action panos

wetodit · Mar 8, 2002

Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

I've attempted a few panos, and I know they take some time to set up! I mean, just to line up the shot (and make sure the AE LOCK is on...

) takes time in itself, not to mention all the other bells that the cameras have! It seems that either the subject would have moved by the time I take the picture! I am intrigued!

Could anyone share their strategies for taking action panos?

Thanks again,

GB-- http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

Yehuda Katz · Mar 8, 2002

GB,

These are not stitched panos, but cropped "normal" photos.

Yehuda

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

I've attempted a few panos, and I know they take some time to set
up! I mean, just to line up the shot (and make sure the AE LOCK is
on... ) takes time in itself, not to mention all the other bells
that the cameras have! It seems that either the subject would have
moved by the time I take the picture! I am intrigued!

Could anyone share their strategies for taking action panos?

Thanks again,

GB
--
http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

Gil Biderman · Mar 8, 2002

Hi,

I can't answer you about how these photos been made, but one thing catched my eye on the Sharpshooter photo that maybe will give you the answer:
I don't think the Sharpshooter photo is an action pano.

A Sharpshooter should freeze and be very steady before he will press the trigger (enough time to take all the pictures needed for the panorama).

But, and here is what I think I discovered: look at the ejected bullet after supposedly a signal shot... This is NOT an empty Shell! It still has the projectile (bullet) attached to it. Could be placed there in a photo editing software.

The same goes for the "Category 3s line up for Criterium" photo; they are holding the position, so it is possible to take few photos and stitch them tougher to a pano.

And for the "Birds" well, this is an action pano for real, could be two photos taken as a burst will panning and tracking on the flight

Gil.

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

I've attempted a few panos, and I know they take some time to set
up! I mean, just to line up the shot (and make sure the AE LOCK is
on... ) takes time in itself, not to mention all the other bells
that the cameras have! It seems that either the subject would have
moved by the time I take the picture! I am intrigued!

Could anyone share their strategies for taking action panos?

Thanks again,

GB
--
http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

--Gil Biderman--------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.pbase.com/gbiderman/galleries

Shutter. · Mar 8, 2002

GB,

These are just cropped to look like panos. And yes, that begs the question: Are they real panos?

Jim

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

I've attempted a few panos, and I know they take some time to set
up! I mean, just to line up the shot (and make sure the AE LOCK is
on... ) takes time in itself, not to mention all the other bells
that the cameras have! It seems that either the subject would have
moved by the time I take the picture! I am intrigued!

Could anyone share their strategies for taking action panos?

Thanks again,

GB
--
http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

--Jim Fuglestad http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries

Gil Biderman · Mar 8, 2002

Or… you can forget about my conspiracy theory (about the bullet) and take the simple explanation given by Yahuda and Jim

Gil.

--Gil Biderman--------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.pbase.com/gbiderman/galleries

ZipperZ · Mar 8, 2002

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

I've attempted a few panos, and I know they take some time to set
up! I mean, just to line up the shot (and make sure the AE LOCK is
on... ) takes time in itself, not to mention all the other bells
that the cameras have! It seems that either the subject would have
moved by the time I take the picture! I am intrigued!

Could anyone share their strategies for taking action panos?

Thanks again,

GB
--
http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

I agree with Jim.

I dont believe these are 'true' panos (numberous images stitched together). Especially the birds in flight. They are all just cropped at top and bottom.

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Solomon · Mar 8, 2002

I don't know if you have already tried this avenue. But, the site posts the name email address of each winning photographer. Have you tried getting the scoop directly from them?
-EL

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

Mike47900 · Mar 8, 2002

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?

I think the first two are cropped images (and the shell casing looks like an authentic empty .223 cartridge to me). The third looks like a stitched pano, It's not hard to do when your subjects are relatively motionless.

Mike

David Pichevin · Mar 8, 2002

wetodit said:
Friends,

I've been trying to figure this out, but have not gotten very far.
How are action panos made?
Take these, for example:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=282171

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=281993

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/photodisplay.asp?photoid=277564

I've attempted a few panos, and I know they take some time to set
up! I mean, just to line up the shot (and make sure the AE LOCK is
on... ) takes time in itself, not to mention all the other bells
that the cameras have! It seems that either the subject would have
moved by the time I take the picture! I am intrigued!

Could anyone share their strategies for taking action panos?

Only the bird photo is "action". The first 2 are just cropped photos. The third one is a stitched pano, but there's not too much action in it besides some head-moving

They are just standing there. You just have to take your pictures quickly to have as little movement as possible, like I did with my goats

--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

wetodit · Mar 8, 2002

Thank you all for your explanations!

I guess that having a cropped image to look like a pano is a good way to do things,

but I don't think they should be referred as true panoramic pictures because they confuse people like me.

I like panoramic pictures...I think that panos and night pictures are my favorite kind to shoot, but all photography is good photography. I just hope that some day it will come to me more naturally, as I still struggle to remember white balance and the such.
Again,
thanks to everyone for replying!
GB-- http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

BruceN · Mar 8, 2002

I'll throw in this suggestion for panos, though it doesn't apply to the panos you referenced in your links.

There are panoramic lense adapters you can purchase to take single shot panoramics. I've seen a couple available, one that shoots a full 180 degrees and another that shoots a full 360 degrees in a single shot. Of course, the resolution isn't as good, but you don't have to worry about multiple artifacts in stitching nor the color matching when lighting changes over the scene. Definitely the way to go if you want to take 'action' panos.

Here is an example of one product:

http://www.eggsolutions.com/US/in.asp?9

Bruce

wetodit said:
Thank you all for your explanations!
I guess that having a cropped image to look like a pano is a good
way to do things,
but I don't think they should be referred as true panoramic
pictures because they confuse people like me.
I like panoramic pictures...I think that panos and night pictures
are my favorite kind to shoot, but all photography is good
photography. I just hope that some day it will come to me more
naturally, as I still struggle to remember white balance and the
such.
Again,
thanks to everyone for replying!
GB
--
http://www.pbase.com/wetodit

David Pichevin · Mar 8, 2002

BruceN said:
I'll throw in this suggestion for panos, though it doesn't apply to
the panos you referenced in your links.

There are panoramic lense adapters you can purchase to take single
shot panoramics. I've seen a couple available, one that shoots a
full 180 degrees and another that shoots a full 360 degrees in a
single shot. Of course, the resolution isn't as good, but you
don't have to worry about multiple artifacts in stitching nor the
color matching when lighting changes over the scene. Definitely the
way to go if you want to take 'action' panos.

Here is an example of one product:

http://www.eggsolutions.com/US/in.asp?9

It would probably be great if you want to get a very wide picture and are not able to take several shots (wide angle lens). For a regular panorama (landscape) I would still go for several shots and good stitching. Zooming in some will greatly help reduce the horrible barrel distortion that you can get at full wide and make it much easier to stich it later witht he right program. This still allows you to get good stitching results by starting with relatively problem free shots and keep the ability to crop and have much more detail on your shot, which is the main poitn in panorama stitching IMO (as opposed to shooting wide and cropping it to make it look like a panorama).

David.
--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

glynne · Mar 8, 2002

I'm not sure if I agree with you guys - I think it would be cheating to call a single shot a pano. Certainly, I think that "sharpshooter" would be doable considering, as Gil mentioned, that the subject has to be almost motionless. Nevertheless, there does seem to be something strange going on - e.g. an ejected shell, but no muzzle flash, no smoke, and no recoil?

David Pichevin · Mar 8, 2002

glynne said:
I'm not sure if I agree with you guys - I think it would be
cheating to call a single shot a pano. Certainly, I think that
"sharpshooter" would be doable considering, as Gil mentioned, that
the subject has to be almost motionless. Nevertheless, there does
seem to be something strange going on - e.g. an ejected shell, but
no muzzle flash, no smoke, and no recoil?

It doesn't really make a difference in terms of how you call it. Usually a panorama is a photo that shows a panoramic view of something, whether it's been stitched or not. I don't see the point in talking about cheating or not cheating. Depends what you want to do. When you gat a camera with 20M pixels and you can step back far enough you won't really have to do any stitching. The landscape that you will take in one shot with your 707 now and its 5M pixels, you will be able to crop it, give it a widescreen look, and still keep good detail. Somebody with an older 1.3M pixel camera will have to stitch several pictures to get the same view with a similar amoutn of detail.

IMO, if it looks like a pano, it's a pano, regardless of the fact that it was stitched or not. These pictures are not made to "cheat" the viewer into thinking they have been stitched. They just want them to look neat and wide. It works well for the sharpshooter.

David.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

glynne · Mar 9, 2002

David Pichevin said:
It doesn't really make a difference in terms of how you call it.
Usually a panorama is a photo that shows a panoramic view of
something, whether it's been stitched or not. I don't see the point
in talking about cheating or not cheating. Depends what you want to
do. When you gat a camera with 20M pixels and you can step back far
enough you won't really have to do any stitching. The landscape
that you will take in one shot with your 707 now and its 5M pixels,
you will be able to crop it, give it a widescreen look, and still
keep good detail. Somebody with an older 1.3M pixel camera will
have to stitch several pictures to get the same view with a similar
amoutn of detail.

David.

David, with all due respect, a "crop" is quite different from a "pano". Furthermore, the images in question, entered in the category of "pano" ARE, in fact, multiple images stitched together (as attested to by their authors).

David Pichevin · Mar 9, 2002

glynne said:
David, with all due respect, a "crop" is quite different from a
"pano". Furthermore, the images in question, entered in the
category of "pano" ARE, in fact, multiple images stitched together
(as attested to by their authors).

Nope, not at all. The term panorama existed before image stitching. It's just a mater of aspect ratio, looking very wide. In terms of rules, if you are referring to DigitalPhotoContest, you should go and read them again. Over there, a photo submitted to the panorama category can be stitched or can just have the aspect of a panorama without being stitched.

--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

TrekSF6 · Mar 9, 2002

Awesome catch on the bullet!! It was obviously added later in PS or some other editing software. I never would have noticed that.

Gil Biderman said:
But, and here is what I think I discovered: look at the ejected
bullet after supposedly a signal shot... This is NOT an empty
Shell! It still has the projectile (bullet) attached to it. Could
be placed there in a photo editing software.

TrekSF6 · Mar 9, 2002

now that I look at it closer, it looks as if it is an empty casing after all. However it looks like the trigger is not squeezed in the shot. Hehe, I am really trying to find something bogus in this picture aren't I ?

mortal said:
TrekSF6 said:

But, and here is what I think I discovered: look at the ejected
bullet after supposedly a signal shot... This is NOT an empty
Shell! It still has the projectile (bullet) attached to it. Could
be placed there in a photo editing software.

Click to expand...

glynne · Mar 9, 2002

David Pichevin said:
glynne said:

David, with all due respect, a "crop" is quite different from a
"pano". Furthermore, the images in question, entered in the
category of "pano" ARE, in fact, multiple images stitched together
(as attested to by their authors).

Click to expand...

Nope, not at all. The term panorama existed before image stitching.
It's just a mater of aspect ratio, looking very wide. In terms of
rules, if you are referring to DigitalPhotoContest, you should go
and read them again. Over there, a photo submitted to the panorama
category can be stitched or can just have the aspect of a panorama
without being stitched.

Hmm ... I can see how you may have misunderstood me. As far as the rules go, you are quite right - wide-angle panoramas are allowed. However, the point that I am trying to make is that, regardless of their category, the photos in question (the sharpshooter, the cyclists) ARE multiple images stitched together, and not, as has been suggested, just crops.

David Pichevin · Mar 9, 2002

glynne said:
Hmm ... I can see how you may have misunderstood me. As far as the
rules go, you are quite right - wide-angle panoramas are allowed.
However, the point that I am trying to make is that, regardless of
their category, the photos in question (the sharpshooter, the
cyclists) ARE multiple images stitched together, and not, as has
been suggested, just crops.

That photo was indeed stitched as its author explained in the thread on DPC.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

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