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Hey, I just realized that the Sony IS is not optical stabilization like some of the other mfrs use. The Sony IS system is similar to what Casio has on many cams in that it is software based. It tries to compensate from a software standpoint and when activated, it is more likely to crank up the ISO in order to capture the image. It's like digital zoom vs optical zoom. Still happy with my camera, but I feel I got duped into this one.

Optical IS is the preferred method.

R.
 
don't know which it is, but if it isn't optical then maybe that why it automatically reaches for a higher ISO?

I'd be really interested to know if you ever find out!
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i think in thereview on this site it says the same gizmos used for the optical ataballisation are used to vibrate the dust off the sensor at shutdown must amit i would like to know
 
"Super Steady Shot" was introduced on the Alpha, and I can't find any info direct from Sony which refers to it as "optical" stabilization. This is because its not optical, its mechanical - using the CCD-shift method (a piezoelectric device I believe, also enables dust removal). The advantage to this method for a dSLR is that special stabilized lenses are not necessary.

On the other hand, info on the latest compact Sonys does refer to Super Steady Shot as "optical image stabilization", so it may be a different system since moving the CCD (versus a lens element) would not be advantageous in a compact with a fixed lens. Either way, it works and can do just fine without increasing the ISO. I think the packaging on my W200 referred to "double" image stabilization or something, where they are suggesting the extended high-ISO capability can be considered another way of stabilizing the image. Haven't noticed any ISO shift when enabling/disabling Steady Shot myself, but I will try it out.

Once again, some people here are stating things as fact which cannot be independently verified (where is the reference?). Why not just acknowledge that we're all just guessing here to some extent ;)
 
keberts said:
"Super Steady Shot" was introduced on the Alpha, and I can't find any
info direct from Sony which refers to it as "optical" stabilization.
This is because its not optical, its mechanical - using the CCD-shift
method (a piezoelectric device I believe, also enables dust removal).
The advantage to this method for a dSLR is that special stabilized
lenses are not necessary.
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You're right that I was wrong (or incomplete) with the "optical" part: "Super Steady Shot", and you're wrong that they introduced it on the Alpha.

Super Steady Shot has been used by Sony for years on their video cams, it's an optical system they developed together with Canon. So they were the pioneers of this technique.

I agree that with their release of the (Minolta-based) Alpha, the term Super Steady Shot is not only for optical solutions anymore, but still refers to mechanical solutions instead of purely software based.

Of course nowadays they combine mechanical solutions with software changes (ISO etc) to get optimal results. Nobody said they couldn't that?

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oVan said:
You're right that I was wrong (or incomplete) with the "optical"
part: "Super Steady Shot", and you're wrong that they introduced it
on the Alpha.
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Ah yes, I should have specified - the Alpha was the first Sony still camera to use this technology (I believe). Still seems to refer to multiple methods of accomplishing the same thing, so its anybody's guess as to which they're using.
 
thanks for the feedback. I'm still working on posting pic comparisons for the 850is and the t100. I think I will use Photobucket and upload at highest possible quality. Can I provide separate links to each photograph? Or Ideally present 'groups' of photos so I can show some side by sides?

I haven't found that yet, but I've been swamped.

RJ
 
RJ Moore said:
thanks for the feedback. I'm still working on posting pic comparisons
for the 850is and the t100. I think I will use Photobucket and upload
at highest possible quality. Can I provide separate links to each
photograph? Or Ideally present 'groups' of photos so I can show some
side by sides?
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yep, that would be nice! ;)
they would have to be full size to compare them.

i always use divshare.com they alway create a thumbnail and you can choose the size you want to post! i think it is not necessary to present them in groups. anyone who wants to compare them will download the full size sample anyway!
 
The T-Series beginning with the T9 uses a lens-based Optical Image Stabilization built into its lens module.
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R2D2 said:
The T-Series beginning with the T9 uses a lens-based Optical Image
Stabilization built into its lens module.
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Ok. Care to offer your source?

If more people would back up what they say on these forums, all this great information we compile would be far more reliable... and therefore useful.
 
keberts said:
Ok. Care to offer your source?
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From the horse's mouth...

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=1003772

http://www.sony.co.id/microsites/dsc-t100/spec.html

http://sonystyle.ca/html/CybershotGlossary/03.html

And the reviews from the Big Boys...

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/T100/T100A.HTM

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/sony/dsc_t100-review/index.shtml

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-T100-Digital-Camera-Review-13277/Components.htm

http://www.dcviews.com/_sony/t100.htm

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/t9.html

When I was researching the T9, I also read an article by Sony on their new lens module and how it incorporated the (revolutionary) world's smallest lens-based Optical Image Stabilization system. Can't find it now though - maybe do a search if you would like.
keberts said:
If more people would back up what they say on these forums, all this
great information we compile would be far more reliable... and
therefore useful.
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HeHe. And I thought that my word was considered "The WORD" ;-)

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R2D2 said:
HeHe. And I thought that my word was considered "The WORD" ;-)

R2
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Thanks!

I was unaware, as would be most casual readers, of your depth of knowlege. Links are great, but I understand they take some time/effort to include. A simple "I've read on wiki" would suffice, but thanks all the same.
 
keberts said:
I was unaware, as would be most casual readers, of your depth of
knowlege.
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I was indeed joking about that, though I do always try my utmost to get the facts straight (and better yet keep my mouth shut when I know naught). I agree 100% that supplying an off-the-cuff answer that turns out to be incorrect does a huge disservice to the reader.

In fact I had just finished reading a thread over on one of the Canon fora about Expertise, Egos, and Evidence (or the supplied lack thereof). And just thought I'd be a wise-cracker. Your post was a perfect opportunity! :-)
keberts said:
Links are great, but I understand they take some
time/effort to include.
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I often find myself either too lazy, or too busy to supply a proper answer. There's usually so much I'd like to opine on, but more often find myself simply posting "Nice picture," or "Great camera," without providing the reasoning behind the statement, which would of course be the real benefit to the poster.
keberts said:
A simple "I've read on wiki" would suffice, but thanks all the same.
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And I wouldn't put 100% trust in Wikipedia either. The info is only as good as the source. ;-)

Cheers. I think you'll make a great member here.
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