Those who are getting better results and those who are not getting better results all share something in common with each other but not with you. They actually own 1D3 bodies and are offering more than Internet research blanketed in arrogance. Are you that way in all aspects of your life?
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MK III focus issued SOLVED! PERIOD!
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blackhawk13
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--Well if they think their camera is defective, they should send it to Canon rather than ***** here!
Just like with the 50L, I'm not seeing enough to convince me not to buy it.
Just the opposite, the pictures I'm seeing are stunning.
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Wasn't this thread about the so called MkIII focus issue???? hello?? since when it became a thread about my personality?call me whatever you feel like BUT we were supposed to talk about the MkIII... I guess that passed as a 2nd priority since it's gettin' more&more obvious that THERE WAS NO ISSUE AT ALL so now everybody shuts up or are just too busy with those Cfn's and BIFS 
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And what is this thing about internet research?? My Logic is right and that's all that matters...i've come across that video by chance while surfing on canon's website....since when surfing on 1 website is a internet research? lool
Some of the owners are just ridiculously ashamed that they've been put down by someone who never owned a MkII or MkIII ("just" a 350D)...many owners have jumped to bad conclusions and now have Big doubts.
) !!And what is this thing about internet research?? My Logic is right and that's all that matters...i've come across that video by chance while surfing on canon's website....since when surfing on 1 website is a internet research? lool
Some of the owners are just ridiculously ashamed that they've been put down by someone who never owned a MkII or MkIII ("just" a 350D)...many owners have jumped to bad conclusions and now have Big doubts.
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plevyadophy
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I am not quite sure (I haven't bothered to check) but I think this is the first time that I have posted to any Canon Forum (I don't own a Canon camera)
But I was driven to post here to register my displeasure at the stinking attitude of too many (and what seems like the majority) of you in this thread.
Firstly, some have you have come out with that tired old bullsh*t about someone (in this case the oriiginal poster(OP)) not owning a particular camera therefore is not qualified to comment. UTTER NONSENSE!!!
No lets see, lets do what a learned law professor once said, that is take a position/argument to its logical conclusion. So do I take it that those of you who support a football team should say nothing about the team's performance given that you have never played football professonally?!!!! Or when you go to buy a house, you shouldn't pass comment on the look of the building or the decor because you are neither a builder or decorator?!!!!! The idea is proposterous!!!
Then there is the notion that the original poster is arrogant. Well, I am afraid those of you who have said, or think that, need to go and look up the word in a dicitonary for the OP has not exhibited the typical traits of arrogance (oberbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner towards inferiors; haughtiness; lordliness etc).
The OP's original post can be seen as provocative in its tone (given that he is addressing people who have spent serious money on their camera they are gonna be a little prickly) and certainly presumptious (especially in the way that he states as a fact that there is no problem) and assertive. But arrogant? No.
I think that many of the people who have responded to this thread are overly blinkered/anal in their attitude; kinda too defensive of their brand/model. Or perhaps find it hard to accept that maybe, just maybe the solution to the problem is a simple and overlooked one.
So why am I driven to post here? Well, I have been following developments regarding this camera and when I saw the spec list I was mightlily impressed. Then a few weeks ago I was lucky enough to attend a Canon launch of this camera and was able to get my hands on the beast. I pretty much fell in love with the camera (even though it is way too much camera for the likes of me) and would certainly have bought it on impulse if it was on sale on that day.
My assessment of this matter (assuming I have your permission to make an assessment given that I don't own the 1D-MkIII !!!!) is as follows:
1. It is possible that RG got a bad batch of cameras. It is not unknown for an initial run of a product to be faulty or even for there to be faulty models coming from a particular factory or even part of a factory/plant. (Sony for example are well known these days for producing cr@p in the initial run of pretty much everything they make, well nearly everything)
2. Having read numerous posts, it does seem that some people have found a solution to the focusing problems. So maybe just maybe RG, for all his experience, has missed something in the settings or a combination of settings. And some of those people have said that they too were using the camera in similar weather conditions to RG.
3. It may well be that the camera needs to have its AF settings altered whenever the shooting conditions or the subject matter changes. Now this would be a problem if Canon hasn't made this clear to buyers either in the User Manual or on their website (but lack of info on the Canon website wouldn't surprise me as the Canon main site is rubbish from my experience as a user of two of their products, a printer and a scanner). A further problem would be if the AF settings need to be changed constantly but there is no quick/easy way of so doing.
4. It seems that there is still something of a learning curve with this camera EVEN IF you are a pro user of their 1D-MkII cams.
5. This issue regarding the cameras performance in varying weather conditions needs to be looked at more closely and by other professional reviewers to see if they can replicate RG's findings.
6. They reviewers should also try and replicate the findings of those users who have come up with solutions to the focus issue.
Now as you will see, I am pretty much sitting on the fence on this issue. I really don't think at this stage, one can say categorically that there is a problem or that everything is just fine.
Now, it would be nice if the majority of folks in this thread could share some helpful information and ideas instead of engaging in useless abuse.
To a great camera.
Happy snapping everyone
But I was driven to post here to register my displeasure at the stinking attitude of too many (and what seems like the majority) of you in this thread.
Firstly, some have you have come out with that tired old bullsh*t about someone (in this case the oriiginal poster(OP)) not owning a particular camera therefore is not qualified to comment. UTTER NONSENSE!!!
No lets see, lets do what a learned law professor once said, that is take a position/argument to its logical conclusion. So do I take it that those of you who support a football team should say nothing about the team's performance given that you have never played football professonally?!!!! Or when you go to buy a house, you shouldn't pass comment on the look of the building or the decor because you are neither a builder or decorator?!!!!! The idea is proposterous!!!
Then there is the notion that the original poster is arrogant. Well, I am afraid those of you who have said, or think that, need to go and look up the word in a dicitonary for the OP has not exhibited the typical traits of arrogance (oberbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner towards inferiors; haughtiness; lordliness etc).
The OP's original post can be seen as provocative in its tone (given that he is addressing people who have spent serious money on their camera they are gonna be a little prickly) and certainly presumptious (especially in the way that he states as a fact that there is no problem) and assertive. But arrogant? No.
I think that many of the people who have responded to this thread are overly blinkered/anal in their attitude; kinda too defensive of their brand/model. Or perhaps find it hard to accept that maybe, just maybe the solution to the problem is a simple and overlooked one.
So why am I driven to post here? Well, I have been following developments regarding this camera and when I saw the spec list I was mightlily impressed. Then a few weeks ago I was lucky enough to attend a Canon launch of this camera and was able to get my hands on the beast. I pretty much fell in love with the camera (even though it is way too much camera for the likes of me) and would certainly have bought it on impulse if it was on sale on that day.
My assessment of this matter (assuming I have your permission to make an assessment given that I don't own the 1D-MkIII !!!!) is as follows:
1. It is possible that RG got a bad batch of cameras. It is not unknown for an initial run of a product to be faulty or even for there to be faulty models coming from a particular factory or even part of a factory/plant. (Sony for example are well known these days for producing cr@p in the initial run of pretty much everything they make, well nearly everything)
2. Having read numerous posts, it does seem that some people have found a solution to the focusing problems. So maybe just maybe RG, for all his experience, has missed something in the settings or a combination of settings. And some of those people have said that they too were using the camera in similar weather conditions to RG.
3. It may well be that the camera needs to have its AF settings altered whenever the shooting conditions or the subject matter changes. Now this would be a problem if Canon hasn't made this clear to buyers either in the User Manual or on their website (but lack of info on the Canon website wouldn't surprise me as the Canon main site is rubbish from my experience as a user of two of their products, a printer and a scanner). A further problem would be if the AF settings need to be changed constantly but there is no quick/easy way of so doing.
4. It seems that there is still something of a learning curve with this camera EVEN IF you are a pro user of their 1D-MkII cams.
5. This issue regarding the cameras performance in varying weather conditions needs to be looked at more closely and by other professional reviewers to see if they can replicate RG's findings.
6. They reviewers should also try and replicate the findings of those users who have come up with solutions to the focus issue.
Now as you will see, I am pretty much sitting on the fence on this issue. I really don't think at this stage, one can say categorically that there is a problem or that everything is just fine.
Now, it would be nice if the majority of folks in this thread could share some helpful information and ideas instead of engaging in useless abuse.
To a great camera.
Happy snapping everyone
The original post does not even begin to address the very specific circumstances in which there are problems with this camera.
What appalls me is people who don't have the piece of equipment telling people who do have it and know it doesn't work as it should that they can't be right. THAT is pathetic beyond belief. It's even worse when you don't even read the article you are claiming is wrong wqell enough to know this HAS been taken into consideration.
I've had EXACTLY this kind of idiocy with people telling me there couldn't possible be anything wrong with my camera before. And, guess what, in the end Canon ADMITTED there was a problem with the camera.
You are going to look pretty foolish when they admit it this time too. And I am guaranteeing that they will.
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What appalls me is people who don't have the piece of equipment telling people who do have it and know it doesn't work as it should that they can't be right. THAT is pathetic beyond belief. It's even worse when you don't even read the article you are claiming is wrong wqell enough to know this HAS been taken into consideration.
I've had EXACTLY this kind of idiocy with people telling me there couldn't possible be anything wrong with my camera before. And, guess what, in the end Canon ADMITTED there was a problem with the camera.
You are going to look pretty foolish when they admit it this time too. And I am guaranteeing that they will.
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FretNoMore
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...of the OP?
He's basically saying all problem reports are purely because of incompetence and that there can't be a problem with the cameras in question other than user error, and you're surprised at the response he gets to that insulting generalization?
There are some respected photographers like RG and several sports shooters that definitely know what they are doing and they say their cameras does not work properly. I certainly give more credit to them, both based on general competence and the fact they have actually used the camera and compared with other models.
You say you're on the fence, and I agree with that. The OP for sure does not have an open mind about what the causes can be for any AF problem.
He's basically saying all problem reports are purely because of incompetence and that there can't be a problem with the cameras in question other than user error, and you're surprised at the response he gets to that insulting generalization?
There are some respected photographers like RG and several sports shooters that definitely know what they are doing and they say their cameras does not work properly. I certainly give more credit to them, both based on general competence and the fact they have actually used the camera and compared with other models.
You say you're on the fence, and I agree with that. The OP for sure does not have an open mind about what the causes can be for any AF problem.
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plevyadophy
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Now, there, in your last paragraph is the kinda petty over sensitive attitude I complained about.
Why on earth will I look foolish if Canon say that indeed there is a fault?!!!
My post made it pretty clear that I am neither for the original poster in this thread or against him. I am just curious about this whole issue and there are many possible explanations.
And your last sentence is no better than the original poster's in that you are certain what Canon will do. Perhaps you are a majority shareholder or director?
plevyadophy
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Yeah, the OP's opening shot did seem a little gloating but still, as it touched upon some credible explanation, albeit badly articulated, it would have been more mature for responders to address the objective material instead of bitching like school girls.
There are like 80+ posts in this thread, and if you go through them very few of the words in them are of any probative value; instead they are just vitriol aimed at the OP.
For someone like me, a first time user of this Forum it is not very welcoming or helpful.
I agree, the OP doesn't appear,on the face of it, to be open minded about the issue; but then nor do the majority of the people who have responded.
Maybe because you will realise that you have ZERO basis on which to defend a poster who basically argued that the problems were user area. NOT that they might be, in some cases, user error. But that this was the FINAL SOLUTION.
What do you think of the hairstyle of Jean in our office?
Could I venture that to suggest that you probably have no opinion, because you have no experience of it.
Now, I might put the experience of those having good experiences with the camera up against those having bad experiences with it. But those with zero acquaintance with it are going to come pretty far down the list. As I said elsewhere, this exact same garbage was spouted about the Canon XL1.
Canon did NOT get its reputation by being as sceptical about genuine faults in its equipment as so many people who haven't even TOUCHED that equipment seem to be.
Tell you what, let's wait and see which of us is right shall we?
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plevyadophy
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Here you go again, being overly aggressive/petulant. The very kind of attitude that can make Forums a hostile place.
For the umpteenth time!, I am neither for or against the OP. Perhaps, the subtleties of the English language are beyond you, but most people would realise that there is some criticism of the OP in my original post.
And if you are referring to me when you say "Tell you what, let's wait and see which of us is right shall we?" then that is pretty sad, for my original post does not lend itself to labels of "right" or "wrong" as it was pretty non-committal as to what the problem may or may not be with the MkIII.
I won't be responding to any further cooments you may make on this matter, as you strike me as the very kind of person I was complaining about in my original post. I can learn nothing from your attitude.
plevyadophy wrote:
May I suggest that one thing that contributes to making forums a hostile place is people who tell people WITH equipment that isn't working as it should that it's their fault.
That was what the OP did, and as long as you defend that, don't expect to be treated with any more respect.
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You appear to be on of those people who think the only way people can be not aggressive or petulant is if they agree with you.
May I suggest that one thing that contributes to making forums a hostile place is people who tell people WITH equipment that isn't working as it should that it's their fault.
That was what the OP did, and as long as you defend that, don't expect to be treated with any more respect.
You gave another list of possibilities, many of which seem hardly relevant to experience reported here, on sportshooters, on fredmiranda, AND on Rob Galbraith, AND elsewhere, when the simple and MOST LIKELY possibility is that many of these users are PRO enough to know when their equipment is malfunctioning. How you and the OP can be basically calling them inept klutzes AND then complaining THEY are petulant or aggressive is the real mystery here.
Mirrors can be wonderful things. Read my above words carefully. There's much disagreement in them. It's a fool who believes disagreement is necessarily petulant.
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Thom Hogan
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I agree. On both sides of the Web. It's tricky for Rob to report difficulties with a new product that could be due to a mistake on his part; his reliability is on the line. It's difficult for some readers to accept if they haven't yet encountered the problem or don't shoot in ways that might make it obvious.
True. We all are. But here's the thing. I have NO doubt that if Rob turns out to be wrong, he'll do the right thing about it and own it. That's the difference here, I think between random forum posters and someone with as extensive and exhaustive connections in the sports shooter scene. Remember, of all the possible folk that could have gotten a 1DIII early to test, Rob was one of the very few Canon trusted on that.
Moreover, there's another point here: Rob reported the problem with the preproduction camera and Canon responded that they'd look into it. Almost certainly there has been a dialog between Rob and Canon since then. The fact that production cameras had the same issue is the thing that makes me believe Rob may be on to something. Had it been a user error, I'm almost sure that Canon would have worked with Rob to get him up to speed on what he was missing in learning the camera.
Actually, I've heard from a couple of others who have seen the issue, but have only quietly reported it to Canon (i.e. haven't said anything publicly). Most shooters don't also have a site that attempts to be a clearinghouse for useful and timely information, thus why would they want to get dragged into controversy? Some have complex fiduciary relationships with Canon, as well.
The type of work you do is different from what Rob does, and the moving objects you're shooting are at a different distance from you. You'll note that most of the problem examples that have been shown are happening at relatively close distances (track meets, near birds, etc.). When the lens is tracking an object at 300m.
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rocky balboa
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So many here have their mind made up already. you can't win an argument when mob mentality rules. Most here cannot and will not ever duplicate the RG problem.
Does it matter? No. They just cannot enjoy their new purchase because they read too much and shoot too little.
I too see the constant stream of great results from many posted here. Why are some getting good results? OH, I don't know. Probably they weren't influenced by others. Could that be it?
Members of this site still display the arrogance of believing they represent a huge majority of MKIII owners. What a joke. In fact, as a percentage, the complainers are a blip on a gnats behind. An irritant to Canon? Yes. Taken seriously? I doubt it. Many of the same people complained about the 5D, 30D, 20D, 10D etc. Yet Canon rolls on.
Why? Because the vast majority of DSLR owners are not followers. They are creative and talented people not easily influenced by mass hysteria.
Nello, I feel your frustration. You chose the wrong forum for posting that the MKIII
may just be the greatest DSLR ever. From it's inception the complainers waited for failure and the merest suggestion of a problem sent them into overdrive.
Does it matter? No. They just cannot enjoy their new purchase because they read too much and shoot too little.
I too see the constant stream of great results from many posted here. Why are some getting good results? OH, I don't know. Probably they weren't influenced by others. Could that be it?
Members of this site still display the arrogance of believing they represent a huge majority of MKIII owners. What a joke. In fact, as a percentage, the complainers are a blip on a gnats behind. An irritant to Canon? Yes. Taken seriously? I doubt it. Many of the same people complained about the 5D, 30D, 20D, 10D etc. Yet Canon rolls on.
Why? Because the vast majority of DSLR owners are not followers. They are creative and talented people not easily influenced by mass hysteria.
Nello, I feel your frustration. You chose the wrong forum for posting that the MKIII
may just be the greatest DSLR ever. From it's inception the complainers waited for failure and the merest suggestion of a problem sent them into overdrive.
Tedwill48170
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Just accept the fact that there are actually nice people willing to help, and that they are at times, overshadowed by those (douchebags) who would rather be arrogant and non helpful.
The key is filtering out the latter.
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Now this is really mean...so someone who doesn't own a Canon HAS NO RIGHT TO POST HERE?? Some people on this forum sound just like KKK...EOSMan the only thing you need is a white sheet on your head and you'd be all set to go and rule this forum!! while you're at it burn his house down too...jeeez
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plevyadophy
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As I said earlier, following your peculiar type of logical (if you can even call it logic), if you support a football team you should say nothing about the team's performance given that you have never played football professonally?!!!! Or when you go to buy a house, you shouldn't pass comment on the look of the building or the decor because you are neither a builder or decorator? Or perhaps one shouldn't express an opinion during election year by casting your vote at the ballot box, giving that one is probably not a professional politician!!!!! The idea is proposterous!!!
And your idiotic mean attitude, is not the kind of attitude that people who don't own any of the cams you just mentioned are going to want to encounter if they are considering a purchase (given that it will be to these types of Forums that they may well come for advise, assistance and support).
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