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Addendum,

You may also like to know that if you contact Marc privately, I'm sure he will tell you fully what you would like to know. As to exact locations for his shots, he has multiple reasons for not letting others know, and it's not for jealous reasons. The environmental impact of everybody stampeding to that spot, for instance. But again, if you contact him privately, he would probably tell you.

See my other post on this.

Kevin
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My most recent work: http://home.comcast.net/~khilleg
 
So I've seen a few apologize already for misjudging a man without knowing him. Anyone else who would like to add themselves to the list, I've made it easy to reply beneath this post.

I know him mainly through another online website, and all I can say is that he is nothing like the person portrayed here (except through what he posted). In the future, if you'd like to know something about his work, contact him privately and I'm sure he'd be willing to at least get you going in the right direction. My experience is that he is a very open person and willing to discuss any subject about his work.

That's all, this post is done. Next time it would be better to be more respectful, folks.

Kevin
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My most recent work: http://home.comcast.net/~khilleg
 
Kevin H said:
So I've seen a few apologize already for misjudging a man without
knowing him. Anyone else who would like to add themselves to the
list, I've made it easy to reply beneath this post.
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I've taken a third and fourth look at my original comments here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=23793314

and I still don't see anything that needs to be apologized for.
Kevin H said:
In the future, if you'd like to know
something about his work, contact him privately
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Oh, well, thanks so much for telling us how we should handle things "in the
future".

I followed Phil's posting guidelines to "be civil" ... and I don't see much obligation
to much more than that in the future.

If Mr. Adamus is very sensitive about the comments people might make about
the images he might post on the Internet, maybe he should refrain from posting
them there, I'd suggest.
Kevin H said:
That's all, this post is done. Next time it would be better to be
more respectful, folks.
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And I think maybe you should be more respectful of the right people have
to politely discuss how images might have been created in a discussion
forum, such as this one here.
 
"Film ruled" reflects your thinking?

This may or may not be copyright infringement: the OP just links to photo.net. If they are posted by the owner, or with permission, then all is OK. Linking on a BBS to posted images is not copyright infringement, as far as I know.

In any case - if you were "wondering how you would have achieved the same" then you too were reverse engineering. It's natural, and there's nothing wrong with it. Try to ask a car mechanic if he worked it all out by himself, or if anyone told him their "secrets". Ask a mathematician the same. Ask ANYONE the same. Ask YOU the same: did your parents tell you "secrets", or did you work out everything yourself?

I think personally that there is nothing wrong with the OP's post and I am interested in what people tell him.
 
exactly. After you've learned the truth about it, you wish you wouldn't have asked. :-) It's so easy, that one either can do it or he can't, there isn't really a trick behind it.

But, for comfort (especially for me) : One could learn to accomplish it, by studying the light at certain places at certain times (dawn, dusk, "golden hour", etc.).

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happy shooting.
 
Qwntm wrote:
No made up names, or allusions to "Luminosity tweaks."
Qwntm said:
"Luminosity tweaks?" Exactly what does this mean? Marc seems to
disclose fully and yet say nothing. On another forum, he mentioned
a place he calls "the cualdron," on the Oregon coast. When asked
more specifically where he meant, he only mentioned it's a name he
made up for a place that's north of depot bay. Why the cloak and
dagger? Made up names. Smacks of an unwillingness to share openly.
It's this that I beleive is mostly causing any backlash against
him. (And it's not just me. As you might expect, most of my freinds
are photographers, and this sentiment is held by most.)
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Jeesh !
Tough room !
 
Henry W said:
It is so sad that a GREAT photog gets ripped by a bunch of little
wannabees who don't have the talent or won't make the effort to get
the FANTASTIC photos that Marc does.
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Yep...that is it exactly. It is my goal to be a contender in the landscape arena as well....but I dont see Marc's work as anything but raising the bar and keeping me on my toes...even if I do have a little "green eye" when I see his work.

My hat is off to him......he can only get better and eventually will be acknowledged in the halls of honor along side the greats....Like Ansel...and Galen.

His hard work and dedication to his craft....and his world shines in his work.

I say well done....and will be looking into going to one of his workshops.

Roman

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What will I be given today, and will I be open to see it?
Minor White
http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/
 
You say HDR is not necessary if you get the exposure dead-on. Practically, for most situations, that's true. Our cameras do very well and the umpteen stops of DR they get is fine.

But the dynamic range limitation is a fact of life with any technology. We still are confronted with many situations where we either have to choose between blowing the high end or losing the low end. That's where HDR comes in. Of course there are other techniques, such as using gradiated ND filters, but HDR is just one more technique. (Although I have to admit, doing HDR is definitely tedious like doing panoramic stitching.)

That said, I'm not suggesting that any technique has to be pushed on anyone. No technique or equipment is absolutely necessary. Part of the fun is making those personal choices. I just think HDR is worth a closer look. :)

Kaz
 
After spending some time in workshops with truly talented people (i'm not one of them), some people really are that good. It's never good to generalize, but these images show extreme care and patience in the original capture. Seeing the reflections, getting the viewpoint and composition, waiting for light, getting exposure right. Looks like some work with graduated filters, too.

If I had to guess, the out of camera images are probably near perfect, with some minor PP tweaks.

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Jeff
 
Qwntm said:
I think his work is what it is. I think his PP'ing is severe, and
might give Galen fits ethically, but I respect his effort.
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Assuming that "Galen" might be Galen Rowell, I find that remark to be a bit humorous. Many (but perhaps not quite all) color landscape and nature photographers make statements about being faithful to the colors of the original scene.

Being a frequent and appreciative visitor to the Mountain Light Gallery in Bishop on my many trips to the eastern Sierra, I've always chuckled to myself as I looked at the very compelling Rowell prints in proximity to the galleries statements about this. In many of his fine images, the effects of saturation and other color adjustments, use of ND filters, and other kinds of post processing are pretty obvious components of his work.

I don't say this as a negative criticism of Rowell's photography at all, just as an acknowledgment that there are damned few photographers who eschew the use of techniques that create photographs that are more true to their vision.

One more comment. While I often appreciate it when I can read in plain form about the techniques employed by photographers (or painters, or musicians, etc.) in the creation of their work, this is the first time I've seen anyone flame an artist for not being willing to go into great detail about their technique just because someone, somewhere posted something negative about it. I can't speak for Marc, but many artists care a lot more about creating art than taking the time to explain their technical process.

Take care,

Dan
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G Dan Mitchell
SF Bay Area
http://www.gdanmitchell.com/
 
In the middle ages, and in the Renaissance, young artists would apprentice to a painter or sculptor, who would teach them how to paint or sculpt in their style. Then, as the artist developed, he would begin to develop his own style, at which point, he would then set out on his own.

For hundreds of years that is how people learned art. Michelangelo, Leonardo de Vinci, Botticelli, Raphael, etc. They all learned via this method. What is wrong with trying to find out how someone else does their craft, in order to see if there is something that can be learned in order to achieve one's own ideas?

I agree that the OP should not have posted the pictures without the photographer's permission, since the photographer is alive and is able to answer such a request. Who knows, he might even be willing to share his technique. The best photographers I have known have been more than willing to share their techniques, sometimes even with their competitors. They view their work more as a craft than a competition.
Maybe one day we can cultivate such an attitude at DPReview?

Regards,
klinux
 
Kevin H said:
Addendum,

You may also like to know that if you contact Marc privately, I'm
sure he will tell you fully what you would like to know. As to
exact locations for his shots, he has multiple reasons for not
letting others know, and it's not for jealous reasons. The
environmental impact of everybody stampeding to that spot, for
instance. But again, if you contact him privately, he would
probably tell you.
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Private disclosure only... Yeh, just like Ansel Adams and Galen Rowel.

As for environmental impact... have you ever even been to the Oregon coast?

There are picnic areas set up in most of these places with BUS parking. Seriously.

Sorry neither of your ideas work for me.

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Edward
http://www.wildlightgallery.net
http://www.pbase.com/qwntm
 
Focal64 said:
Focal64 said:
"Luminosity tweaks?" Exactly what does this mean? Marc seems to
disclose fully and yet say nothing. On another forum, he mentioned
a place he calls "the cualdron," on the Oregon coast. When asked
more specifically where he meant, he only mentioned it's a name he
made up for a place that's north of depot bay. Why the cloak and
dagger? Made up names. Smacks of an unwillingness to share openly.
It's this that I beleive is mostly causing any backlash against
him. (And it's not just me. As you might expect, most of my freinds
are photographers, and this sentiment is held by most.)
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Jeesh !
Tough room !
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Well, the standards for Landscape credibility I am forwarding were set by Ansel Adams and Galen Rowel, so yeh, it's a tough life...

--
Edward
http://www.wildlightgallery.net
http://www.pbase.com/qwntm
 
gdanmitchell said:
One more comment. While I often appreciate it when I can read in
plain form about the techniques employed by photographers (or
painters, or musicians, etc.) in the creation of their work, this
is the first time I've seen anyone flame an artist for not being
willing to go into great detail about their technique just because
someone, somewhere posted something negative about it. I can't
speak for Marc, but many artists care a lot more about creating art
than taking the time to explain their technical process.
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Dan, the precedent for full disclosure regarding landscape photography was set by Ansels three books and Galen's books and especially his articles written for Outdoor Photography which very much dealt with the ethics of landscape and environment art.

And where's the flames? I'm just pointing out a few ideas and precedents regarding why Marc may be getting some flak, that's all...

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Edward
http://www.wildlightgallery.net
http://www.pbase.com/qwntm
 
Kevin H said:
My suggestion to you is to 1) ask him directly about what info you
are seeking or 2) attend one of his workshops. Either one will
gain much more knowledge than criticizing him for not answering all
these posts with a indepth dissertation of his methods.

And, BTW, this post was thrust upon him and was not started by
anyone he knew. IOW, he got side-swiped by someone who actually
just wondered "how does he do it?" but it quickly degraded into PS
fakery accusations. The fact that he spent the time to come over
to rebut/talk about what he does & a quick how he does it should be
accepted with gratitude, not contempt. It's not cloak and dagger,
it's responding to 95+ posts. He would rather shoot pictures,
which would you rather do?

A little more respect is in order here, sir.

Kevin
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My most recent work: http://home.comcast.net/~khilleg
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It's not about going into in depth technical discussions, it's about answering the questions more directly when he does answer them, that's my "beef" if you want to think I have a "beef" at all, which actually I don't.

As for "more respect" what are you talking about? Show me one instance of disrespect in any way on my part.

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Edward
http://www.wildlightgallery.net
http://www.pbase.com/qwntm
 
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