How to take group picture of 500 people?

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Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
 
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
Well firstly, not using digital! This is the domain of large format cameras, or scanning panoramic cameras. 500 people is a lot! Outside you could be talking serious lighting and a cherry picker to shoot from.

You really need to supply some more details. Who are these people, where are they standing, what's the shot going to be used for?
 
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
4X5 from the Goodyear blimp? You don't give much information. What's the end result going to be? An 8X10? A mural? Where do you have to shoot them? Do you have a budget?

Renting a bucket truck is a great(but scary) way to shoot large groups, but they aren't cheap.

500 people.

Geez.

I don't envy you.

Charge them heavy.--Just my opinion, and you know what opinions are like. Everybody has one.EB
 
This photo is for a church's 25th anniversary, Their ages are from 1 to 90 years ago. They have a very limited budget. They want to print a 20x30 photo. I want to use digital camera and PS to group them together.
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
Well firstly, not using digital! This is the domain of large format
cameras, or scanning panoramic cameras. 500 people is a lot!
Outside you could be talking serious lighting and a cherry picker
to shoot from.

You really need to supply some more details. Who are these people,
where are they standing, what's the shot going to be used for?
 
You cross posted to Nikon and Canon forums. Were you planning to buy a digital camera for this purpose, or do you already own one?

You won't get 500 people to sit still enough to do a digital/photoshop stiching panorama (I think that's what you're hinting at). The resolution of digital SLRs just isn't going to cut it with 500 people - it's going to be too low to capture the fine detail on faces.

Your first problem is to set up the camera where you can see everyone. Again - too many people to have them kneel / sit stand - you need to get above the ground, so hiring 'cherry pickers' etc. might be needed - or use tiered seating.

Lighting - you'll need to back up and have lots of coverage. A camera mount flash head isn't going to cut it. If you shot at the right time of day you might not need fill flash.

You might get away with hiring a 6x12 or 6x9 medium format camera, but a large format one would give you the results you need.

Sorry if this isn't the news you want to hear, but it's a big job!
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
Well firstly, not using digital! This is the domain of large format
cameras, or scanning panoramic cameras. 500 people is a lot!
Outside you could be talking serious lighting and a cherry picker
to shoot from.

You really need to supply some more details. Who are these people,
where are they standing, what's the shot going to be used for?
 
Thank you for your info. I already have a DSLR, I guess that won't do the job.
You won't get 500 people to sit still enough to do a
digital/photoshop stiching panorama (I think that's what you're
hinting at). The resolution of digital SLRs just isn't going to cut
it with 500 people - it's going to be too low to capture the fine
detail on faces.

Your first problem is to set up the camera where you can see
everyone. Again - too many people to have them kneel / sit stand -
you need to get above the ground, so hiring 'cherry pickers' etc.
might be needed - or use tiered seating.

Lighting - you'll need to back up and have lots of coverage. A
camera mount flash head isn't going to cut it. If you shot at the
right time of day you might not need fill flash.

You might get away with hiring a 6x12 or 6x9 medium format camera,
but a large format one would give you the results you need.

Sorry if this isn't the news you want to hear, but it's a big job!
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
Well firstly, not using digital! This is the domain of large format
cameras, or scanning panoramic cameras. 500 people is a lot!
Outside you could be talking serious lighting and a cherry picker
to shoot from.

You really need to supply some more details. Who are these people,
where are they standing, what's the shot going to be used for?
 
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
Frank,

I have taken panoramas of people in arenas - about 3000 people. It can be messy at the seems, but for my purposes, faces were not important. They did not know I was taking the pix and certainly wouldn't have sat still if they did!!!

To answer your questions:

set focus to achieve maximum DOF - to have everybody in focus. If this outdoors, you should have plenty of light to work with.

Lens to use - as wide as possible - but not to introduce vignetting. And close enough to actually see faces...

Shutter speed - you should be able to get away with 1/60th or faster - enough to keep people still in the shot.

Fill flash - dunno if you can fill in enough to make it worth while....???

With everybody knowing about you taking the shot - you can get them to sit relatively still for a couple minutes - the kids will be the diffucult part. If you have to pan and stitch, then take many along the pan - so that you have alot to work with while stitching.

Good luck...
 
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
I'm assuming you're outdoors... build your group in layers, with as little space as possible between rows. You may not need to hire a cherry picker, although it would be great, you might get on top of a building, climb a tree, use a tall ladder, take advantage of a hill, playground facility, amphitheatre...

There are lots of ways to do this, but the principles are the same.
1. Set your focus one third of the way into the group to maximize dof.
2. Use your widest lens.

3. I would try to use 1/125 with corresponding f stop-1/125 at f11 or f16 are great combos (higher iso will give greater dof).

4. You can use fill, it won't hurt, but watch for sillhoutting-a fill probably won't be too effective on back rows..

Good luck-the most i've done is 375!

Dan Rosen
 
Have you considered taking 10 photos of 50 people in an attractive grouping and building
an artistic collage for the final picture?
 
Nope, I never have done this and hope I never will have to either! Last year. a guy from Hasslebald showed my professional association a humongous group shot of all of the ambassadors in the UN in one attempt... It took days to set up with many powerful lights.

If I had to do it on a budget, I'd use at least a 6x7 camera fitted with a 45mm lens (rent it if you have to), get up on the church roof or up on a lift (got a friend in the fire department?) I'd also shoot it on an overcast day which would be perfect....but how does one coordinate that? Choose morning and hope?

The ONLY lighting instrument I've seen that could hack such a job would be a number of those 2400 watt second long bulbs and the new flat 180 reflector from Photogenic. And with that, getting it evenly lit would be a task.

Maybe the previous poster was right...use the unique power of digital...shoot groups of say, 50, then use Photoshop to put them all together. I think I would take that appoach as long as I could shoot them all on the same day with approximately the same lighting. I'm still not sure if the DSLR would work here...I think I'd still use the 6x7 and scan them before assembly in Photoshop.

Boy I am glad I am not in your shoes! Good luck!

Regards,
Mike I.
Have you considered taking 10 photos of 50 people in an attractive
grouping and building
an artistic collage for the final picture?
 
Use a digital camera and take a series of shots for a panorama. Use Panorama Tools to stitch, export with masks in PSD format, import into Photoshop, and tweak the stitched areas so the faces look okay.

Experiment first... you don't want to disappoint 500 church-goers. Well, at least, not all at once!
 
What a challenge, I would look for a sympathetic stadium owner to let you seat 500 people - 50 per row x 10 rows - loads of pics at fixed focus and exposure from a high vantage point opposite - then get stitching. - would be great to see the result!
Use a digital camera and take a series of shots for a panorama. Use
Panorama Tools to stitch, export with masks in PSD format, import
into Photoshop, and tweak the stitched areas so the faces look okay.

Experiment first... you don't want to disappoint 500 church-goers.
Well, at least, not all at once!
--Vin
 
A friend of mine shoots a lot of large groups. He uses a 11x14 deardorf with split back to get two 7x14 shots per sheet of film.

I helped him out on several occasions. Focus back 1/3 from the front row and shoot ian hour ro two hours before sunrise or sunset. It it's a clear day you won't need any additional lighting. We used a 14 foot ladder with a camera mont on top.

I would arrange the 500 people in groups around the church. Sort of like family conveastion groups. This arrangment will give the photo more interest and if some people in one group moved it would be easier to strip in a better pose with photoshop than trying to cut and paste individual heads.

Just take your time and have enough helpers on hand to direct the people. You should use portable 2 way radios to keep in touch.
Use a digital camera and take a series of shots for a panorama. Use
Panorama Tools to stitch, export with masks in PSD format, import
into Photoshop, and tweak the stitched areas so the faces look okay.

Experiment first... you don't want to disappoint 500 church-goers.
Well, at least, not all at once!
--
Vin
 
Mike and Frank,

I have talked with some of the people who were at the UN photo shoot that Mike mentioned, and I am impressed with their work.

Here is a website link with the story:

http://www.vad1.com/photo/ultimate-photo-shoot/

Frank, I think you've gotten some good advise from other posters, so Good Luck! Let us know how it goes.

Paul
Nope, I never have done this and hope I never will have to either!
Last year. a guy from Hasslebald showed my professional association
a humongous group shot of all of the ambassadors in the UN in one
attempt... It took days to set up with many powerful lights.
 
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
I'm not sure if you expect to include the church in the shot too? If it is just a people shot it might be easier to coordinate and get consistent lighting by hiring a pro basketball stadium for a few hours. Good even lighting (but may not suit film, only digital?). Either use the tiered seating or put everyone on the central better lit floor and you go up. You wouldn't have quite the same depth of field as sunlight though. Just an idle thought because I have stitched 5 stadium shots together in the past to create a panorama crowd shot to good effect.--Doug JonesCanberra http://www.panamagic.com.au
 
Forget about resolution. Forget about trying to see their faces. Unless you're going to go rent a medium format panoramic camera, like a Noblex or a Fuji 6x17. Here's an idea. Have all the people who work at the church wear white shirts. They're in the center. Have all the teenagers wear yellow shirts. Have all the people over 70 yrs. old wear blue shirts. Have all the Moms & Dads, like, 25-50 yrs. old wear green shirts. Make a pattern of everyone. Make them stand so that the group becomes a rainbow or a cross or something like that. Get it? You'll never be able to see all their faces clearly if they're "on a budget" so do the next best thing. Get them on a giant lawn somewhere and shoot them from the roof of a tall building. Shoot film. Don't worry about panoramic. Just shoot it for an 8x10 (or x12) print. Print 'em cheap @ a wholesale lab.--'When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro', H.S.T, Dr. of Gonzo Journalism
 
Can you give me advice of how to take group picture of 500 people?
1) Where to set the focus.
2) Which lens to use?
3) Shutter speed setting.
4) Fill flash under sunlight?
Thanks.
I posted a reply to this in the Canon SLR newsgroup, but I realize now that the example I gave was a shoot of a different nature to your current dilemma. In that one we basicly used the 450 private school students as a large scale prop in the background for the smaller grouping in the foreground who were the actual focus of the shot. Here you want everyone recognizable and I have to agree with the last poster that it's not likely that will happen.

I assume from the way you phrased your question ... you didn't ask for advice on which format to use etc. ... that you're most comfortable with 35mm or it's digital equivalent. Therefore all the advice you've recieved on renting large format equipment, studio strobes etc., while well meant, is kind of irrelevant to the situation, and along with the forklift/cherry picker suggestions, way beyond your modest budget.
So you've got 500 people, no budget and a church as a background.
Have you thought about shooting it inside?

Assuming your church has a balcony, the capacity and half decent lighting... you could set yourself up in the first row of the balcony, everyone stands in rows in the pews facing to the back of the church ( the pews will help to naturallly organize and space the crowd) the overflow can go in the choir pews, center aisle, sides and up by the altar.

I would contradict my previous advice and recomend that you shoot a panorama, camera in portrait orientation, from that position. This way you could swing around to get the first couple rows of the balcony in the shot, and in these first few rows close to the camera you could position the reverend/priest/preacher/main religous guy and some of the elders or key members of the congregation. It should be entirely possible to light them with an off-camera 480 EX, blended in with the existing light exposure of course ... they'll only be about 10 ft. away from you ... then turn the flash off for the remainder of the existing light exposures of the congregation as you rotate around.

You'll have a good sense of depth to the photo with the people close to the camera, the church altar and, presumably, stained glass windows will make a great background, the pews will make it a breeze to organize people in rows, you'll be using a format you're comfortable with, and no rentals, fork-lifts or any other nonsense. Plus you can do the shot even if it rains on the day, and the added benefit is you can do a dry run to see what it's going to look like this Sunday... which is more than can be said of the idea of shooting everyone outside.
Suggestions:

Distribute a notice to the congregation on the weeks leading up to the shooting date that outlines in simple terms the requirements for shooting panoramas, noting that because of the necessary overlap in the images and the long exposure, everyone must remain very still during the taking of the photo including, and this is important, the people who are out of any given shot being taken. Even if the camera is not directly pointing at them they must remain still because 500 people are easily distracted.

Never shot a panorama before? Buy MGI's PhotoVista. Won't take more than a few tries to get the hang of it. Very easy to use. ( Church should foot the expense)

Shoot film not digital to get around multiplier effect and when shooting use the longest focal length that will provide coverage for the shot. Remember wide angle lenses distort distances. If you shoot with a 20mm, people 30 ft. away are going to look like they are 60 ft. away or more. I once shot a Siberian Tiger for a car promo while inching my way along at ground level with a 20mm lens. After the trainer warned me I was too close I took the camera away from my eye and nearly had a heart attack. Although it looked like a safe distance through the lens I was actually only about 6 ft. in front of a full grown tiger, lying there prone on the ground like a tempting little canape. Good thing he must have thought that anyone that stupid couldn't possible taste good as well :)

Talk to them about possibly shooting in B&W, and if they go for that look into Kodak Tech Pan film. It's slow but has amazing resolution. Haven't shot it in years so I'm not even sure if it's still on the market. Check with local labs to make sure they can process it as well before proceeding. I would still shoot with a second body loaded with colour film as well if you go the B&W route.

Have the negs scanned to a five tier photo CD. Do the stitch ( hope you lots of RAM) Take the panorama file to a digital lab and have a 4x5 digital interneg done then run c-prints off that.

Work on ratcheting back expectations. Not all 500 people will be recognizable any way you do it.

Good luck, let us see the final result,
Doug Brown
Torontowide.com
 
The stadium route seems right to me. Location scout and get bleacher that will face the low afternoon sun. Maybe one of the 500 members could help find a location and.or help with a cherry picker. cherry pickers can create movement problems though, being on the ground is more stable. I would try and rent a MF camera.

Good luck!
Use a digital camera and take a series of shots for a panorama. Use
Panorama Tools to stitch, export with masks in PSD format, import
into Photoshop, and tweak the stitched areas so the faces look okay.

Experiment first... you don't want to disappoint 500 church-goers.
Well, at least, not all at once!
--
Vin
 
Not to be harsh here, but if you thought you could get anything but a mushy 20 X 30 print from a DSLR you should go to the pastor of your church and tell him you don't have enough experience to do this, and that he should hire someone who does. Save youself a lot of embarassment, and all the headaches for 500 people while you try to do the impossible.

Bud
Forget about resolution. Forget about trying to see their faces.
Unless you're going to go rent a medium format panoramic camera,
like a Noblex or a Fuji 6x17. Here's an idea. Have all the people
who work at the church wear white shirts. They're in the center.
Have all the teenagers wear yellow shirts. Have all the people
over 70 yrs. old wear blue shirts. Have all the Moms & Dads, like,
25-50 yrs. old wear green shirts. Make a pattern of everyone.
Make them stand so that the group becomes a rainbow or a cross or
something like that. Get it? You'll never be able to see all
their faces clearly if they're "on a budget" so do the next best
thing. Get them on a giant lawn somewhere and shoot them from the
roof of a tall building. Shoot film. Don't worry about panoramic.
Just shoot it for an 8x10 (or x12) print. Print 'em cheap @ a
wholesale lab.
--
'When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro', H.S.T, Dr. of
Gonzo Journalism
 
I had forgotten about this experience of mine until I read this post. Back in 1976 to celebrate the bicentenial, I shot a photo of an 800 student middle school. We painted the numerals 1976 on the lawn and had the students fill in the numbers. I went up on the school gymnasium roof and using a wide angle lens on a 35mm Nikon I took the picture which ran on the front page of the local newspaper. I agree that all of the faces did not show, but it was a keepsake that many students cherished. Several schools in my area now use a contract firm that sets up bleachers and using an old panoramic camera takes class pictures of 300+ students. They sell a 8X16 to the students. If you are printing a small reprint of this group the head size is not going to be very large to begin with, so I wouldn't be too concerned with having all the faces just right.
Forget about resolution. Forget about trying to see their faces.
Unless you're going to go rent a medium format panoramic camera,
like a Noblex or a Fuji 6x17. Here's an idea. Have all the people
who work at the church wear white shirts. They're in the center.
Have all the teenagers wear yellow shirts. Have all the people
over 70 yrs. old wear blue shirts. Have all the Moms & Dads, like,
25-50 yrs. old wear green shirts. Make a pattern of everyone.
Make them stand so that the group becomes a rainbow or a cross or
something like that. Get it? You'll never be able to see all
their faces clearly if they're "on a budget" so do the next best
thing. Get them on a giant lawn somewhere and shoot them from the
roof of a tall building. Shoot film. Don't worry about panoramic.
Just shoot it for an 8x10 (or x12) print. Print 'em cheap @ a
wholesale lab.
--
'When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro', H.S.T, Dr. of
Gonzo Journalism
 

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