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Eugene Powers
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We started talking about real life so I mentioned it.But, that test does not reflect real life usage of the lens. Who
takes pics where DOF is not in the equation? I mean, lots of
people don't think about DOF, but DOF is a factor in the pic,
pretty much every single time. Except for those that just take
pics of flat objects, such as brick walls. : )I'm missing your point.Well, most cars are tested for all kinds of things but in real life
most people don't drive them at maximum speed or maximum cornering.
How do you know they have equal performance? They use different glass, different elements of glass, different groups of glass.I'll agree that the "brick wall test" is a good test, but you must
still stop the lens down 1 1/3 stops on the FF camera to make it
valid. However, the tests that you were saying were invalid, were
of books on a bookshelf, which is, of course, the same thing as
shooting a brick wall.But if both lenses have equal performance, why do you feel that isInvalid because two totally different lenses were used.
invalid? It is completely valid. Even if the lenses were not
equal, then, barring a defective lens, so be it. Whichever lens is
better speaks to the advantage of the format that lens is being
used on.
Does Corvette perform the same as Ferrari? They both are top sports cars.
No you can't. It's like saying that you take pictures only at F11 because all your lenses perform their best at F11. Sure go ahead put them at F11 and it will invalidate all of the tests.Because we are talking about equivalent images. DOF is not outI still don't understand why FF camera needs to be stopped down.
DOF is out so the same aperture should be used.
-- DOF is central . I mean, if you take DOF out of the equation,
you are taking f-ratio out of the equation, so I may as well just
put the camera on whatever f-ratio I please.
Once again, in order for the test to be valid you need to eliminate all of the variables except for the test object. And in case of the lenses you can't set it at F11 because we all know that at this aperture corners will be sharp on both cameras. The best would be to use the lens at it's worst F-stop or in case of 16-35mm that would be F2.8.To that end, if you wish to compare the two systems at their
maximum sharpness, that is, set the f-ratio on each system to
whatever f-ratio delivers the best image, then I'll agree to that,
although by doing that, you are saying that all you care about is
sharpness, and that DOF is irrelevant to you, which, methinks, is
absurd.
But in real life while I am taking real pictures of course I would strongly consider DOF and FOV and everything else. That is what makes me better photographer. In fact I hardly use my 16-35mm at anything lower than F11 because I know the limitation of my lenses. In fact I can use at F5.6 and get acceptable results but I don't.
So the final point of mine would be, you can't compare real life to the test. In test you can drive Ferrari at 200mph in real life even if you could drive it that fast there are many variable that will prevent you from driving it that fast.
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--joe
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Eugene
The only time a smaller sensor with the same pixel count is superior to a larger sensor (aka higher pixel density) is when you are focal-length limited.
Lee Jay