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510 Review -When Phil????
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Bruce Carpman
Active member
yeah, that's what I was wondering, which is why I'm holding off till you review it. I didn't realize you didn't even have one yet!!
Here's my "way out there" guess. They're having problems with speed and usability related to the functioning of the live preview.
So, how long does it take a camera to make it from the bottom of the que to a final review
Thanks Phil
chopsteeks
Senior Member
Phil is busy trying to figure out how to spend them new found cash. Give him some time to enjoy it !!
gnarayan
Senior Member
Out of curiosity have you got the replacement E410 since the D40x review? I think everyone is curious to know if there is something "wrong" with the cameras or if this is just a large company being incompetent. Either way doesn't really reflect well on them.
...can be a worthwhile endeavor. While the effort at humor might normally be appreciated, it's out of place when the subject of the humor (Phil Askey) has already posted in this thread (see above).
Steve
Maybe they consider you far less important than you think you are.
There are after all so many other good camera review sites, and I suspect all the web reviews combined account only for a small percentage of sales.
Theo Keijzers
Leading Member
Wonder with us please, what could be the reason? The 1250-1600 iso thing? Live-view problems?
tricky dickie
Well-known member
Why all this doubt regarding the release date (which hasn't really been delayed)? There are people playing with this new toy as we speek, look up the recent threads down here.
They haven reported anything unusual here about the camera.
I think we tend to see ghosts here.
I agree (as a marketeer) that Phil should have gotten a model first, but let's not jump to too many assumptions on Olympus part.
We'll know more the next days as more and more people are getting them.
They haven reported anything unusual here about the camera.
I think we tend to see ghosts here.
I agree (as a marketeer) that Phil should have gotten a model first, but let's not jump to too many assumptions on Olympus part.
We'll know more the next days as more and more people are getting them.
Louis_Dobson
Forum Pro
probable weak point is noise at high ISO, and the USP is LiveView, and given the apparent (perfectly legitimate) priorities on this site, I can see why they'd not be in a great hurry.
It seems to be getting rave reviews elsewhere, as is the 410. I imagine Oly are pretty happy. All it takes is one really bad review to undo all the good work.
Personally, I'm really looking forward to the camera. I shall shoot RAW, lay off the high ISO, enjoy the IS and the LV, stick the superb pro lens on, and have a ball. For me, it should be just the job. You guys, I suspect, will like it less...
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It seems to be getting rave reviews elsewhere, as is the 410. I imagine Oly are pretty happy. All it takes is one really bad review to undo all the good work.
Personally, I'm really looking forward to the camera. I shall shoot RAW, lay off the high ISO, enjoy the IS and the LV, stick the superb pro lens on, and have a ball. For me, it should be just the job. You guys, I suspect, will like it less...
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Theo Keijzers
Leading Member
Who is making what up?
Sorry sounds dumb, but i do not understand what you are saying.
In this very thread, a Michael Meissner claims that he will be picking up his newly arrived 510 from a store in Boston. His post is titled "US shipments have begun." All I was saying was that unless Michael is lying, the camera has started shipping in the U.S., and we know from various other posts that people have already have them in countries like Australia.
So I am basically saying that the camera is out and that Phil Askey not having a camera to review has nothing to do with availability, as claimed by some.
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So I am basically saying that the camera is out and that Phil Askey not having a camera to review has nothing to do with availability, as claimed by some.
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Sounds like your excitement is building and your apprehension is melting away.
Do you think it is a reasonable assumption that the 510 could compete with the more expensive Canon 30D and Nikon D80? I know you did some research on this recently when trying to decide on your system.
Personally I've shot with a D200 and I really believe my IQ from my E500 did me better for my style of work(portraits). The casing was better in the D200 but it felt like I was carrying around a tank to do exactly the same job as my E500.
I really believe we are getting to the point where the only differences between the actual pro cameras and the nice prosumer models is basically body ruggedness, buttons and dials on the body, rapid fire speed, and autofocus points. IQ can be close or similar with the right lens body combinations.
As far as Phil getting a camera, it's probably just apathy on Olympus's part than anything. I'm sure they also want to make sure he has a "pristine" working model for the review also. Maybe they are just covering all the bases so another 410 problem will not happen.
Do you think it is a reasonable assumption that the 510 could compete with the more expensive Canon 30D and Nikon D80? I know you did some research on this recently when trying to decide on your system.
Personally I've shot with a D200 and I really believe my IQ from my E500 did me better for my style of work(portraits). The casing was better in the D200 but it felt like I was carrying around a tank to do exactly the same job as my E500.
I really believe we are getting to the point where the only differences between the actual pro cameras and the nice prosumer models is basically body ruggedness, buttons and dials on the body, rapid fire speed, and autofocus points. IQ can be close or similar with the right lens body combinations.
As far as Phil getting a camera, it's probably just apathy on Olympus's part than anything. I'm sure they also want to make sure he has a "pristine" working model for the review also. Maybe they are just covering all the bases so another 410 problem will not happen.
Perry Jacobs
Forum Enthusiast
Legitimate yes, perfect? - no and far from it. Mark my words, Dpreview will crucify the camera for very marginal differences in noise performance compared to d40x even though the differences are totally irrelevant to the target market while glossing over huf=ge advantages, namely in system weight and live view capability.
In the d40x review, dpreview couldn't even take the time to compare size and weight to the e410, choose the 2 year old and discontinued e-500 instead.
Maxwell Smart
Senior Member
Rather like the Pentax K110D, K100D, and K10D then. Using your logic, the E-410 and K110D are equal to the EOS-400D while the E-510 and K100D are the equal of the EOS-30D? The E-3 and the K10D are then the equal of the EOS-1D MkII ?
The E-3 (if it ever happens) will be a "pro" camera when more than about three professional photogs world-wide dumps their Canon or Nikon systems to go 4/3. Hold your breath for that to happen.
Yes, their fear of Olympus becoming the world-wide market leader in ANYTHING is clearly evident.
Yes, let's. The E-410 and E-510 are attractive entry-level DSLR's especially once the prices drop as they surely will. Claiming that these cameras will stand the industry on it's end, however, is simply unrealistic.
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Reviews from real users, while Mr. Askey's reviews are important, are more relevant than a review from this venue.
I, for one, am eagerly anticipating Michaels impression's of the E-510 and looking forward to some information from Ben Herrman as to his impressions.
Big Ga is a real user of Olympus cameras and will give an excellent representaion of its capabilities as I'm sure will Louis Dobson.
As an Olympus user, I much prefer impressions from people I've learned to trust, who are not "fanboys," and will provide a balanced opinion of personal experience with the new cameras.
Had I based my buying decision on "reviews" from this, and other sites, it's not likely that I'd own the excellent arsenal of cameras that I have today.
If I've left anyone out, it's only due to the fact that I'm getting older and my memory, "ain't what it used to be."
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I, for one, am eagerly anticipating Michaels impression's of the E-510 and looking forward to some information from Ben Herrman as to his impressions.
Big Ga is a real user of Olympus cameras and will give an excellent representaion of its capabilities as I'm sure will Louis Dobson.
As an Olympus user, I much prefer impressions from people I've learned to trust, who are not "fanboys," and will provide a balanced opinion of personal experience with the new cameras.
Had I based my buying decision on "reviews" from this, and other sites, it's not likely that I'd own the excellent arsenal of cameras that I have today.
If I've left anyone out, it's only due to the fact that I'm getting older and my memory, "ain't what it used to be."
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Bill Turner
Rappasol
Senior Member
zakk9
Senior Member
From the reviews and user reports that have appeared so far other places, both of the E-410 (that has the same sensor and probably the same processing) and E-510, it's apparent that this a very capable camera. Image quality is on par with the competitions, and feature-wise, it's ahead of any other offering at the price level.
If that isn't enough to make a decision, I don't know what is. Go try the camera, and see if it feels right. If it does, this is a winner.
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If that isn't enough to make a decision, I don't know what is. Go try the camera, and see if it feels right. If it does, this is a winner.
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zakk9
Senior Member
You may have a point here. This place is getting a bad a bad reputation among many "serious" photographers for focusing too much on details that are only a small part of photography, like high-ISO noise. It has become known as a pixel-peeper's hangout. The reviews here are excellent of course, and as a base for technical information, there's hardly anything like this place, but I tend to agree.
Another question is if a big review place like this should at all rely on the distributors ability or willingness to supply Phil with cameras. If a camera is interesting enough, buying one, and selling it after the conclusion of the review, shouldn't represent too much of a problem. Now, the sequence of the reviews is apparently up to the policies of the UK distributors. Neither the reviewer nor the interest from the readers of this web-site seem to count much.
Typically, the D40X, which by all means is an excellent camera, but a minor upgrade from the D40, has been reviewed already, while none of the new Olympuses, nor the 1DIII, have been through the process yet. It shows that Nikon has understood the process here very well, and gets the same camera reviewed twice within a few months, while Olympus hasn't had a DSLR review here since the "ancient" E-330.
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I guess you are under the impression that EVERY professional photographer shoots with Canon and or Nikon? It's true that once people buy into a system they rarely move because of the expense of lenses and such.
Let's not kid ourselves into thinking that every pro though shoots with $3000 cameras either. I know plenty who shoot with modest equipment or cameras you like to call "entry level".
Canon and Nikon's marketshare is not really a part of this discussion. It's well known and accepted they will be 1 and 2 with no problems. The hazy part is whether or not the E-510 and E-3 will produce the same quality pictures as the cameras you like to hang your hat on.
I believe they will produce that quality.
If they can produce that quality then maybe they can inch into some territory that Canon and Nikon hold now. I think if people actually shot with the 4/3 system and gave it a chance they would really enjoy some of the advantages that we all enjoy. Lightweight and portable system that's a joy to shoot with.
I think we can safely say that a good pro can take just as good of a picture with an E-510 as they could with a 30D or a D80. That was my initial point. And if people figure that out they might consider it to be a good value considering it's much cheaper than either of those systems, plus you get all the goodies like live view and dust reduction and IS.
I have friends with other systems and they would never know that the stuff I shoot and make money on was taken with an E-500 unless I told them.
Canon and Nikon and great systems, I just want the Olympus system to get the due where it is deserved.
Let's wait until we see the E3 before we doom it to the might Canon Nikon pros.
Peace out.
Let's not kid ourselves into thinking that every pro though shoots with $3000 cameras either. I know plenty who shoot with modest equipment or cameras you like to call "entry level".
Canon and Nikon's marketshare is not really a part of this discussion. It's well known and accepted they will be 1 and 2 with no problems. The hazy part is whether or not the E-510 and E-3 will produce the same quality pictures as the cameras you like to hang your hat on.
I believe they will produce that quality.
If they can produce that quality then maybe they can inch into some territory that Canon and Nikon hold now. I think if people actually shot with the 4/3 system and gave it a chance they would really enjoy some of the advantages that we all enjoy. Lightweight and portable system that's a joy to shoot with.
I think we can safely say that a good pro can take just as good of a picture with an E-510 as they could with a 30D or a D80. That was my initial point. And if people figure that out they might consider it to be a good value considering it's much cheaper than either of those systems, plus you get all the goodies like live view and dust reduction and IS.
I have friends with other systems and they would never know that the stuff I shoot and make money on was taken with an E-500 unless I told them.
Canon and Nikon and great systems, I just want the Olympus system to get the due where it is deserved.
Let's wait until we see the E3 before we doom it to the might Canon Nikon pros.
Peace out.
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