Jared Hunter
Senior Member
Those samples don't tell the whole story. We still have to wait for high ISO shots.
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1) "The zoom ratio can be extended up to 7x in 3-megapixel resolution mode with minimal deterioration thanks to the Extra Optical Zoom. By using the central part of the CCD"
"Extra Optical Zoom" is in fact Digital zoom. It is intesting to see that going from 12 MP to 3 MP is "minimal" deterioration.
2) "the FX100 can also record stunning wide-aspect HD (1280 x 720) motion images at 15 frames per second. This enables you to view them on a widescreen HDTV television perfectly."
Even DPReview fell for that one "... also able to capture HD video...".
HD video is more than resolution. 15 frames per second is not HDTV.
3)"In High-Speed Burst shooting mode the FX100 fires off an incredible eight shots per second. If this wasn’t enough, you also get unlimited consecutive shooting".
Nothing about reduced resolution. If it sounds "incredible", may be it is.
Frank
"Extra Optical Zoom" is in fact Digital zoom. It is intesting to see that going from 12 MP to 3 MP is "minimal" deterioration.
2) "the FX100 can also record stunning wide-aspect HD (1280 x 720) motion images at 15 frames per second. This enables you to view them on a widescreen HDTV television perfectly."
Even DPReview fell for that one "... also able to capture HD video...".
HD video is more than resolution. 15 frames per second is not HDTV.
3)"In High-Speed Burst shooting mode the FX100 fires off an incredible eight shots per second. If this wasn’t enough, you also get unlimited consecutive shooting".
Nothing about reduced resolution. If it sounds "incredible", may be it is.
Frank
Joe0Bloggs
Veteran Member
I'm looking at the landscape image. (i.e. last image)
At 100% I see blue and red dots all over the river.
Resolution is bad on center frame and much, much worse toward the edges.
I don't see more than 6 megapixels worth of resolution anywhere in the image (i.e. sharp on center image only when zoomed out to 2800x2100 in IrfanView) and the edges of the image are hardly sharp even when I use the whole image as the desktop wallpaper.
This is reverse progress at its finest, people...
R.I.P. my K.M. 5-D 16-4-2007
Ignore everything I post here from now on. All postings 100% pure hot air completely detached from reality
(well, except for those posts that aren't about taking pictures in the first place)
At 100% I see blue and red dots all over the river.
Resolution is bad on center frame and much, much worse toward the edges.
I don't see more than 6 megapixels worth of resolution anywhere in the image (i.e. sharp on center image only when zoomed out to 2800x2100 in IrfanView) and the edges of the image are hardly sharp even when I use the whole image as the desktop wallpaper.
This is reverse progress at its finest, people...
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R.I.P. my K.M. 5-D 16-4-2007
Ignore everything I post here from now on. All postings 100% pure hot air completely detached from reality
(well, except for those posts that aren't about taking pictures in the first place)
VladimirV
Senior Member
Agree with your comments. The last image is pretty bad, too soft, noise compression artifacts (especially on the waterfall), smearing of detail and looks completely out of focus. If this is how a low ISO picture will look then I do not want to see how bad a high ISO image will be smeared by the Venus III engine.
Robiro
Veteran Member
Panasonic is under a strategy of stealing a major portion of Canon's and Sony's and Olympus's and Nikon's cake in few years time.
This is just to apply pressure and keep increasing their market share. And if it takes 24 megapixels in an ultracompact camera, they are going to do it!
This is just to apply pressure and keep increasing their market share. And if it takes 24 megapixels in an ultracompact camera, they are going to do it!
Robiro
Veteran Member
Yes. But here I would go with Panasonic because of Leica's lens. I am sure FX100 is going to beat other 12-MP ultracompact cameras in bright sunlight because Leica is once again going to save them.
Robiro
Veteran Member
There is no digital zooming. You get extra optical zoom by sacrificing resolution. But the image is not digitally zoomed.
... and yet I'd like to see a review. With this zoom range and IS the camera sounds nice on paper. You simply have to ignore the ISO 6400 claim. Results will be completely useless. Better to judge the camera on its performance with more realistic sensitivities up to ISO 400 or 800.
An aspect I'd also like to see reviewed is whether the lens in a camera like this is good enough for a resolution as high as 12mp.
An aspect I'd also like to see reviewed is whether the lens in a camera like this is good enough for a resolution as high as 12mp.
paulbod3
Leading Member
Do you think that :
Sony, Zeiss, Matsushita, Technics, National Semiconductors, Panasonic, Leica and Casio
are low technology companies ? Far remote from the public ?
Barry please leave the anti-historical and hysterical boat of the flat earth low pixelians or we shall see a Linn Sundeck camera at 3MP, 1kg and 1500 Lstg.
Sony, Zeiss, Matsushita, Technics, National Semiconductors, Panasonic, Leica and Casio
are low technology companies ? Far remote from the public ?
Barry please leave the anti-historical and hysterical boat of the flat earth low pixelians or we shall see a Linn Sundeck camera at 3MP, 1kg and 1500 Lstg.
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Barry Fitzgerald
Guest
So you find it acceptable for a company to claim ISO 6400? And that this isnt pulling one over the unsuspecting consumer?
Wake up please....
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paulbod3
Leading Member
ISO 6400 is an option, we can use it or not, as simple as that.
How many times do we try to save an image in PP ?
This is the manufacturer proposal for near darkness, ISO 6400 @ 1/8 2.8 is not for a bright day...
How many times do we try to save an image in PP ?
This is the manufacturer proposal for near darkness, ISO 6400 @ 1/8 2.8 is not for a bright day...
I want Phil do do a good comparison of high Mega Pixel and high iso in his review and if he feels this is all PR hype give them a below average rating, and tell the non informed why .....
Nikon, Canon, Pentax and Oly can't get there aps-c (Oly 4/3rd's) sized sensors 12mp and good iso 800 or 1600 quality, where do Pany and Casio get off selling small sensor cameras at this high MP .. what a joke !
wll
Nikon, Canon, Pentax and Oly can't get there aps-c (Oly 4/3rd's) sized sensors 12mp and good iso 800 or 1600 quality, where do Pany and Casio get off selling small sensor cameras at this high MP .. what a joke !
wll
HENNIGArts
Member
Me, too.
If 6 MPx out of a 12 MPx Cam are as good as out of an 6 MPx Cam, than I can live with the Megapixel war going on forever. There might be shots, where a lot of pixels in bright light might be usefull, so putting them on top of good 6 MPx images is ok. But a cam only offering bad quality 12 MPx is not. Let's test it!
HENNIGArts
Member
Cropping is digital zooming!
eddie_cam
Leading Member
Digital zooming = cropping + interpolation
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HENNIGArts
Member
And when you give your pictures into print in large scale, they will do the interpolation for you. The same when you view it in large scale on a monitor: the viewer does the interpolation. Cropping ist digital zoom. Optical zoom is changing the field of view with maintaining the same resolution.
HENNIGArts
Member
The Panasonic lens is as much Leica as the Sony lens is Zeiss. ;-)
Even DPReview did not include the so called "Extra Optical Zoom" in their reference to the camera optical zooming capability.
There are two kinds of Digital zoom. Both are based on using part of the CCD. Some manufacturers crop the image and then restore full resolution with extrapolation. Others just crop the image - This seems to be what Panasonic is doing. It can be done with digital manipulation, off camera.
Croping an image is not "Optical zooming" unless you are trying to mislead naive buyers. Why not claim 100x "Extra Optical Zoom" and give the user just a few pixels? It is meaningless.
A few years ago, many manufacturer played the bame of announcing huge zooms that were just digital cropping. When the users got a bit educated, most manufacturer started to mention "Optical zoom" in their advertising to show that they are not cheating. Now Panasonic is playing the old dishonest game again.
Frank
Robiro
Veteran Member
The camera does not upscale the image. It stays at 3 MP. Hence, there is no digital zoom.