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Well you can adjust the hues........etc..but that would take some time to do for a lot of photos.

The difference between the Sony and the KM cameras colour wise is.......Sony shifts the blue hues a fair bit, great for sky shots......but cools skintones somewhat. KM shifts the red mostly........which gives very nice skin tones, though if you are shooting with a strong red in a pic.......its really strong, sometimes needs a tone down (or shot RAW, then hit ACR which mutes everything anyway)

Not sure why the change was made.........neither is inaccurate as far as other hues go.......not a lot........its noticable..depending on what you shoot.

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Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:
that you dont have any room for error.......and I get better
results off the 6mp KM I have (at high ISO that is)
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I have to agree here , in further testing, the A100 looks like the
noisiest APS-C at ISO800 and above, even about 1/2 - 1/3 of a stop
noisier than the R1 !! - about a stop noisier than the D80 and 2/3
of a stop noisier than the noisy D2X (All checked in RAW) .... My
thought was that its because the sensor is on an Antishake platform
and can't be cooled properly (10Mp CCD needs more cooling?) but
it's probably just cheap amplifiers to keep costs down - Pentax's
AS doesn't really do much except make funy noises in the K100,
dunno about the K10D but the Sonys works pretty well ..
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I think part of the issue is ISO 1600 on the sony appears to be ISO 2000........! All the other ISO's are not what they say too.....that wont explain all the noise.......but its part of the problem.

They added a metal surround part to the KM5D sensor...the 7D does not have it............5D has improved high ISO a little over the 7D.....(could be the heat thing??) Have no idea if the sony has this.
Adam-T said:
Anyway - it's a damn good camera, this is the only real flaw in the
slaw (why no ISO button is a mystery - same for the Pentax K100 and
the D40)
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Yeah that is odd really.............not a dealbreaker....but I do use the ISO button a lot on the KM........
  • I'm sure that ....
Adam-T said:
It's funny really but I'm quite hankering after trying a used KM
7D, I always liked the body of that camera a lot and the IQ should
be the same as a D50, K100 or the KM 5D in RAW - the only killer of
course is Blackframe and repairs etc.
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7D is great.......blackframe.....no hassle here...(yet!)...though this is repairable for no charge out of warranty also (see KM website)

Still think an update wouldnt do any harm.......dont think it will happen though........next year maybe newer model.
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Agreed.

But you have to also consider that forums like this one really don't help.

If you go to the other forums on this site they are full of post where people are sharing their pictures, sharing tips and advice and enjoying their photography.

On this forum there are now only a handfull of contributors sharing their images, which often pass by without meaningful comment. It's easy to see why visitors might come to the conclusion that the A100 can't take a decent picture.

Often when you come to this forum you are faced with post after post moaning that there is no "Pro" model from Sony yet. Which suggests that the A100 is inadequate for it's purpose. A suggestion corroborated by the constant listing of the flaws which should be "rectified" in new models.

I've seen posts which are quite obviously Trolling perpetuated for weeks, which only encourages them. And I've seen newbies ask for help only to be flamed by fanboys.

If potential buyers come here from other sites or magazine reviews where they have seen evidence of a high iso noise problem, ferociously denying it just discredits anything else you have to say. They have seen evidence, unless you can show evidence to the contrary it just looks like we are in denial.

Personally I couldn't give a monkeys if people buy a Sony, I'm not on commission and I don't think that Sony really care about me now that they have my £700. I bought mine because all of the figures stacked up at the time. And I thought it was still Minolta enough to work.
If you want to champion Sony's cause then prove that it's a good camera.
Post good pictures!
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Kodakuser appologies Mate, read into your post the wrong way. i would agree with you, If you are new to photography leaving the camera in auto mode it takes decent photos.

I brought a Panasonic DMC-FZ50 in April as i thought a bridge camera would be a good starting point rather than splashing out far more money on a full DSLR. Although the Panasonic is good i find the Sony is so much easier to use and set up.
 
I am now an overly offensive fanboy with an agenda!!

My response to the OP:
IKB said:
I wasn't going to respond to the last post but one as it was
clearly becoming a pointless task but I'm not sure who the 'Fan boy
behaviour' line in your post is aimed at. If it was me, I am very
disappointed as I was only trying to correct an earlier response
that I knew to be wide of the mark so that you could make a better
informed decision.

I don't own an A100 nor am I a fan boy of any brand, I find loyalty
to a particular brand a strange practice. I simply have experience
of using the A100 (and it's predecessor the KM 5D) and can
therefore speak from that point of view. I don't think that any
attempt was made to say that the camera was perfect, just that the
issues mentioned were exaggerated in their seriousness (for
whatever reason). Correcting points that I know to be wrong doesn't
show allegiance to anything except an interest in accuracy.

When you get a response to your questions, would you rather they
were accurate or inaccurate? Perhaps it just isn't worth trying to
help people if this is the way that the help is received.
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Response from the guy whose ideas about the A100 I dared to correct:
IKB said:
Again, the original poster solicited "thoughts", "experiences" and "remarks" about two specific cameras. I have given my thoughts, experiences, and remarks about these cameras, as did quite a few others. However, you seem to have taken it upon yourself to pronouce my thoughts, experiences, and remarks to be wrong, inaccurate, exaggerated, etc. You also directly "called me out", demanding multiple > times that I explain my comments about the A100 and my experiences > with it using a display model.
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IKB said:
When you directly attack other posters opinions or comments (even with well worded criticisms or "corrections"), you do come across as a fanboy. Directly focussing only on me like you did makes you look like an overly offensive fanboy with an agenda.
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IKB said:
If you do not agree with me or others in this thread, a simple, "I have not had the same experiences with the Sony A100..." would have > sufficed, and then you could've continued to further explain your > perspective. No one likes to be told that their opinion or experiences are > wrong. It can be offensive enough when it's implied by someone posting > completely different experiences and opinoins as yours, but when you > blatantly tell another forum member they're wrong or demand they > justify their opinion, then you've taken it WAY too far.
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IKB said:
Again, no one has to justify their opinion to you. If the original poster ends up buying the Pentax, are you going to insist that he made a horrible decision and then demand that he come back to the thread and completely explain his poor purchasing decisions?
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What's the point?

I thought that forums were a place to help people. It seems that any criticism of anothers comments are unacceptable. Whatever happened to debate?

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BadtzMaru said:
In religion a fanboy is a fanatic not a heretic. A heretic would
be a hater in current jargon.
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No...."FanBoy" would be what the current religion in power users to discount the opinions of those unbelievers. Fanboy is most often use to put down happy owners or non Conika cameras.. or when someone dares to have an opinion that a Conika does not compare with other cameras in its class.

The Op was talking about how the Conika acolytes treated him when he reccomends the A100.

Very rarely does anyone ever call a Canon or Nikon owner a Fanboy.. even when defending a model that costs more but has significantly less ability except for the name badge.

And part of the problem is that Canon / Nikon make some great cameras that anyone looking at the $1000 + range should consider. But below that they use thier brand power to sell lesser cameras to people when Sony, Pentax, and Olympus have better values in that range because they have to compete on features.

But you don't have post like I have been recently about the D40s to get called Fanboy.

those of us that have posted on the D40 did not do the same for the D50, D80, nor any Rebel. That's because we honestly believe this one release is cynically short of features just to try to drive sales of the D80.. but as I have seen personally it actually may be driving D50 owners to Rebels. Nikon may be selling lots of cameras to people who will not buy lenses and don't want to upgrade... so how this affects thier attach and upgrade rates in the coming years will be interesting.

See I rarely enter dicsussion on any of the Canonki forums, and never to reccomend the Sony line unless the OP asks about it... but we often get Canika acolytes here... telling us we are wrong. Those would be your missionaries...trying the convert the heathen masses.

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Your earlier comments were right on the button....I am a new user of the A100, and as you may have gathered, I love the camera, and I am REALLY enjoying it....but there does seem to be a lack of enthusiasm for the product here, and not many shots posted...I shall as I said post loadsa pics...I shoot every day, and am really keen to improve....I am committed to the A100 and the A mount now, its probably because there is as yet only one Alpha model, things may look up when the new models arrive.....but you are correct...a new user may well get the wrong idea from reading so many posts about noise at hi ISO...I haven't even noticed a problem !!!

I am on my PDA at the moment, but I got some great shots today...will post them later

-- Sony A100 examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/ My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/ 'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100/Sony R1/Sony 717
 
BadtzMaru said:
In religion a fanboy is a fanatic not a heretic. A heretic would
be a hater in current jargon.
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At the risk of starting a theological discussion and hijacking the thread...

An heretic is anyone who believes in a different interpretation of a given holy book and denys the core tenents of a religion but still claims that religion as a label (for example, to deny the divinity of Christ but still call onesself a "Christian" is to be an heretic, while to deny the divinity of Christ and also deny that one is a Christian is to be, in religious terms, a "heathen").

An heretic is a fanboy for an unconventional interpretation, and does not necessarily "hate" any part of conventional dogma, rather, an heretic simply finds conventional dogma to be lacking.

A religious fanboy can be either orthodox or heretical, the distinction being merely one of what the fanaticism is about.

It would be more accurate to call a "hater" the religious equivalent of an apostate, which is to say someone who has chosen to reject the tenents of the religion of which they were once a part.
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IKB said:
Thanks for the support Ken, time to forget about it now I think. ;-)

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You right the Guy is a troll who likes stirring the pot.. or some issues..

Because he actually in the same thread wrote {close paraphrases}

"If you own the camera and have some experience..."

Then

"I touched the A100 twice in a store"

He also wrote

"The A100 did poorly in the reviews"

Then said about the Oly he chose

"And the reviews were about the same [in comparision of the A100]

So he's plying a game or has some issues....too bad.. except when he was fanboy bashing the A100 and attacking you he had some good posts.. but ruined them....

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Don't the forum rules actually say something about posting shots to the picture and galleries and not in the camera forums

"My latest picture" / gallery / multiple images - Unless it's discussion of a specific technique or setup please do not post "here's my latest picture / gallery" type posts in the camera specific forums, instead please use the Samples & Galleries forum. "

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Agreed Ken, they do...and on some forums, say the Sony forum with so many models, its a bit out of hand as people are posting shots with 5 year old P&S and also R1s...it doesnt really serve any useful purpose.

I somehow feel that this forum is a bit different though...to date Sony only produce one DSLR....everybody knows that a Nikon/Canon can produce great photos, but it is VERY hard for a potential buyer of an A100 to find decent examples from an A100...they can be sure that any image posted on this forum IS from an A100, and that is helpful for everybody

Furthermore, as spannerdude says....even if the shots posted are not technically perfect...an exchange of views can serve to help others evaluate the quality of the A100

When I was in the market for a DSLR...I really struggled to find good images from the A100, and also much evidence that there was a strong userbase that actually enjoyed the camera...which is wierd, because as I have found out...its a great camera

I have been posting alot recently...but if this is not what this forum wants, then I shall stop doing it...not sure if its OK ??
Ken_5D said:
Don't the forum rules actually say something about posting shots to
the picture and galleries and not in the camera forums

"My latest picture" / gallery / multiple images - Unless it's
discussion of a specific technique or setup please do not post
"here's my latest picture / gallery" type posts in the camera
specific forums, instead please use the Samples & Galleries forum. "

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
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Sony A100 examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/

My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/

'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'

Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100/Sony R1/Sony 717
 
I posted these yesterday
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1037&thread=23512005

Not saying they are great or anything...but from that one post came two great tips on correcting lens distortion, and one on cropping in photoshop, also the resolution and colour rendition of the A100 is demonstrated even if the nobody actually likes the shots...so I think IMHO...that such posts are helpful for a forum....its certainly what I am looking for

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Sony A100 examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mangizmo/sets/72157600209437795/

My blog at... http://southwestwanderings.blogspot.com/

'Take nothing but photographs....leave nothing but footprints'

Vaughan....KodakP880/Sony Alpha100/Sony R1/Sony 717
 
Vaughn,

Your posts are one of the reasons I chose the Alpha. Your landscapes are beautiful and the Cornwall scenery is fantastic. Please don't stop posting. I look forward to your pics everyday!

I've been meaning to ask you; where do you stay on your 650 mile journey. B&B's? Do you have a support team to carry your supplies from town to town? Please tell us more about your walking tour of the Southwest coast.
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Richard
Sony W1
Sony A100 Alpha
Sony 18-70 f3.5
Sony 75-300 f4.5
Minolta 50 RS f1.7
Minolta 70-210 f3.5
Lowe Pro SlingShot 200AW

 
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