!!! Man Goes Insane Chasing Ever Higher Resolution !!!

OK,

I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/ ) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry 65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from 270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality) compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/MapMed.jpg--J . Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Forgot to mention: each of the 42 constituent images is from a D1x
Brian

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html

Click to expand...

Member said:

--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

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--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

hi brian,
my first big panorama,
.... olympia stadium munich,....
a 5.5 feet print...
had to try 2 software packages,....
adding memory to the computer...
14 hrs, later...

still don't like it,....kinda digital... then again, with the sunset going down, looking back, I would not have been able to capture that shot with a 6x7, due the longer exposhure time...

cheers, Robert Schultz-- http://www.RobsPhoto.com

Hello Brian,

Great work! Do you think that upgrading to Windows XP would help you with your memory problems? I don't understand you reference to memory problems with Windows ME. I would be willing to help you out if you like. I have a 1.5gig AMD machine with 512meg of memory and 2x60gig drives. Maybe I could swing the processing....

I live fairly close to the Flatiron Building. I'm now tempted to run out and get one of those spherical tripod heads but it is $700+. I wish I hadn't seen your post. ;-) I have the KiWi-L the cheap and simple panorama head. My attempt at a NYC panorama, not near as cool as your mosaic, is here...

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=574023

Regards,

Larry

brian said:

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html

Click to expand...

Member said:

--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Click to expand...

--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Click to expand...

Hi Larry:

I'm still puzzling over hardware and software limitations, but thanks to Max's help during the past week or so these limitations have receded substantially. I actually tried to do a 270 megapixel raw stitch which would have resulted in a 150 megapixel cropped image, but after 3 days of solid computation time and disc thrashing the thing ground to a halt.

The 53 megapixel image looks incredibly good because it is downsampled so much. Every pixel counts. I think I'm reaching a practical limit with the D1x. 42 images is tedious but possible. Doubling that to 84 images would be pretty daunting, but don't doubt that I'll try it if I can upgrade my computer to properly handle it. Eventually there will be 20 megapixel digicams that squeeze every drop of performance out of the best 35mm lenses, and when they come I hope to be able to crack the gigapixel/uninterpolated barrier. I'm not sure it is possible or reasonable to go much further than that.

Thats a very nice twighlight image you posted. I remember if from an earlier posting of yours. How many shots did you stitch together?

If you're serious about panoramas I don't think you'll regret getting a decent spherical tripod head.

Brian

Lawrence Kellogg said:

I live fairly close to the Flatiron Building. I'm now tempted to
run out and get one of those spherical tripod heads but it is
$700+. I wish I hadn't seen your post. ;-) I have the KiWi-L the
cheap and simple panorama head. My attempt at a NYC panorama, not
near as cool as your mosaic, is here...

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=574023

Regards,

Larry

brian said:

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html

Click to expand...

Lawrence Kellogg said:

--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

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--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

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--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

Robert Schultz said:

hi brian,
my first big panorama,
.... olympia stadium munich,....
a 5.5 feet print...
had to try 2 software packages,....
adding memory to the computer...
14 hrs, later...

still don't like it,....kinda digital... then again, with the
sunset going down, looking back, I would not have been able to
capture that shot with a 6x7, due the longer exposhure time...

cheers, Robert Schultz
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

Click to expand...

--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

Member said:

Thats a very nice twighlight image you posted. I remember if from
an earlier posting of yours. How many shots did you stitch
together?

If you're serious about panoramas I don't think you'll regret
getting a decent spherical tripod head.

Click to expand...

Brian,

The panorama is made up of fourteen shots. The size of it is something like 7000 pixels wide by 2200 pixels high. I would really like to do some mosaics like yours but I think it is going to have to wait until after I get my D100 (or D60)...

Regards,

Larry

Member said:

Lawrence Kellogg said:

I live fairly close to the Flatiron Building. I'm now tempted to
run out and get one of those spherical tripod heads but it is
$700+. I wish I hadn't seen your post. ;-) I have the KiWi-L the
cheap and simple panorama head. My attempt at a NYC panorama, not
near as cool as your mosaic, is here...

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=574023

Regards,

Larry

brian said:

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html

Click to expand...

Member said:

--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Click to expand...

--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

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--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

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That's good, brian!

I'll kidnap my girlfriend's cat to make her do that stiching for me, with a 990.
--Gilbert

Brian,

I am green, positively green with envy ... that shot is amazing.

You actually make that city look attractive - and I have never really wanted to go there!

Naturally, I took the time (not much on a cable connection) to download the full size image ... I'm still exploring it!!

WOW.

Thanks for taking the time to share that.

I haven't had time to explore mosaicing nearly as much as I would like ... but you always serve to inspire me to get back at it!

Thanks!

Micheal

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html



--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

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To see my most favorite building in the world beeing pictured like you did, gave me great plaisure.

Tank you for sharing it with us.
What a time consuming, but great way to do buildings and landscapes.

http://www.julienlanda.nl

Micheal Hall said:

Brian,

I am green, positively green with envy ... that shot is amazing.

You actually make that city look attractive - and I have never
really wanted to go there!

Naturally, I took the time (not much on a cable connection) to
download the full size image ... I'm still exploring it!!

WOW.

Thanks for taking the time to share that.

I haven't had time to explore mosaicing nearly as much as I would
like ... but you always serve to inspire me to get back at it!

Thanks!

Micheal

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html



--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Click to expand...

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--Julien

Hi Julien:

I'm finding that as I get more organized in my approach I'm spending far less time putting these things together than I used to. I've turned one of my computers into a slave, however!

Thanks,
Brian

Julien Landa said:

Tank you for sharing it with us.
What a time consuming, but great way to do buildings and landscapes.

http://www.julienlanda.nl

Julien Landa said:

Brian,

I am green, positively green with envy ... that shot is amazing.

You actually make that city look attractive - and I have never
really wanted to go there!

Naturally, I took the time (not much on a cable connection) to
download the full size image ... I'm still exploring it!!

WOW.

Thanks for taking the time to share that.

I haven't had time to explore mosaicing nearly as much as I would
like ... but you always serve to inspire me to get back at it!

Thanks!

Micheal

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html



--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Click to expand...

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--
Julien

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--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

Hi Micheal:

Glad you were able to get the full size version. I finally realized the error of my ways and re-did the link directly to the JPG file rather than to a separate page.

Thanks,
Brian

PS: NYC is actually a wonderful place

Micheal Hall said:

I am green, positively green with envy ... that shot is amazing.

You actually make that city look attractive - and I have never
really wanted to go there!

Naturally, I took the time (not much on a cable connection) to
download the full size image ... I'm still exploring it!!

WOW.

Thanks for taking the time to share that.

I haven't had time to explore mosaicing nearly as much as I would
like ... but you always serve to inspire me to get back at it!

Thanks!

Micheal

brian said:

OK,
I think I'm in danger of really losing it here, as you can see from
the image below. Its a good thing my computer stopped me due to
memory and disk space limitations or else I would be headed off to
GigaPixelLand. I blame Max Lyons ( http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/
) for starting this, and for recently fixing a bug in the Panorama
Tools source code that had been limiting my mosaics to a paltry
65megapixels. Now I'm up over 100.

The image below is actually only slightly more than 50MP because it
has been cropped from a much larger 100MP raw stitch. I tried to
put a full size version on my site, but it seems to be too big. If
I had my way the image would have been about 150MP (cropped from
270MP Raw Stitch) in order to avoid the downsampling I had to
endure in going to 50 megapixels. You can see a variety of smaller
sizes ranging up to 2500 x 4000 at very low (high quality)
compression by going here:

http://www.caldwellphotographic.com/FullSizeMosaicMain.html



--
J. Brian Caldwell
http://www.caldwellphotographic.com

Click to expand...

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--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

Brian,

As you know from an email I sent you off the forum, your earlier post prompted me to drag out a PTAssembler project I had been holding off on ...

The problem was a disk space limitation - I had tried stitching the project several times, but - each time - PTAssembler crashed ... I only had about 6 gigs free and it needed more space for the temp files while stitching.

Anyway, I finally got this thing stitched. It took about 7 hours today. Add to that a couple of hours of massaging the seams (my shooting technique, it would seem, still needs some work, and I'm sure the pano head would help as well).

At any rate, this is a 15 frame mosaic - 5 across and three down. The final, sticthed image (cropped) is 9803x9263 or roughly 90 megapixels ...

At 250 dpi that's a 40 inch print ...

Anyway, here it is:



And this is what a one inch crop would be from a 250dpi print:



And, finally, here is a larger section to see at full size:



This period of time is one of my favorite to shoot city scapes ...

Micheal

Micheal Hall said:

Brian,

I was very interested to try it out myself.

Click to expand...

So I downloaded Panoramatools.

And that was it .
It is supposed to be a plug in but nowhere I could find it.

I am working on a Mac.
Could you give me a hint?

Thanks

http://www.julienlanda.nl--Julien

Hmm ...

Panorama Tools is a set of .dlls written for the Windows platform. I don't know if they will function on the Mac. I know that PTAssembler, the Windows interface program for utilzing the Panorama Tools libraries is a Windows program as well.

Has anyone ever gotten these programs to run on a Mac?

m

Julien Landa said:

Micheal Hall said:

Brian,

I was very interested to try it out myself.

Click to expand...

So I downloaded Panoramatools.

And that was it .
It is supposed to be a plug in but nowhere I could find it.

I am working on a Mac.
Could you give me a hint?

Thanks

http://www.julienlanda.nl
--
Julien

Click to expand...

Micheal:

Thats a very interesting image and I like it alot. I'm curious about the ghost images - are they from the same image or from different ones?

Brian

Micheal Hall said:

Brian,

As you know from an email I sent you off the forum, your earlier
post prompted me to drag out a PTAssembler project I had been
holding off on ...

The problem was a disk space limitation - I had tried stitching the
project several times, but - each time - PTAssembler crashed ... I
only had about 6 gigs free and it needed more space for the temp
files while stitching.

Anyway, I finally got this thing stitched. It took about 7 hours
today. Add to that a couple of hours of massaging the seams (my
shooting technique, it would seem, still needs some work, and I'm
sure the pano head would help as well).

At any rate, this is a 15 frame mosaic - 5 across and three down.
The final, sticthed image (cropped) is 9803x9263 or roughly 90
megapixels ...

At 250 dpi that's a 40 inch print ...

Anyway, here it is:



And this is what a one inch crop would be from a 250dpi print:



And, finally, here is a larger section to see at full size:



This period of time is one of my favorite to shoot city scapes ...

Micheal

Click to expand...

--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

Hi Micheal:

Panorama Tools will also work on the Mac, and I think that someone recently wrote an interface for it. If you subscribe to the Immersive Imaging Mailing List on Helmut Dersch's site you can find it. In the mean time I'll keep a look out and will post a link when I find it.

Also, you can always run PTAssembler or PTGui on a Mac via SoftPC.

Brian

Micheal Hall said:

Panorama Tools is a set of .dlls written for the Windows platform.
I don't know if they will function on the Mac. I know that
PTAssembler, the Windows interface program for utilzing the
Panorama Tools libraries is a Windows program as well.

Has anyone ever gotten these programs to run on a Mac?

m

Julien Landa said:

Micheal Hall said:

Brian,

I was very interested to try it out myself.

Click to expand...

So I downloaded Panoramatools.

And that was it .
It is supposed to be a plug in but nowhere I could find it.

I am working on a Mac.
Could you give me a hint?

Thanks

http://www.julienlanda.nl
--
Julien

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com

Brian,

Thanks for the compliments - I'm pretty happy with the way this one "came together" as well.

The ghost images are from two separate shots - I had noted one of them previously, but hadn't noticed the introduction of the second on until you pointed it out ... I guess I just started looking past it for stitching errors.

I do like the effect though - like I mentioned in a previous email, unless the elements of flare are just too much of a distraction, I like what they tend to add to a night scene such as this. Of course, they could be easily retouched out if say a client didn't like this or something.

I'm entertaining the idea of seeing if the restaurant would like to purchase a print of this one ...

I might offer to do a series of their local spots, as there are a few of them around.

Oh - the other day you asked about how I determined the sizing on this image. Truth is, this one was stitched a couple of weeks ago and I think I might have told PTAssembler to up the size a bit. I haven't worked out a system for determining final size yet - I think I recall the method you employ and will be trying it out.

m

brian said:

Micheal:
Thats a very interesting image and I like it alot. I'm curious
about the ghost images - are they from the same image or from
different ones?

Brian

Click to expand...

Micheal:

I've recently started using PTAssembler for doing stitches, and it has an autoscaling feature for setting the final image size. It seems to give answers similar to the approximate method I was using, so it may be the best way to go.

Brian

Micheal Hall said:

Thanks for the compliments - I'm pretty happy with the way this one
"came together" as well.

The ghost images are from two separate shots - I had noted one of
them previously, but hadn't noticed the introduction of the second
on until you pointed it out ... I guess I just started looking past
it for stitching errors.

I do like the effect though - like I mentioned in a previous email,
unless the elements of flare are just too much of a distraction, I
like what they tend to add to a night scene such as this. Of
course, they could be easily retouched out if say a client didn't
like this or something.

I'm entertaining the idea of seeing if the restaurant would like to
purchase a print of this one ...

I might offer to do a series of their local spots, as there are a
few of them around.

Oh - the other day you asked about how I determined the sizing on
this image. Truth is, this one was stitched a couple of weeks ago
and I think I might have told PTAssembler to up the size a bit. I
haven't worked out a system for determining final size yet - I
think I recall the method you employ and will be trying it out.

m

brian said:

Micheal:
Thats a very interesting image and I like it alot. I'm curious
about the ghost images - are they from the same image or from
different ones?

Brian

Click to expand...

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--J. Brian Caldwellwww.caldwellphotographic.com