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Newb to digital camera's and photography. I have had a Canon S1 for a while now and have sold it to get a new camera. I have always wanted a DSLR but am afraid it might be overkill for me. I have been doing some research and have come to the conclusion that the following might be good cameras for me but I am unsure as a lot of the terminology is foriegn to me. I have always used just the S1 and have loved the pics I was able to get with it. I almost always left things on "auto" but with the next camera I want to have room to grow and learn. I want to become a better photographer and learn more about the hobby. With all of that being said here is the list of camera's I came up with. What do you guys think or suggest.

Canon S5
Panasonic FZ50
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Canon XT
Canon XTi
Nikon D40
Nikon D40x

If I missed one that would be better for me please suggest.

Thanks for helping this newb

Thanks,
Dale
 
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Recommend the Nikon D40 becasue it has the features and benefits you will need in a variety of situations. The price and performance is right! That's my suggestion today... . MN
 
It looks like you are on the path that is going to take you to a DSLR and you had just as soon go there first as later. I think you would learn more if you went for the Canon entry level DSLRs rather than the Nikon (unless your budget would reach to a D80). The D40's will do most of the work for you in-camera and it sounds like that is not what you need.

If you are happy about giving up live preview and content to change lenses with a specific purpose in mind, the DSLR will suit you fine especially as you will be able to get better quality images once you know how to use it.

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What are you guys opinions on these cameras? I have narrowed it down to the following. Canon 350/400, S5is, Sony dSLR. Whis is the better option. Are the lenses on the Sony cheaper in cost? Which is the better glass?

Thanks,
Dale
 
I wouldn't have the Sony if they gave it to me, just because of the way they treated those of us who had Minolta 7d's that died. You basically get the same warranty service as someone who has a dead walkman-minimal. I did play with the Sony Alpha, and didn't like the feel, too plasticky.

However, I DID want the in camera stabilization, so I went with a Pentax K100d, and wouldn't trade it for anything. NIce feel, nice controls, and great pictures. Add that to compatibility with darn near any Pentax lens ever made, and I'm happy.

Suggestion....I know you've done a lot of "auto" shooting, so don't stop that, but add a step to it. When you take a shot, make the first one in "auto" then go to full manual, set the same shutter/iso/aperature the camera chose, then try changing one or more of those and shooting the same shot again to see how it affects your images.

Also, get a Magic Lantern guide for whichever DSLR you get-great book to have.
 
Well I decided and ordered my first dSLR. As a beginner and being on a tight budget and wanting to get the most bang for my buck I ordered the following.

Canon Rebel XT (body only)
Sigma 70-300 f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro
Sigma 24-135 f/2.8-4.5 (77)

I hope I didn't make a mistake on the lenses. I figured I would get a couple around the price of these I bought and then as I learn and get better I can upgrade.

How did I do? Did I mess up? Did I do good? Thoughts?

Thanks,
Dale
 
I wouldn't have the Sony if they gave it to me, just because of the
way they treated those of us who had Minolta 7d's that died. You
basically get the same warranty service as someone who has a dead
walkman-minimal. I did play with the Sony Alpha, and didn't like
the feel, too plasticky.

However, I DID want the in camera stabilization, so I went with a
Pentax K100d, and wouldn't trade it for anything. Nice feel, nice
controls, and great pictures. Add that to compatibility with darn
near any Pentax lens ever made, and I'm happy.

Suggestion....I know you've done a lot of "auto" shooting, so don't
stop that, but add a step to it. When you take a shot, make the
first one in "auto" then go to full manual, set the same
shutter/ISO/aperture the camera chose, then try changing one or
more of those and shooting the same shot again to see how it
affects your images.

Also, get a Magic Lantern guide for whichever DSLR you get-great
book to have.
And I would go Sony for the same reason... How they have handeled Warranty service of abandonded cameras.

Konica Minolta walked away from the 7D and Sony after a bit of a rough change over.. has been repairing known issues out of warranty and if they don't have the parts buying back the 7Ds often for more than their market value. on websites like Walmart that were selling the last ones.. And yet Sony never sold one of those cameras nor made a dime off them. And probably had to sell five A100 to pay for each 7D buyback.

Lots of misplaced anger over KM walking out has been lumped on Sony.

The A100 has been way more reliable than either the 5D or 7D with their known issues like first black frame etc. I have seen very few "sent my A100 in for repair posts"

You have lots of great lenses to choose from both new and old and ALL of them unlike Canon or Nikon have stabilization in them to help with low light shots.

The Sony also includes features not on the Nikon or Canon.
Spot metering.. not on the Rebel
Auto braking of both exposure and WB (never use Wb bracketing) not on the D40

Compatibility with all the Minolta Auto focus lenses.. D40 requires the more expensive AF-S lenses
Wireless flash triggering not on either the Canon Rebels or the D40..

And of course the body is stabilized so you can choose from more than the select chosen lenses. There are some great bargains from companies like Sigma and Tamron not stabilized on the Nikon or Canon but stabilized on the Sony.

INMO the Canon and Nikon's systems really start with the 30D and D80... not the D40 and Rebel...

The A100 has a magnesium frame that ties key points like the base tripod mount and the lens mount. So people mistake light weight for poorly built, which it is not.

The Sony is based on the KM5D which I shoot and find a total joy to work with...

don't let an abandoned KM user talk you out of a great starter camera.. with lots of room to grow with features other reserve for their $1000 + cameras...

http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200705_sonya100.pdf

This is a Boston Shot taken at 90mm at 1/13 second hand held with a well reviewed close-out lens (MSRP $499) that I got for $120 last year. Can't do that on a Nikon or Canon as the IS/VR lenses always add $100 to $200 to the price... (and before the replies begin.. no I didn't want to carry a tripod with me all day for a few evening shots.) And the A100 stabilization is suppose to be just a bit better than what is on my camera.



I like the Canon system but wouldn't buy less than the 30D..personal preference for build and feature set.

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Well I decided and ordered my first dSLR. As a beginner and being
on a tight budget and wanting to get the most bang for my buck I
ordered the following.

Canon Rebel XT (body only)
Sigma 70-300 f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro
Sigma 24-135 f/2.8-4.5 (77)

I hope I didn't make a mistake on the lenses. I figured I would get
a couple around the price of these I bought and then as I learn and
get better I can upgrade.

How did I do? Did I mess up? Did I do good? Thoughts?

Thanks,
Dale
just read this...
I have both those lenses on my KM 5D and they are great lenses...

I used the Sigma for the Boston Tower shot in the previous post.. the lens is heavy but very nice as a walk around lens and being FF is very sharp in the digitals.

If I were to buy a rebel.. the XT would be the one I got.. 8MP is enough and good high ISO perfomance.. might help make up partway for no stabalization in the body.
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Sigma 24-135 f/2.8-4.5 (77)

I hope I didn't make a mistake on the lenses.
I think you will miss the wide lens, as XT has smaller sensor (APS-C, crop factor 1.6x comparing to 35mm film camera) and your Sigma is actually 38mm at the wide end. (24x1,6)
I can really suggest Tamron 17-50 2.8, at least on my XTI it's great
 
Can't do that on a Nikon or Canon
Why?
(Very nice photo BTW, I like it. Well done).
thanks...

Because you can't get a VR/IS lens of that sharpeness for $120 or even probably on those systems. and do this hand held. IE part of what I am including is the cost and convience to make this shot happen in the calculation

.. and it turns out the OP bought this very lens for his new Canon.. but to so this same shot will need to also have a tripod.

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Thanks for all of the information. It is awesome how people help out the beginners with advice and knowledge. Thanks again.

Dale
 
Can't do that on a Nikon or Canon
Why?
(Very nice photo BTW, I like it. Well done).
thanks...
Because you can't get a VR/IS lens of that sharpeness for $120 or
even probably on those systems. and do this hand held. IE part of
what I am including is the cost and convience to make this shot
happen in the calculation

.. and it turns out the OP bought this very lens for his new
Canon.. but to so this same shot will need to also have a tripod.
I see.

But if you shot it handheld at 1/13s , maybe someone else will have steady enough hands do do it sans VR/IS.

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Can't do that on a Nikon or Canon
Why?
(Very nice photo BTW, I like it. Well done).
thanks...
Because you can't get a VR/IS lens of that sharpeness for $120 or
even probably on those systems. and do this hand held. IE part of
what I am including is the cost and convience to make this shot
happen in the calculation

.. and it turns out the OP bought this very lens for his new
Canon.. but to so this same shot will need to also have a tripod.
I see.
But if you shot it handheld at 1/13s , maybe someone else will have
steady enough hands do do it sans VR/IS.
at 90mm a surgeon maybe... but that is not a feature of any system even Canon's :)

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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
I see.
But if you shot it handheld at 1/13s , maybe someone else will have
steady enough hands do do it sans VR/IS.
at 90mm a surgeon maybe... but that is not a feature of any system
even Canon's :)
Oh yes, slow-shutter handheld telephoto is no easy task. Again, that was a very good job.

A few weeks back I was asked to shoot still for a fil-making class, and managed to handhold at very low speed. The pic below is at a conservative 33mm, but at a very low 1/3s. Curiously, a good number of pics that day were quite usable, despite the low light and no tripod (a no-go in the set).

The faily good results came to me as a surprise, as I'd usually need a few stops above that to avoid blur.



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