5 Vs 5

People gonna get sick of my continuing quandary, anyway tested S5 and 5D yesterday. Here are a few 100% crops of the results. FYI originals were shot in RAW, ISO 100 f8. On the S5 used a Nikkor 12 -24 at 14 (which I thought would bring it pretty close in size to the 5D with a 16-35L1 at 20. Devved in Silkypix. U B de judges:









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I assume the top shot is the S5, not much of a comparison is it?
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CaptD said:

I assume the top shot is the S5, not much of a comparison is it?

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You assumed correctly Dennis. I'm heaving a huge sigh of financial angst as I come to realise I gotta go for the 5D. I feel I'll be more competitve and be able to deliver higher quality images to my clients so hopefully in the long run I'll get back all the extra I've gotta invest. Another consolation is that I can get the 5D new for USD$ 2500 and the 16-35L1 for under $1400 .....

The 5D is certainly much sharper than the S5 Pro, so if that is important, go for it.

But are you honestly going to make a purchasing decision on this sort of test?

Your top S5 Pro image is barely focused correctly - what exactly are you trying to evaluate here? Have you used both in real world scenarios? How many shots?

FYI I too am very close to picking up a Canon 5D, its probably got the best IQ you can get right now, certainly if you shoot high ISO.

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The WING GANG said:

People gonna get sick of my continuing quandary, anyway tested S5
and 5D yesterday. Here are a few 100% crops of the results. FYI
originals were shot in RAW, ISO 100 f8. On the S5 used a Nikkor 12
-24 at 14 (which I thought would bring it pretty close in size to
the 5D with a 16-35L1 at 20. Devved in Silkypix. U B de judges:









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Sorry wing but you need to use similar/same lens, ie like a pair of tamrons with different mounts to begin approaching a meaningful test. You're using a 100% crop from an ultra wide zoom that isn't sharp nor particularly conrtasty to begin with and using to judge a camera. Just buy the 5D if you want to but at least be honest to yourself that you really want it instead of trying to convince yourself with this kind of test.

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I wonder what f stop you were using on the 12-24 Nikkor.

I have that lens and have found it is best to use F11 to retain maximum sharpness across the image. If you are using F16 or f22 the image (at least with my lens) sharpness drops off dramatically.
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Even the DR of the 5D look superior. Haven't these images been posted before on the forum, right afte the S5 first began appearing? The ones of the sunglass rack in particular look very familiar.

The comparison may be valid, but I can't see enough to tell whether the images are focused on the same spots. Often in busy scenes such as these seem to be taken in, similar shots can be focused quite differently making comparisons such as these problematical.

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ddk said:

Sorry wing but you need to use similar/same lens, ie like a pair of
tamrons with different mounts to begin approaching a meaningful
test. You're using a 100% crop from an ultra wide zoom that isn't
sharp nor particularly conrtasty to begin with and using to judge a
camera.

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Exactly...

ddk said:

Just buy the 5D if you want to but at least be honest to
yourself that you really want it instead of trying to convince
yourself with this kind of test.

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Chapeaux..

With regards..

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You can get the RAWs here if you like. Your welcome to crop and repost.
http://useprophotographers.com/compare2/

Original Post with Test Details here - several cameras tested
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=22737939

Other Tests Threads Here
DR Test
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=22773239

Landscape test
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=22777738

General Test 1
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=22734141

Canon 5D IS0 200



Fuji S5 ISO 200



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WING GANG

Your Fuji shots are out of focus, so no comparison really

There is lots to consider when comparing these cameras, price being the biggest.

Andy

AndrewScott said:

WING GANG

Your Fuji shots are out of focus, so no comparison really

There is lots to consider when comparing these cameras, price being
the biggest.

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I think price is the least to consider, FF vs APS and the allure of the whole range of Canon glass makes 5D very tempting, but Fuji still has DR and color advantage imo.

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AndrewScott said:

WING GANG

Your Fuji shots are out of focus,

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What makes you say they're out of focus? The softness of the Fuji's ability to render only so much detail ? Do this yourself and see just how much sharp detail there is at 100% with fine detail.

It looks focused to me, just doesn't have the resolution to show it more clearly. I see it in my Fuji images all the time.

AndrewScott said:

There is lots to consider when comparing these cameras, price being
the biggest.

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While price might be YOUR biggest consideration, for many of us it is not. The price of lower resolution comes into play if you want certain stock agencies to consider your work. Many of them don't accept the Fuji version of "12" megapixels but the 5D they have no problem with. Are they completely uninformed?

I did this same test at least a year ago and have a 5D arriviing in 3 days due to my testing. (yes, it's been a long wait) The S2 (or S3/S5) are great cameras for many things, but there are better solutions to more resolution and/or less noise. It's just a different tool for the same job. While the Fuji's have their limits, the 5D also has it's limiits. Nothing will work best at all things, so different tools are needed for different purposes.

Have you tried a 5D at all? Give one an honest look and if it's not for you don't get one. I know others who are quite content with their S5's and they don't require the differences of something like the 5D or D2x.

As long as your happy with what you have you'll at least save the cost of switching.

Robert

ddk said:

AndrewScott said:

WING GANG

There is lots to consider when comparing these cameras, price being
the biggest.

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I think price is the least to consider, FF vs APS and the allure of
the whole range of Canon glass makes 5D very tempting, but Fuji
still has DR and color advantage imo.

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Agree, cost is not the main consideration here if image quality is desired. Otherwise we'd all be shooting Rebels or D40's. (which are both excellent for their respective prices)

However, how do you claim Fuji has a color advantage? You may like the Fuji colors, but since the S2 I don't care for what often comes out of the S3/S5's myself. I won't argue Canon vs Fuji because I'm able to get great color from both.

AS for the DR issue, Fuji does have it's "extended DR" capabilities which is now available to anyone who uses programs like Photomatix etc. In 95% of all situations any digital camera will have enough DR. I've yet to need the extended DR of the S3/S5, but that doesn't mean no one else does. If you need it get it and use it. The 5D actually has excellent DR compared to anything else for almost every situation. This is also not the issue for the original post. I think it's resolution and the fact that the 5D really does have it.

Do your own side-by-side and see what you find out. But I would strongly suggest you DON'T do it unless you have the means for buying the 5D within reach. It's really that good. Forget that Canon makes it if that mean something to you, just look at it as a capable tool that will give you something you need. Unless you don't need it.

If the latter is the case, then just walk away....

Robert

Robert Whiteman said:

ddk said:

I think price is the least to consider, FF vs APS and the allure of
the whole range of Canon glass makes 5D very tempting, but Fuji
still has DR and color advantage imo.

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Agree, cost is not the main consideration here if image quality is
desired. Otherwise we'd all be shooting Rebels or D40's. (which are
both excellent for their respective prices)

However, how do you claim Fuji has a color advantage? You may like
the Fuji colors, but since the S2 I don't care for what often comes
out of the S3/S5's myself. I won't argue Canon vs Fuji because I'm
able to get great color from both.

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In my eyes the S5 distincly has deeper, wider range of tones than the 5D, which by the way I like very much. I get great results with the 5D and really like Canon glass but I still think that Fuji has the advantage, at least for me, its the only reason that I'm still in the Nikon camp; but at the end of the day neither one is film.

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Not to be rude, but are your clients a bunch of sunglasses or a sign hanging in a mall?

What are the skin tones like on the 5D compared to the S5? What do your clients need for output size?

I think you have convinced yourself that the 5D is the way to go...and that's great...it's an awesome camera....but I think you should base your decision on different tests...not the ones posed above.

Kerry

The WING GANG said:

CaptD said:

I assume the top shot is the S5, not much of a comparison is it?

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You assumed correctly Dennis. I'm heaving a huge sigh of financial
angst as I come to realise I gotta go for the 5D. I feel I'll be
more competitve and be able to deliver higher quality images to my
clients so hopefully in the long run I'll get back all the extra
I've gotta invest. Another consolation is that I can get the 5D new
for USD$ 2500 and the 16-35L1 for under $1400 .....

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Robert Whiteman said:

AndrewScott said:

WING GANG
Your Fuji shots are out of focus,

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What makes you say they're out of focus? The softness of the Fuji's
ability to render only so much detail ? Do this yourself and see
just how much sharp detail there is at 100% with fine detail.
It looks focused to me, just doesn't have the resolution to show it
more clearly. I see it in my Fuji images all the time.

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Thanks for summing up the focus issue Robert. Perhaps Andy didn't realise the images are 100% crops.

As for the test being ridiculous, I'll be the first one to admit that the Nikkor 12-24 may not be up to the standards of the Canon 16-35LI - but that was what I had available and the results are simply a confirmation of everything I've been reading in these forums and in discussion in pro photography newsgroups. (BTW, for the other posters who asked, both shots were done at f8 and part of a test I did here in Bangkok a few days ago). Suggest you check the EXIF.
Cheers,
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The WING GANG said:

Robert Whiteman said:

AndrewScott said:

WING GANG
Your Fuji shots are out of focus,

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What makes you say they're out of focus? The softness of the Fuji's
ability to render only so much detail ? Do this yourself and see
just how much sharp detail there is at 100% with fine detail.
It looks focused to me, just doesn't have the resolution to show it
more clearly. I see it in my Fuji images all the time.

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Thanks for summing up the focus issue Robert. Perhaps Andy didn't
realise the images are 100% crops.

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The fact that they are 100% crops is no excuse for them being out of focus. There are clear focusing errors in your shot, and motion blur to I suspect.

If you are going to run anymore "tests", I suggest you learn how to focus and use the equipment properly first

If you would like to see some properly focused shots at 100% I'll be happy to post them.

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puddleduck said:

The WING GANG said:

Robert Whiteman said:

AndrewScott said:

WING GANG
Your Fuji shots are out of focus,

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What makes you say they're out of focus? The softness of the Fuji's
ability to render only so much detail ? Do this yourself and see
just how much sharp detail there is at 100% with fine detail.
It looks focused to me, just doesn't have the resolution to show it
more clearly. I see it in my Fuji images all the time.

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Thanks for summing up the focus issue Robert. Perhaps Andy didn't
realise the images are 100% crops.

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puddleduck said:

If you would like to see some properly focused shots at 100% I'll
be happy to post them.

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Please do, I'd be very interested to see them. (Including EXIF)
ATB,
J
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Here is a 100% crop from a throwaway shot yesterday, I'm posting the out-of-the-camera JPEG and a 100% crop.

All EXIF is intact.

OOC JPEG:



100% crop:



I'll be the first to admit the S5 Pro is not super sharp when viewed at 100% (the 5d is very sharp due to its weak AA filter), but nevertheless the S5 Pro renders fine detail well enough, if focused correctly

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