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This is not the first time we discussed this. I showed you some of my Minolta 7D work and it shows way more warmth and saturated than these pictures. Those were mainly jpegs.

With Canon I have a choice of lots of colours even if I don't use RAW-----with Picture Styles I have such access to different looks. I shoot primarily with RAW now because I want to customize it even further plus I find that I have more details in the highlight areas than jpeg.

Another thing great about CMOS is when I shoot images ISO 800 and over. They're cleaner than my 7D images.

BTW, you seem to be an expert in skin tones and colours------how come I have yet to see your work. See in the Philippines they have this saying that 'mahirap pag puro salita lang----laway lang yan' (difficult if one is just saying stuff and nothing to back up).

Cheers,

José
junMel said:
Jose, I know Canon is a great camera but, maybe, Photoshopping the
images too much causes your model to suffer "jaundice". They don't
look like the Minolta lenses' natural skin tone. Please take it
with open mind and as a good criticism, nobody is perfect, but the
fault could be with your uncalibrated monitor that mislead you to
adjust skin tone to "natural".

Hope this will help.
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1DIIN and the portraiture lens grand sLam
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/favorite_poses
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
 
You have a heavy problem to see colors. Maybe it's a good idea, to meet your local eye specialist.
If I have a skin tone like the chick on the pic, I must be serious ill ... ;-)
 
Hey Jose,

Take it easy, everyone has a comment, like the hole at their...., and skin tone is really subjective thing. i.e. a "natural" warmth skin tone from Minolta will not work for Asian chick since they want their skin "white". Anyway...yes I still prefer Minolta color over Canon, but picking the right tools to do the right job is the key.

And Jose, are you going to take a look? I'm going there at 26th 10:30.

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Marvin
http://www.14stop.com/

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KM 7D + Minolta Maxxum 7 + Sony A100
Minolta 35mm f1.4
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Minolta 85mm f1.4 G
Konica Minolta 17-35 f2.8-4.5 (D)
Konica Minolta 28-75 f2.8 (D)
Konica Minolta 18-200 f3.5-6.3 (D)
Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5 (D)
Minolta 80-200mm f2.8 HS APO G
Minolta 5600HS D (x2)
Metz 50 MZ-5
Sigma EF-500 Super DG MA ADI
 
LOL, yes I know it's a forum and everybody has the right to voice their opinions.

I'm surprised that a lot have this opinion that the skintones and colours from my images are Canon-centric. The knock on Canon in the past has been that the colours look too magenta-ish. As a matter of fact when I first got the 20D about 1.5 years ago and shot jpeg that is the colour-bent I got.

As you know it is very easy to get an accurate skintone. You just have to calibrate your monitor, ensure that the exposure/metering is spot on as well as getting the white balance correctly. It does not matter what type of camera you use. I like my tones warmer thus I seldom go with the correct skin tone settings except maybe when shooting in the golden hour.
mlam3d said:
Take it easy, everyone has a comment, like the hole at their....,
and skin tone is really subjective thing. i.e. a "natural" warmth
skin tone from Minolta will not work for Asian chick since they
want their skin "white". Anyway...yes I still prefer Minolta color
over Canon, but picking the right tools to do the right job is the
key.
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I'll pass on this one buddy. I know how important this is to you and hope you get the 7D replacement you are looking for.
mlam3d said:
And Jose, are you going to take a look? I'm going there at 26th 10:30.
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Cheers,

José
mlam3d said:
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Marvin
http://www.14stop.com/

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KM 7D + Minolta Maxxum 7 + Sony A100
Minolta 35mm f1.4
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Minolta 85mm f1.4 G
Konica Minolta 17-35 f2.8-4.5 (D)
Konica Minolta 28-75 f2.8 (D)
Konica Minolta 18-200 f3.5-6.3 (D)
Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5 (D)
Minolta 80-200mm f2.8 HS APO G
Minolta 5600HS D (x2)
Metz 50 MZ-5
Sigma EF-500 Super DG MA ADI
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1DIIN and the portraiture lens grand sLam
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/favorite_poses
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
 
José B said:
BTW, you seem to be an expert in skin tones and colours------how
come I have yet to see your work. See in the Philippines they have
this saying that 'mahirap pag puro salita lang----laway lang yan'
(difficult if one is just saying stuff and nothing to back up).
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Yes, I would like to see some of his photos too.

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Henry Richardson
http://www.bakubo.com
 
About those colors - they looked a bit "off" on my monitor, too, so I looked at the EXIF. Unless there's an error with my FireFox addin, it says the pictures use an uncalibrated color space - not sRGB. (BTW, this isn't a criticism of your work; I always enjoy it!)

Rich
 
Hi Rich,

No worries. Forget the EXIF, I will give you the play-by-play.

Lighting:

This is my favourite lighting situation. Model is lit by the sun behind her giving a really nice hairlight. The skin just glows in this scenario. Unlike most photographers, I really don't like overcast/cloudy lighting-----I think it is too flat.

Strategy:

I want to fill the shadows so I used a tad of fill flash

Tools used:

I wanted accurate WB so I used Expodisc.
I used Sekonic L-558 because I wanted to get the exposure right from the outset.

Wireless flash setup: I positioned my 580EX (Canon flashgun) with Lightsphere II cloud mounted on a tripod.

As I mentioned before, my Samsung LCD monitor and Dell Inspiron are both calibrated via Spyder 2 Suite. In addition to these, I saw these images too on my sister's two monitors. In other words, I love what I am seeing from any of these monitors.

The first image is the original pic----no colour manipulation nor sharpening. The second one, I applied a tad of Velvia Vision and some USM. Since I like my skintones warmer, I prefer the second one.

BTW, absolutely love the model's makeup!

BOTTOM LINE: Skintones/colours just like anything in life is INTENSELY PERSONAL.





Cheers,

José
RichV said:
About those colors - they looked a bit "off" on my monitor, too, so
I looked at the EXIF. Unless there's an error with my FireFox
addin, it says the pictures use an uncalibrated color space - not
sRGB. (BTW, this isn't a criticism of your work; I always enjoy it!)

Rich
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1DIIN and the portraiture lens grand sLam
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/favorite_poses
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
 
I take pictures too.

[im] http://img7.modelmayhem.com/070510/04/4642dba958350.jpg[/img }

4638113c92a99.jpg



http://img3.modelmayhem.com/060307/02/440d410065366.jpg[img/]

[img] http://img7.modelmayhem.com/070504/15/463b876a5647c.jpg
José B said:
Legacys_Quest7 said:
They know that Jose is tempted to come back. His heart never left
Minolta aka Sony.
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Don't know about that, ever since I moved to Canon I don't have to
worry about gear-----I just make pictures :-)

















Cheers,

José
José B said:
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http://www.legacys-photo.com
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1DIIN and the portraiture lens grand sLam
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/favorite_poses
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
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http://www.legacys-photo.com
 
Thanks for the explanation - but I finally figured out what the issue was on my monitor: you saved/posted it in Adobe RGB. After your explanation, I downloaded one of the pics and opened it in PS, which immediately let me know it wasn't in my working color space. Once I converted it, the colors shifted (I'm pretty sure you know this, but sRGB is the web standard - browsers can't correctly handle anything else, and color renditions just aren't right ... your images look even better, btw, with the color set right).

Rich
 
Do you adjust/calibrate the Sekonic for the Canon's ISO response? I recall Phil's notes on how the Canons actually deliver a higher ISO than the number says, so I'm wondering if you're able to program that into the meter.

Rich
 
Eventually, I'm putting my eyes on the Sony Pro body (the funky head one) and the demo they put up for wireless flash. This summer will be a decision point for me either stay or to Canon (properly a 1Dm2n and some L lenses, I can't justify a 1Dm3 yet). For me a reliable flash system and fast AF is more important than AS now. Minolta still be the best handling camera I even have, but in digital age, it really behind the competition and what I need. And we will see how Sony do.

Cheers~

--
Marvin
http://www.14stop.com/

------------------------------------------

KM 7D + Minolta Maxxum 7 + Sony A100
Minolta 35mm f1.4
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Minolta 85mm f1.4 G
Konica Minolta 17-35 f2.8-4.5 (D)
Konica Minolta 28-75 f2.8 (D)
Konica Minolta 18-200 f3.5-6.3 (D)
Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5 (D)
Minolta 80-200mm f2.8 HS APO G
Minolta 5600HS D (x2)
Metz 50 MZ-5
Sigma EF-500 Super DG MA ADI
 
I was looking at the before and after color correction from another that corrected Jose's image. In the inital image, the model has a green/magenta cast on the skin. After the correction, the skin colors looked more on the pink side. Correct regarding the color space. When posting on the web, srgb is best to prevent color shift. I only use Adobe RGB 98 for printing. Also, color is going to vary from monitor to monitor. The best thing to do is calibrate. The only thing that I recommend from Jose is going into the 'selective color' in the layers panel and use the nuetral color to add some pop to the image. It doesn't change your color, but it makes the image look less dull in colors, giving it a little deminsion. A few have a flat look. Other than that, the images are fine.
RichV said:
Thanks for the explanation - but I finally figured out what the
issue was on my monitor: you saved/posted it in Adobe RGB. After
your explanation, I downloaded one of the pics and opened it in PS,
which immediately let me know it wasn't in my working color space.
Once I converted it, the colors shifted (I'm pretty sure you know
this, but sRGB is the web standard - browsers can't correctly
handle anything else, and color renditions just aren't right ...
your images look even better, btw, with the color set right).

Rich
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http://www.legacys-photo.com
 
Hi Rich,

No I am not aware of Phil's findings on Canon and Sekonic meters and neither do I have to calibrate. The Sekonic and the Expodisc are my favourite tools.

Cheers,

José
RichV said:
Do you adjust/calibrate the Sekonic for the Canon's ISO response? I
recall Phil's notes on how the Canons actually deliver a higher ISO
than the number says, so I'm wondering if you're able to program
that into the meter.

Rich
Click to expand...
--
1DIIN and the portraiture lens grand sLam
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/favorite_poses
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
 
Hi Marv,

If I was still shooting with the Minolta equipment I will definitely go with the Sony pro camera. It could be a long wait for you guys as the semi-pro will be introduced first. I really don't see Sony coming out with the pro version less than six months before they launch the semi-pro.

José
mlam3d said:
Eventually, I'm putting my eyes on the Sony Pro body (the funky
head one) and the demo they put up for wireless flash. This summer
will be a decision point for me either stay or to Canon (properly a
1Dm2n and some L lenses, I can't justify a 1Dm3 yet). For me a
reliable flash system and fast AF is more important than AS now.
Minolta still be the best handling camera I even have, but in
digital age, it really behind the competition and what I need. And
we will see how Sony do.

Cheers~

--
Marvin
http://www.14stop.com/

------------------------------------------

KM 7D + Minolta Maxxum 7 + Sony A100
Minolta 35mm f1.4
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Minolta 85mm f1.4 G
Konica Minolta 17-35 f2.8-4.5 (D)
Konica Minolta 28-75 f2.8 (D)
Konica Minolta 18-200 f3.5-6.3 (D)
Minolta 24-105mm f3.5-4.5 (D)
Minolta 80-200mm f2.8 HS APO G
Minolta 5600HS D (x2)
Metz 50 MZ-5
Sigma EF-500 Super DG MA ADI
Click to expand...
--
1DIIN and the portraiture lens grand sLam
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/favorite_poses
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
 
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