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cs 3 showdow & highlight
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Peano
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If you dupe the image and convert that layer to a smart object, the s/h filter will work as an adjustment layer.
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Oddly, imo, you don't even have to dupe the layer, which I assume is what you meant. If you make the background layer a smart object it automatically changes it to 'Layer 0'.
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I didn't think of that, but yes it works just as you say. So we can promote that from opinion to fact.
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Thanks, I'm trying to decide if I need to upgrade from cs2 and I was going to be dissapointed if hadn't added this feature. I find showdows & highlights a real asset in some cases but I hate to duplicate a layer & double the file size. The gigs go a lot faster than they used too. Bob
All filters can also be put on 'adjustment/smart layers'.
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Steve Bingham
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Double click the original layer (in Layers). It now becomes Layer 0. You can now use Filter - Convert for Smart Filter. Bingo. Image-Adjust-Shadows/Highlight.
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WineO
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You have always been able to use shadow / highlight as a layer. Duplicate the layer and then click on the eye in the background layer to turn it off. Now use shadow / highlight in the usual way and then turn the background layer on and you have the original layer below the altered background copy layer.
Claude
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Yes . . but that is quite a bit different than a Smart object layer, where (as with an adjustment layer), layers below it, can be changed and their edits reflect right through your smart object layer.
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No double click necessary.... just convert to smart filter and it becomes a layer 0, then run the filter or adjustment.
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Barry Pearson
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Although you have probably got the answer you want, it might be worth pointing out that Shadow/Highlight will never be supported like other adjustments, only like filters.
It was really a mistake ever putting Shadow/Highlight in the Adjustments menu - it is really a filter. The difference is (with I believe just this one anomaly):
- Adjustments work on each pixel individually, without taking surrounding pixels into account. So they never, for example, have a Radius parameter. This presumably means that the underlying code is similar for all of them.
- Filters work by taking surrounding pixels into account, (and so often have a Radius parameter to control this). At least - I don't know of any that don't act like this. Shadow/Highlight is like this. Effects like this are much harder to make non-destructive and to render, especially both of these together. I believe effects like Warp are particularly tricky.
Good explanations. I might add that I was puzzled to find a certain number of adjustments both in the layer adjustments AND the filters menu (in Elements). For instance, equalize, photo filter, gradient map... I think the reason is that in the filter menu, you can still work in 16 bits mode, whereas you have no layers in this mode. I would advise Elements 5 users wishing to use 16 bits mode to take advantage of the following opportunities:
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Michel B
- Using ACR 4.1 fully and working in 16 bits mode, whether you start with raw or jpegs. (Easy way to convert any jpeg to 16 bits .PSD)
- knowing all commands and filters available in 16 bits, there are a lot of them, and most plug-ins like Ptlens, smartcurve etc are available in 16 bits.
- Converting to 8 bits for local adjustments, masking, blending layers...
- Sometimes you might want to process different parts of an image, or different versions of a raw image in 16 bits to avoid posterization, and then recombine them in 8 bits.
- Since adjustments layers are not available in every case, you can create pseudo snapshots in hidden layers to keep track of different steps. The file size penalty is not so important in 8 bits mode.
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Michel B
John Nack has a good blog which goes into details as to why Smart Filters came about, explaining who performance, file size, editabliity came into play when the Photoshop team set about converting things to non destructive adjustment layers. It's an interesting read -
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/12/the_secret_life_of_sf.html
He addresses a couple of the shortcomings (IMO) of Smart filters (namely, being able to apply only one layer/filter mask per smart object, regardless of the number of filters you are applying to it).
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Barry Pearson
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Thanks, I couldn't remember where I got the info!
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