Tested 602 at CEBIT fair

Berndb · Mar 13, 2002

Today I have been at the CEBIT fair and checked the S602. They had only one pre-production unit which could be tested and another one in a case (I suggest the same units which were shown at the PMA). In response to question in this forum I have these points:

It was not allowed to make shots with my own card (even a dutch Fuji man was not allowed to do so) because it was a pre-production model. So we have to wait some weeks for first samples.
The electronic viewfinder EVF was improoved and it was easier to check the focus in manual mode. I could not check behaviour in very low light. The refresh rate of the EVF was similar to the 6900 (or faster) could be about 10 - 20 times per second. You can use the composition grid and the focus check function (magnifier) as for the 6900.
You can put in SM card and CF card at the same time and have to switch in the SETUP where to store. The storage to the SM card was faster compared to the 6900. After using the burst mode storing needs about 1 sec for 1 MP shots (for 6900 about 12 sec) and about 8 sec for 6MB shots (25 sec for 6900). I have not checked with CF card.
The 602 has an additional active AF using IR for fast AF and low light situation (there was no low ligth, so I couldn‘t check it). The active AF cannot be used if adaptor with wide or tele or macro lens is connected.

But at the light there (about 1/3 sec Aperture 2.8 at 100 ASA) the AF was very fast. Another new AF feature in the 602 compared to 6900 is the variable AF, means you can move the point for AF with the cursor within the screen to have it on the important object.

The super macro worked upto 1 cm to the lens and the smallest object size was about 10 x 15 mm (if using the 2 x zoom) but it is difficult to have good lighting (easier if at least 2 or 5 cm). In the normal macro modus as for the 6900 the smallest object size is about 35 x 55 mm. Also in the super macro modus the AF was very fast (
The video modus can only be changed between VGA (640 x 480) and 320 x 240 30 frames per second. Maximum length is only limited by the memory (15 min in VGA and 1 GB microdrive, 4 GB microdrives will be available soon). The zoom cannot be changed if video is running.
They use 4 AA cells 1,25V 1800mAh (which is about 2 times the energy of the 6900 LiIon 3.7V 1300mAh mA) Fuji has now the optional Power Pack FPP5V (4.8V, 3000 mAh) which will be connected to the power input socket and can be used also for the 6900.
the 602 shall be available in June 2002.

In general I was impressed by the improvements compared to the 6900.

As this 602 was a pre-production unit, changes will be possible in the production unit, but I hope only further improvements.

Bernd
-- http://www.pbase.com/berndb

BerndB

PaulS · Mar 13, 2002

Many thanks for all the info! I guess we will just have to wait our turn for the new camera!

Ulysses · Mar 13, 2002

Excellent job, Berndb -

Thanks for looking out for this one. I'm sure it must be pure torture being out there at CeBIT, but someone has to do our grunt work.

)

Thanks for a good preview. If you get any other good details to pass along, please do so.

-- Ulysses

kirk48403 · Mar 13, 2002

Wow! Video at 640X480 is limited only by size of card! I stated this when the press release came out and phil said that a microdrive wasn't fast enough to record continuously. I guess they must have some sort of compression going on to achieve this. This camera keeps on sounding better and better! Just imagine how well this will come in handy for action shots.

Ulysses said:
Excellent job, Berndb -

Thanks for looking out for this one. I'm sure it must be pure
torture being out there at CeBIT, but someone has to do our grunt
work. )

Thanks for a good preview. If you get any other good details to
pass along, please do so.

--

Ulysses

Ulysses · Mar 13, 2002

The unlimited 640x480 seems to have been confirmed by the guys at
http://www.a-digital-eye.com

They also had a chance to handle one and mention a couple of factoids in their PMA 2002 report.

-- Ulysses

Mark (nl) · Mar 13, 2002

Thanks for all the 'work' and the preview Bernd!
gr. Mark.
-- http://community.webshots.com/user/marksfinepix

nashi · Mar 13, 2002

Thanks for the info.

It sounds like the 602 is considerably faster at writing images to its card that the 6900 which should make it feel a more responsive camera.
Any views on how it will compare to the new Minolta Dimage 7i?
nashi

Clash · Mar 13, 2002

nashi said:
Thanks for the info.
It sounds like the 602 is considerably faster at writing images to
its card that the 6900 which should make it feel a more responsive
camera.
Any views on how it will compare to the new Minolta Dimage 7i?
nashi

nashi.. look at this :

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2361729

Steve 4900 · Mar 14, 2002

Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to this camera even more. Must have been frustrating to hold such a good camera, and yet have to wait until June before owning one.

Steve

--Steve B http://www.pbase.com/steve4900/galleries

Torkil · Mar 14, 2002

One question to the 602:

Does it have a thread that allows you to attach a filter (e.g. a polaroid filter)?

From the pictures on the web, it seems it only has a thread on the outer "ring" and attaching a filter to that won't work, since the inner part of the lens will "move out".

Torkil

lockwoodfe · Mar 14, 2002

kirk said:
Wow! Video at 640X480 is limited only by size of card! I stated
this when the press release came out and phil said that a
microdrive wasn't fast enough to record continuously. I guess they
must have some sort of compression going on to achieve this. This
camera keeps on sounding better and better! Just imagine how well
this will come in handy for action shots.

This is indeed impressive. 640x480 @30fps is exceptionally good video and should actually exceed the quality of most analog video recorders. My only question is why is the zoom disabled when in video mode? If it wasn't for this, it sounds like the S602 could actually double as a very nice video camera.

KC63881 · Mar 15, 2002

you need to buy and adaptor to attach filters and lenses.

Cassandra59044 · Mar 15, 2002

So does this mean the new active AF (IR) won't work if an adapter and filter are used (like on the 6900)?

Cassandra

berndb said:
The 602 has an additional active AF using IR for fast AF and low light > situation (there was no low ligth, so I couldn‘t check it). The active AF > cannot be used if adaptor with wide or tele or macro lens is connected

KC said:
you need to buy and adaptor to attach filters and lenses.

-- http://welcome.to/cassandras-galleryhttp://www.pbase.com/fuji6900

JohnS17182 · Mar 15, 2002

How did the camera feel in your hands -- balance, weight, control locations, viewfinder position, etc.?
--JohnS

Berndb said:
Today I have been at the CEBIT fair and checked the S602. They had
only one pre-production unit which could be tested and another one
in a case (I suggest the same units which were shown at the PMA).
In response to question in this forum I have these points:

It was not allowed to make shots with my own card (even a dutch

Fuji man was not allowed to do so) because it was a pre-production
model. So we have to wait some weeks for first samples.

The electronic viewfinder EVF was improoved and it was easier to

check the focus in manual mode. I could not check behaviour in very
low light. The refresh rate of the EVF was similar to the 6900 (or
faster) could be about 10 - 20 times per second. You can use the
composition grid and the focus check function (magnifier) as for
the 6900.

You can put in SM card and CF card at the same time and have to

switch in the SETUP where to store. The storage to the SM card was
faster compared to the 6900. After using the burst mode storing
needs about 1 sec for 1 MP shots (for 6900 about 12 sec) and about
8 sec for 6MB shots (25 sec for 6900). I have not checked with CF
card.

The 602 has an additional active AF using IR for fast AF and low

light situation (there was no low ligth, so I couldn‘t check
it). The active AF cannot be used if adaptor with wide or tele or
macro lens is connected.
But at the light there (about 1/3 sec Aperture 2.8 at 100 ASA) the
AF was very fast. Another new AF feature in the 602 compared to
6900 is the variable AF, means you can move the point for AF with
the cursor within the screen to have it on the important object.

The super macro worked upto 1 cm to the lens and the smallest

object size was about 10 x 15 mm (if using the 2 x zoom) but it is
difficult to have good lighting (easier if at least 2 or 5 cm). In
the normal macro modus as for the 6900 the smallest object size is
about 35 x 55 mm. Also in the super macro modus the AF was very
fast (

The video modus can only be changed between VGA (640 x 480) and

320 x 240 30 frames per second. Maximum length is only limited by
the memory (15 min in VGA and 1 GB microdrive, 4 GB microdrives
will be available soon). The zoom cannot be changed if video is
running.

They use 4 AA cells 1,25V 1800mAh (which is about 2 times the

energy of the 6900 LiIon 3.7V 1300mAh mA) Fuji has now the optional
Power Pack FPP5V (4.8V, 3000 mAh) which will be connected to the
power input socket and can be used also for the 6900.

the 602 shall be available in June 2002.

In general I was impressed by the improvements compared to the 6900.
As this 602 was a pre-production unit, changes will be possible in
the production unit, but I hope only further improvements.

Bernd

--
http://www.pbase.com/berndb

BerndB

--JohnS

rick66883 · Mar 15, 2002

all the features are nice, but what drives a puchase is photo quality.I asked five people in general if they care how a camera looks if the photo was not improved and the majority said no.I think the 707 is too heavy and not enough zoom to make it a must have camera and the tint is off too many times but its still a great camera.I just want better photos.

eliwide · Mar 15, 2002

Does anyone who has been to CEBIT know what the shutter lag and the general speed of the camera is like? I know they improved the AutoFocus but is it a lot faster or just a bit quicker.

I am happy Fuji havent gone out increasing MP but I just hope they have gone all out to try and increase speed and picture quality.

Andy

Clash · Mar 16, 2002

about the CCD

greetings
Luc

Michael J. Hußmann · Mar 16, 2002

Cassandra USA 6900z said:
So does this mean the new active AF (IR) won't work if an adapter
and filter are used (like on the 6900)?

Yes, you have to turn it off if an adapter is used, whereas filters shouldn't pose a problem. The problem with adapters is that they block the IR beam from the active AF, and maybe that the adapter changes the focus -- the active AF measures distance, not sharpness, and with an adapter, these would most likely be out of synch.

Michael--------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.michael-hussmann.de

Michael J. Hußmann · Mar 16, 2002

eliwide said:
Does anyone who has been to CEBIT know what the shutter lag and the
general speed of the camera is like? I know they improved the
AutoFocus but is it a lot faster or just a bit quicker.

It is a lot faster.

Michael--------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.michael-hussmann.de

Michael J. Hußmann · Mar 16, 2002

Berndb said:
You can put in SM card and CF card at the same time and have to

switch in the SETUP where to store.

True, but if you have just one card inserted, the 602 will do the sensible thing and use that, regardless of your choice of preferred media in setup mode. Unfortunately, you cannot copy pictures between cards (within the camera, that is).

Michael--------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.michael-hussmann.de

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