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jetstream said:
it is not weatherproof!
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weatherproof is a meaningless term -- even more so than water proof. is sitting in 125 degree heat in Riyadh weather? is a 140mph hurricane weather? what exactly are you "proofing" against.

just making a silly point really as your original comment has little to do with weather proofing however its defined. zoom lenses are not sealed to air so any time you take a cool lens into a moist environment you are going to get fogging. any lens -- has nothing to do with whether the lens has gasketing or not.

...dav
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dannv said:
jetstream said:
it is not weatherproof!
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weatherproof is a meaningless term -- even more so than water proof.
is sitting in 125 degree heat in Riyadh weather? is a 140mph
hurricane weather? what exactly are you "proofing" against.
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hehehe, sunshine an summerwarmth.

All my lenses are weatherproof as i can use them all during summertime, hat i canll weatherproof.

;-)

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I've had my D100 in a complete downpour and it survived along with the 70-200mm 2.8 VR.
 
davephdv said:
And I am one of those crazy fools that dives with his D2X at 200 ft.
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But I bet you put it in an underwater housing first -- I think the other poster was referring to someone who would attempt it without one.

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some have seals but who cares? surface tension keeps rain out of almost all the lenses worth using. i had my D200 and 20mm drenched and dripping wet the same week i got it. all works a solid year later, no sign of damage. the 20mm and other AF primes are probably the least sealed lenses around too.

just think about how difficult it would be to get water to the internal lens elements using only rain. even if you a little water passed the mount, is your camera going to burst into flames? get real, nothing will happen until you actually have water accumulating in there and flood the camera to the point that it can overcome the water repelancy of the lubricants and wash them around, off the moving parts, onto the optical surfaces. thats a lot of water, just be careful when your changing lenses.

as for electronics, let them dry and chances are, they will work. the boards in most electronics are actually washed in soapy tap water after soldering and dried out before they are put in their products and sold.

if you do get a flooded camera for whatever reason, thats another problem. take out the battery, dry it out, hope for the best.
 
All I can say is that Nikon weather sealed lenses are the following and that's it:
dannv said:
AF-S 17-55/2.8 DX
AF-S 70-200/2.8 VR
AF-S 200/2.0 VR
AF-S 200-400/4.0 VR
AF-S 300/2.8 VR
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This list comes from Nikon, not me...

I know that Canon L lenses are also weatherproof, so it must mean something, otherwise, neither Nikon nor Canon would publish such list
 
Anastigmat said:
The Nikonian can always trot out the Nikonos.
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And it don't get any more weather-proof than that!

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Bakes5 said:
This is my biggest beef with my Nikon collection. Seems like there
are plenty of canon folks out there shooting in the rain and getting
their camera occasionally soaked on the boat and not ruining their
equipment. (they are using the good stuff like the 1D and the L
series lenses, but the point is they can do it)

I know my D200 has weather seals, but I have no faith in my lenses to
repel H2O and generally run away when the weather turns dark. Are
there any nikon lenses out there that will take a splash or two? How
do y'all keep shooting when things get wet
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With one of Nikon's weather sealed lenses on your D200 you should not have a problem. The D200 with the 17-55 f/2.8 (with a protective UV filter) is my foul weather combo. It has seen plenty of rain without any problem. Occasionally wipe the filter dry and finally wipe off the camera and lens when I stop shooting.
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Not even close. In fact, I bumped mine on a dirt surface, getting dirt on the external areas of the lens. Next there was dirt on the inside front lens element. There is one rubber seal on the rear mount, and what looks like a mildly protective rubber piece around the front element. I was able to get a lot of the dust out by blowing air into the rear mount area. There is a space between the body and the rear lens element.

A proven sealed DSLR is the Oly E-1. And yes, I've used it in pouring rain. The only Oly lenses that are not sealed, are the standard grade lenses. The mid and pro grade all are.
 
dannv said:
jetstream said:
it is not weatherproof!
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weatherproof is a meaningless term -- even more so than water proof.
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Perhaps. But there are standards. On

http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/digitalcamera/coolpix/s2/index.htm

Nikon states under water resistance for that camera:

Equivalent to IEC 60529 IPX4 (splash proof)*
  • Based on Nikon test results. The all-weather metal
body of the COOLPIX S2 offers splash proof water
resistance. It is not waterproof and should never
be immersed in water.

This is in contrast to some of the Oly Styluses, which are
rates IPX7 or IPX8--immersible and submergible respectively.

The 105VR has the rubber lip on it, just like the 17-55,
but unlike the 12-24, which lacks it. However, the 17-55
isn't an internal-only zoom the way the 12-24 and 70-200VR are.

--tom
 
Tom Christiansen said:
Perhaps. But there are standards. On
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uh, yes. that's my point -- and "weatherproof" is not among them.
Tom Christiansen said:
Equivalent to IEC 60529 IPX4 (splash proof)*
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if you get the standards docs (i use US mil-spec myself since i'm more familiar with it) you'll find standards for all sorts of things: splash proof, water proof, shock proof, vibration proof, spark proof (is YOUR camera safe to use around open petrol fumes??), etc. -- weatherproof ain't one of them.

for those interested, i'll give you a personal interpretation: Nikon pro bodies meet splash proof requirements. this includes things like light rain (i'll leave it to you to define 'light' ;), and ocean spray (assuming the salt residue is cleaned promptly but that's a different problem). a good way to visualize splash proof is if you have water droplets on your camera in sufficient volume to begin running down the sides, a splash proof camera will suffer no ill effects.

the weak point in this scenario is the lens mount. where its unlikely but possible water running down the body could enter. the gasketed lenses solve this problem and this problem only.

they do not make the camera water proof. (water proof begins with immersion (partial or otherwise) or any situation where water can push against joins with force)...dav
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josephho said:
nothing will happen until you actually have water accumulating
in there and flood the camera to the point that it can overcome the
water repelancy of the lubricants and wash them around, off the
moving parts, onto the optical surfaces.
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this is an overly optimistic scenario. once the water gets 'in' it can begin to cause all sorts of problems. some permanent, others not. but, with bad luck, it takes a surprisingly small amount of water to be a real problem. i've got a 300mm dead on a shelf right now because a few drops of water got in and fried the AFS motor. even manual is not useful because of the spots on the rear element.
josephho said:
as for electronics, let them dry and chances are, they will work.
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agreed.
josephho said:
the
boards in most electronics are actually washed in soapy tap water
after soldering and dried out before they are put in their products
and sold.
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yes, but this is not done with power applied to the boards. still your advice below is pretty good but i'll add one word to improve it...
josephho said:
if you do get a flooded camera for whatever reason, thats another
problem. take out the battery immediately , dry it out, hope for the best.
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...dav
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don't wait for technology -- it won't wait for you
 
dannv said:
Tom Christiansen said:
Perhaps. But there are standards. On
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uh, yes. that's my point -- and "weatherproof" is not among them.
dannv said:
Equivalent to IEC 60529 IPX4 (splash proof)*
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if you get the standards docs (i use US mil-spec myself since i'm
more familiar with it) you'll find standards for all sorts of things:
splash proof, water proof, shock proof, vibration proof, spark proof
(is YOUR camera safe to use around open petrol fumes??), etc. --
weatherproof ain't one of them.
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Yah, ok.

--tom
 
jetstream said:
All I can say is that Nikon weather sealed lenses are the following
and that's it:
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Don't think so.
jetstream said:
jetstream said:
AF-S 17-55/2.8 DX
AF-S 70-200/2.8 VR
AF-S 200/2.0 VR
AF-S 200-400/4.0 VR
AF-S 300/2.8 VR
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This list comes from Nikon, not me...
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Are you deriving that from the description, or is there a separate
list? I cannot see anything different in the rubber lip on the 17-55
from the one on the 105VR, for example. I think even the 70-300VR
has it, although the 12-24 actually does not. I think they just aren't
waving that flag very vigorously, but the little rubber lip is going in
many of the new lenses.

If they truly splash proof (IPX2 or whatnot) they'd say so.

-tom
 
I've had my D200 and Sigma 70-200 2.8 out in heavy snow fall for a few hours. Didn't have any protection other than shielding the lens and mount with my hands when walking. The D200 was covered in snow much of the time but since it wasn't melting I wasn't too worried and just brushed off whatever got in my way. Bringing it inside the snow melted quickly and the camera got fairly wet, I just wiped off any excess water and let it air dry. No problems at all.

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