...agree to disagree. Going from 7.5MP to 10MP is negligible and
according to reviews, you'll find that the 7.5MP L1 sensor can
muster up as much resolution as a Canon 30D even in Phil's own
review of the L1.
Please give me a break. I have exactly the same sensor you have, same processing from RAW pretty much. The resolution increase with the NR off is quite noticeable. The resolution is also quite noticeable. If anything the L1 has quite a softness. And it's the same sensor of the e-330. From raw both are the same and I have both to compare.
I find that in 16x20 prints, the amount of
'apparent' detail between my L1 and Nikon D80 is close, with the
D80 slightly edging out the L1 maybe because there is less chroma
noise in the D80 shots?
WE are not comparing the D80, we are comparing the e-410 which uses the next generation NMOS sensor from the same company that makes the one for the L1- Panasonic/Matsushita.
Again, my whole point about noise is that the L1 images can be post
processed to be as noise-free as the E-410, but we've already
beaten that horse to death.
Yes you can, but the point you continue to miss is that because the new sensor has even less noise to begin with you will still get even BETTER results if you want to do the same operations for both cameras. This is not sinking in for some rason.
If you feel the E-410 is far
'superior' to the L1 - great!
No, I think all of these cameras are great. I like what Panasonic did with the L1 except I wished it was smaller and that way the buttons/interface would be better. There's is a difference between saying "the e-410 is far superior" and "the e-410 sensor as a whole gives you better resoults due to resolution and better noise handling, even i fyou use an off-camera software solution because you can also do that on the new sensor and get even better results." There's a HUGE difference between these two statements.
But you know, you are the one who asked for it. Really, you were saying you would take with the L1 on any other Nmos camera which is silly for several reasons- for one I have exactly the same sensor you have as I have the e-330 and I can verify that the new sensor of the e-410 is signifnicant improvement as a whole. And two, I think it's prudent to be more cautious with a statement like that given that the new sensor is made by the same company that makes the L1 sensor- Panasonic/Matsushita.
Yes, in case that was missed, the e-410 uses a Panasonic/Matsushita, next generation NMOS sensor.
Heck, I'm not here to be a spokesman
for the L1. If you check my posting history, you'll find that
since 2001 I've gone through many cameras and by no means am a
fanboy of any particular brand. -Norm
That is completely irrelevant to whether your statements are valid or not. I am trying to explain why not. You seemed pretty adamant to "challenge anyone" without even having the two sensors side to side to compare.
How is the sensor in the E410 much better than that of the L1? For
starters, it already has less dynamic range. Just curious... -Norm
I has noticeably more resolution and handles high ISO noise better.
If the E410 had IS,
it would pretty much be a Panasonic L1.... with a much better
sensor.
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