whatever you think of it as) into the printer and not being able to retrive it, then have it damage some of the moving parts in the printer.

I have recently gone from the 8200 (because of an out or warranty motor problem on a unit originally purchased used) to the S-800. In the process, of course, got the sample pack of Canon PPP. I did a comparison of that to the Jet Print Professional that I had earlier settled on with the 8200. There is a little difference in the surface of the two papers and hence the "look" of the printouts; but using the original Canon ink that came with the new printer I can't see enough differences to be worth the difference in price. I am just printing for my own, friends, and fellow church members enjoyment. So, my standards may be different than those of a professional.
Jane
 
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