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I miss the Nikon feel, but the image quality of the 5D is superb, and the lens selection if you like fast wide angle is incredible, all the more amazing when you realize the 5D shines at ISO 1600.

The camera itself will not give you that rush of excitement when you pick it up, but that makes me think about taking photos more than being fetishistic about the gear itself.
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Phil Flash
SF, CA USA

I should probably take more photographs instead of hanging around here posting.

Stuff I own in my profile.
 
It's is pretty funny how you deny your defensive nature of Nikon, your posts indicate otherwise loud and clear. Then you appoint yourself as some sort of gatekeeper by demanding people post their gear and pics from that gear. No matter what I post you will claim they are some sort of fakes or I "doesn't prove anything". Who are you to tell people what they can or can't talk about. You continually label people technical arguments and provide nothing but bashing and name calling. You cannot accept that FF and Dx work well together and not everyone here that uses FF is full of BS. YOU are the one that outright dismissed FF and then deny it and try to discredit people.

Well here are some pics from my D200. I will not post any work I did for my clients nor should I have to do that for you. These are D200 shots, download the file and check the exif.
http://picasaweb.google.com/pismobeachdpreview/D200Shots

I will not jump through any more hoops for you. I will not act as self appointed forum cop. I will criticize and praise Canon and Nikon at will when they deserve it. I will not tell people to shut up because I unlike you am not afraid of discussion about formats and brands. You are looking really bad amongst forum members here and you don't even realize it. Your act is old and transparent, the people here realize it. It will not stop them from discussing technical aspects of cameras and options.
Kerry Pierce said:
PismoBeach said:
So you accuse me of not having Nikon gear and I post a pic of my
gear.
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I asked you to post photos that you'd taken with the gear, pismo. I
want to see the kind of work that you do. For some reason, the
biggest fanboys never post any of their work, never use their real
names, email, websites or anything. Why do you suppose that is?
Kerry Pierce said:
I am a multi platform and brand user.
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Maybe so, maybe not. A photo of some gear lying on someone's floor
is rather meaningless.
Kerry Pierce said:
You can't discredit me like you have others who think Nikon can do
better.
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I don't have to discredit you. To be discredited, you have to be
credited in the first place. :-)
Kerry Pierce said:
Dual system gets the job done for me, it's not for
everyone but neither is DX only.
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Never said it was. What I have said is that DX suits the vast
majority and certainly is much cheaper, by any measure.
Kerry Pierce said:
to choose them. If you are happy with DX, and many are, use it but
don't dismiss FF 355 digital just because of brand loyalty.
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This is where you continually go way off base. I have no brand
loyalty. Unlike you, I certainly don't constantly visit other
forums to spread the brand or DX gospel. I couldn't care less what
other forum users say about nikon or DX. It's the zealots that
have to spread the gospel and defend their brand, like the
crusaders of old.

You don't need brand loyalty to understand whether or not FF is a
need or want and when it is hyped. There are dozens of canon APS-C
and APS-H users for each FF canon user. Are they also brand
loyalists because they dismiss FF for their needs/wants? I don't
think so. :-)

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
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What's the big deal? Canon makes what you want, go buy it and move on.
Not sure what everyones arguing about.

I guess I could post: Is the D200 my my option? I want a sub $1500 body that does 5 FPS with a pro build and weather sealing... and the answer is yes, the D200 is my only option. Again big deal, I have one and am happy.

--
Edward
http://www.wildlightgallery.net
http://www.pbase.com/qwntm
 
Digital Imaging Technician said:
I'm a frustrated D200 owner looking for a fast (sub f/2.8,
preferably f/1.8), 28mm (35mm equivalent) prime (the size of zooms
is too big). Is the 5D with it's EF 28mm f/1.8 USM my only option
if I want to keep shooting digital? I've looked into the Nikkor
20mm f/2.8, but it's not fast and doesn't seem to perform very well
on the D200 (read the verdict here:
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/nikkor_20_28/index.htm ).

It's a shame no DSLR makers have updated their line of primes to
reflect the focal multiplier of their APS cameras. I don't have
anything against APS sized sensors per se, but fact remains, there
seems to be no lenses that suit me.

I'm thinking of a Sigma DP1, but it's a slow (f/4) and Sigma's high
ISO noise is quite terrible. The 6 second wait between RAW shots
with the GX100 makes that option quite unattractive too.

Any other camera makers have any lenses that would suit me?

Thanks in advance...
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You have no idea what Nikon is going to come out with, If you are happy waiting for theoretical lenses so be it. Some of us have a vision we want to accomplish now. Not when the Great Nikon comes out with a hope. They have had 5 years and not one DX prime aside from that fisheye.
Banana Chips™ said:
see, you're doing it again: "Fast wide primes are the key to a real
commitment." whaddahellz? Nikon discountinued 28/1.4...has yet to
create an AF 35/1.4...they have never created a 24/1.x...well,
mate, playing your argument there ain't no fast wide primes here in
FF land...does that mean Nikon has no commitment to FF either?

you compare this with Canon's "complete" offerings? Gee, where do
i start? Canon gave its followers the shaft when it changed its
lens mount design switching from MF to AF...now, they'r doing it
again with a new line of EF-S lenses that you can't even mount on
regular EF (FF) mounts...let's not forget that D60, D30 and 10D are
now the b@stard children of Canon digitals (you can't mount EF-S
lenses on them)...and oh snap! no fast primes on EF-S line either!
hhmmm...don't they have the 1.3x sensors, too? are they going to
create fast primes dedicated to that, too? you call that a
"complete" offering? pass on the Kool-Aid, brother.

with Nikon, the DX lenses can be mounted on FF bodies...now, of
course, I am not sure if Nikon will create the FF bodies (and i
couldn't care less because i probably couldn't afford one)...but
I'm 99% sure that DX lenses will be fully useable on them, given
Nikon's history. if DX lenses can be mounted on the "inevitable"
(using the term loosely here) FF digital, and with FF primes, i
don't understand your complaining...i'm sure a lot of people here
will agree that it's better than Canon's EF-S being unuseable in FF
bodies...if anything Canon is more pressured to create EF-S fast
primes...oh, not to mention 1.3x primes, too.

on a different note, i know this debate started with the lack of DX
fast wide primes, i know for a fact that the market for this is
shrinking because PJs (i work for a major news company) actually
prefer fast ZOOM lenses. i mean, seriously, when was the last time
you actually saw a Want-to-Buy or Want-to-Sell posting on a fast
wide prime? i am sure that Nikon knows its market, and if there is
enough demand, they will release fast DX wide primes. i'd rather
use what's currently being offered now (FF fast primes and DX
zooms..............which does the job, really), than to spend
thousands of dollars switching to (or adding) a whole different
system.
PismoBeach said:
I never said Nikon was dumping DX, I said it would not be the pro
format. Watch, when the FF nikon comes it will be the king of the
hill. Fast wide primes are the key to a real commitment because it
shows that they want people to have options beyond zooms. Primes
have their advantages and combined with zooms make for a really
nice system. To say that a system is "just fine" with zooms is
settling for the incomplete system that Nikon is capable of giving
when a competitor does. No need for FF of the wide fast primes by
Nikon show up right? SO as it stands, DX is not a complete lens
system compared to Canon's offerings. If Nikon wants to lose
customers that are obviously looking for options than so be it.
You will see many switcher between both systems but this is one
Nikon could easily fix. Why no DX primes, because that FF chip is
coming. If they fully supported you would not only see wide primes
but a 50mm 1.4 and 1.8 that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and isn't
made by Sigma. There would also be DX macros and telephotos. There
would be lighter weight DX 70-2-- 2.8 equivalent. It is very
apparent and anyone serious about photography knows that zooms are
not for everyone.
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http://www.subtleimages.com/blog/
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I would be one of them depending on the price.
Andre Bomhof said:
Kerry,

You are one of many people who keep calling FF a niche market. I
must disagree
with this qualification.
Many Nikon owners would like to see two new bodies:

1. An affordable 35FF (D300) camera
2. A pro 35FF (D3) camera

If they opt for the somewhat safer 1.1 crop, so be it. The interest
in these
cameras will be HUGE!

Regards,

André
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I don't think you should have to justify the gear that you own.

Your work should speak for itself. Show me your gear is a primary school yard mentality.
PismoBeach said:
PismoBeach said:
http://picasaweb.google.com/pismobeachdpreview/SomeGear/photo#5066583899098804018

The link provided shows some of the gear I have listed in my
profile. Sorry, the rest of the Nikon gear is at my office. This
is the gear I have on hand and recently used. What I have shown
matches up in my profile. Link on the right will let you download
the image straight from my Pentax point and shoot and you can look
at the exif, it was taken today.

What this exercise really shows is how entrenched in your self
worth with a brand you are. Instead of talking the merits of FF
and DX and how it affects photography, you are out to discredit
people by demanding their credentials. It is a sad attempt to
distract others from the fact that some Nikon users are open to
choice and not afraid of some other brand if it gives them that
choice.

Yes, I use 2 systems, I like DX, 1.3X and FF so your attempt at
smearing me as a FF only person doesn't work. Stop running away
with your ears, eyes and mouth covered. No format is perfect, no
brand is perfect and that is why I use as many option as I do.
Each one does a great job for what I want it to capture. I will
not let worthless brand loyalty keep me and my clients from being
happy.

I have used Nikon since the F3, and have owned the F4, F5, F100,
What are your Nikon credentials? Just because I question and
demand from Nikon and Canon doesn't make me disloyal, I never had
loyalty to either company.
Kerry Pierce said:
I'm not interested in your BS. I want to see your nikon d200 and
d70 photos. Surely you have tons of them around. You wouldn't
have lied about that would you?

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
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lanef, I would not have bothered to post but I am constantly under scrutiny by kerry who does not believe I have Nikon gear. he is so defensive about DX that he goes after credibility instead of debating the issue. He asked to see my images and not only did I supply my d200 pics, I supplied a pic of my gear. If anyone should be called out it is him for his absurd reactions and insistence that only certain people can criticize Nikon if at all. I would not have posted about it otherwise. Call him out if you are going to call me out.
lanef said:
PismoBeach said:
PismoBeach said:
http://picasaweb.google.com/pismobeachdpreview/SomeGear/photo#5066583899098804018

The link provided shows some of the gear I have listed in my
profile. Sorry, the rest of the Nikon gear is at my office. This
is the gear I have on hand and recently used. What I have shown
matches up in my profile. Link on the right will let you download
the image straight from my Pentax point and shoot and you can look
at the exif, it was taken today.

What this exercise really shows is how entrenched in your self
worth with a brand you are. Instead of talking the merits of FF
and DX and how it affects photography, you are out to discredit
people by demanding their credentials. It is a sad attempt to
distract others from the fact that some Nikon users are open to
choice and not afraid of some other brand if it gives them that
choice.

Yes, I use 2 systems, I like DX, 1.3X and FF so your attempt at
smearing me as a FF only person doesn't work. Stop running away
with your ears, eyes and mouth covered. No format is perfect, no
brand is perfect and that is why I use as many option as I do.
Each one does a great job for what I want it to capture. I will
not let worthless brand loyalty keep me and my clients from being
happy.

I have used Nikon since the F3, and have owned the F4, F5, F100,
What are your Nikon credentials? Just because I question and
demand from Nikon and Canon doesn't make me disloyal, I never had
loyalty to either company.
Kerry Pierce said:
I'm not interested in your BS. I want to see your nikon d200 and
d70 photos. Surely you have tons of them around. You wouldn't
have lied about that would you?

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
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here's what i wrote:
"i'd rather use what's currently being offered now than to spend
thousands of dollars switching to (or adding) a whole different
system. "

that means i can work with Nikon's current line-up. i am not limited by the lack of fast wide primes.

by the way, when you say "vision", are you talking about "collecting cameras?" if that's what you meant, then i concede.
PismoBeach said:
You have no idea what Nikon is going to come out with, If you are
happy waiting for theoretical lenses so be it. Some of us have a
vision we want to accomplish now. Not when the Great Nikon comes
out with a hope. They have had 5 years and not one DX prime aside
from that fisheye.
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--
http://www.subtleimages.com/blog/
 
PismoBeach said:
It's is pretty funny how you deny your defensive nature of Nikon,
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It's pretty funny how you constantly bleat about how great canon is, in the nikon forum, but won't post photos, use your real name, have a website, etc and then have the audacity to say that other people are defensive. :-)
PismoBeach said:
continually label people technical arguments
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Why should there be technical arguments about canon gear here? For as long as I can remember, the canon fanboys have invaded other forums to preach about canon superiority for noise. The 5d didn't change that, it only added another dimension. The vast majority of those are nameless, faceless, and photoless, just like you. Viral marketing at its best.
PismoBeach said:
BS. YOU are the one that outright dismissed FF and then deny it
and try to discredit people.
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Nonsense. We've already covered this ground and my history shows differently. So, why do you lie about it now?
PismoBeach said:
Well here are some pics from my D200.
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Interesting.
PismoBeach said:
I will not post any work I
did for my clients nor should I have to do that for you.
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Of course. No pros ever have websites or promote themselves with their photos, do they? That would be silly, to have a web presence.... It's also silly to even consider that normal users, pro and amateur alike, post photos from time to time, on all of the forums here, right? Except for the fanboy missionaries that is.
PismoBeach said:
and brands. You are looking really bad amongst forum members here
and you don't even realize it. Your act is old and transparent,
the people here realize it. It will not stop them from discussing
technical aspects of cameras and options.
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Now you are sounding just like filmruled. Is that part of the script that you guys read from?

It's unsurprising that Garland lends a little support, loves your photos. They look like something he'd shoot.... :) He changed significantly, after he got banned. His posts now are usually without the hype, thus less tiresome. You could learn something from him.

Your user profile magically appeared a few days after the 5d was announced, although it's quite clear that you weren't new to the site. So, I suppose you're like all the others. You got banned for trolling, so you toned down your preaching a little and carried on. That's why you have no name, no photos, no website. It's wonderful to be anonymous and unaccountable, right? Yet you have the audacity to say that I'm defensive.... :-)

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
 
I can't remember which fine art photographer it was who said it, but the quote is: "The print isn't done until you've burned in the corners." If you look at a lot of the classic images you'll see that the printers slightly burn in the edges of the image, about a stop to a stop and a half, to nudge your eye away from there.

I think that's a big reason why so many manufacturers continue to make lenses that drive the "everything the same everywhere in the frame" people insane. While they probably could re-engineer the lens to get rid of all the vignetting, or to be very sharp both center and corners, at the end of the day those things are a lot less important photographically than wide apertures and angles of view.

Is my 35mm f1.4 Nikkor soft in the corners at f1.4? Yup. Can any other lens get the image in light that requires f1.4, in a space small enough to require a 35mm focal length? Nope. Do I ever put a subject in that last 10% of the image around the edge where it gets soft? Nope.

Besides, the cost would pretty much insure that no one would buy it. For all the people who want to rave about more resolution and more sharpness, consider that all the highest resolution regular photography films stopped being made years ago, because beyond a certain point, the extra resolution and sharpness wasn't useful other than to Zeiss engineers who wanted to brag about lens capabilities. Nobody cared enough to put up with ISO 25.
rrcphoto said:
jcv said:
The vignetting is there as clear as day in your photos.
Nice shots, by the way.
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jcv
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if you actually read what he wrote .. he said in response "
horrible" "terrible" vignetting, which usually means unusable
images. vignetting is an issue at WA even with 1.5 DX or 1.6 crop
and also FF sensors. ie: the 28 1.4 Nikkor D vignettes .8 stops
on a DX sensor, 28 2.8 1.1 stops, 35 f2 .8 stops, etc,etc..

having philosophical issues with light falloff seems to be a
digital phenomena, since no one cared really with slide or film.

which I have to agree, the one picture shows vignetting - is it
distracting? no, in my own personal taste I think it adds to the
picture and doesn't detract. I know some photographers that ADD
vignetting versus removing it, which is another story...
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...about the PICTURES he posted. Not a single mention of the gear used to make them–which honestly doesn't matter because good photos are good photos.

Funny, Kerry, how even that–which was neither brand-specific nor party to either side in your and Pismo's ongoing banter–is perceived by you as such an affront that you'd drag it into your tirade.

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Kabe Luna

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kabeluna/
 
Read through my posts and you will see I praise Nikon and I praise my D200. Once again you selectively read my posts and ignore that I like my Nikon and Canon tools and together they get the job done. I posted photos of my gear and D200 images. I will not jump through any more hops for you. Why don;t I post my real name and my site? Because of online stalkers like you who like to harass people just because they offer a different point of view. It has happened before and it is just because I don't pray to the same camera god as you do. My criticisms of Canon and Nikon are fair and even when they are doled out.

I have used Nikon since the F3. What did you start? What do you really know about Nikon and their history of system flexibility? You have dodged this question several times and play forum cop and try to stifle discussion. I have news for you, people will talk about FF no matter how many times you try to cover your ears and eyes. If nikon had FF you would be singing it's praises.

Once again my images

http://picasaweb.google.com/pismobeachdpreview/SomeGear/photo#5066583899098804018

Your act is VERY transparent to many here as a DX only advocate. You try and try to discredit me but you can't because I am not a Canon or Nikon guy, I am not a FF or a DX guy, I use all the tools that are right for me. You ask me to posts so I post my gear and my images, then you continue the smear campaign. Your strategy is not to talk about FF and DX technical advantages. You start questioning my time I joined, why I don't disclose my name and on and on. It is extremely clear by your actions how defensive you are about brand because you accuse me of talking up Canon and ignore the times I have talked up my D200 and my lenses such as my 60mm micro.

I am glad you keep posting because it makes you look really bad to the rest of the people on this forum that are open to talking about good tools despite the brand.
Kerry Pierce said:
PismoBeach said:
It's is pretty funny how you deny your defensive nature of Nikon,
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It's pretty funny how you constantly bleat about how great canon
is, in the nikon forum, but won't post photos, use your real name,
have a website, etc and then have the audacity to say that other
people are defensive. :-)
Kerry Pierce said:
continually label people technical arguments
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Why should there be technical arguments about canon gear here? For
as long as I can remember, the canon fanboys have invaded other
forums to preach about canon superiority for noise. The 5d didn't
change that, it only added another dimension. The vast majority of
those are nameless, faceless, and photoless, just like you. Viral
marketing at its best.
Kerry Pierce said:
BS. YOU are the one that outright dismissed FF and then deny it
and try to discredit people.
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Nonsense. We've already covered this ground and my history shows
differently. So, why do you lie about it now?
Kerry Pierce said:
Well here are some pics from my D200.
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Interesting.
Kerry Pierce said:
I will not post any work I
did for my clients nor should I have to do that for you.
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Of course. No pros ever have websites or promote themselves with
their photos, do they? That would be silly, to have a web
presence.... It's also silly to even consider that normal users,
pro and amateur alike, post photos from time to time, on all of the
forums here, right? Except for the fanboy missionaries that is.
Kerry Pierce said:
and brands. You are looking really bad amongst forum members here
and you don't even realize it. Your act is old and transparent,
the people here realize it. It will not stop them from discussing
technical aspects of cameras and options.
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Now you are sounding just like filmruled. Is that part of the
script that you guys read from?

It's unsurprising that Garland lends a little support, loves your
photos. They look like something he'd shoot.... :) He changed
significantly, after he got banned. His posts now are usually
without the hype, thus less tiresome. You could learn something
from him.

Your user profile magically appeared a few days after the 5d was
announced, although it's quite clear that you weren't new to the
site. So, I suppose you're like all the others. You got banned
for trolling, so you toned down your preaching a little and carried
on. That's why you have no name, no photos, no website. It's
wonderful to be anonymous and unaccountable, right? Yet you have
the audacity to say that I'm defensive.... :-)

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
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PismoBeach said:
Why don;t I post my real name and my site?
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There could be any number of reasons why you don't want anyone to know who you are. I can't think of any that would apply to a normal, honest adult though.

Most likely you don't want anyone to know who you are because you aren't who and what you pretend to be. Certainly none of those reasons have anything to do with stalkers. That's just pure BS. Calling me a stalker is one of the more humorous of your posts. :-)

Like all of the other missionary types, you do everything possible to shift attention from you and your canon marketing spiel, to anything else. Diversion, deceit and obfuscation are the tools of your trade.
PismoBeach said:
You have dodged this question several times and play forum cop
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heh, I certainly don't worry about dodging anything you might have to say. :-) Unlike you, my history is completely open, for all to see. I hide nothing and lie about nothing, again so very unlike you. You don't pass the legitimacy test, dude. Not even close.

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
 
I don't doubt that you liked the photos you mentioned, Garland. NBD. While you were feeling insulted, I guess that you missed the compliment that I gave you. But, that's okay. It still stands.

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
 
I am no longer jumping through any hoops for you. You are nothing more than a self appointed forum and Nikon cop. I need not reveal anything to you about my personal life, this is a gear forum and I talk about gear. I use both systems and both are great. I am loyal to myself and I will rip on Canon and Nikon as I please. I need not have your approval. No matter what I say or post you will continue to try to cast doubt on me to protect your brand. It's sad and apparent and others here can see it. I have used a Nikon since the F3, still a question you have dodged. If anyone is hiding anything it is you. You will not say how long you have used Nikon because I have probably used it longer than you. Also to stoop down to your level, I had to acknowledge what gear I have and it is plenty spent on Nikon and Canon for me to say what i feel about both systems. The D200 is a great tool and the best value in the sub $2k market right now. I await yet another reply where you dodge the question and try to cat more doubt on me. Grow up.

http://picasaweb.google.com/pismobeachdpreview/D200Shots
Kerry Pierce said:
PismoBeach said:
Why don;t I post my real name and my site?
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There could be any number of reasons why you don't want anyone to
know who you are. I can't think of any that would apply to a
normal, honest adult though.

Most likely you don't want anyone to know who you are because you
aren't who and what you pretend to be. Certainly none of those
reasons have anything to do with stalkers. That's just pure BS.
Calling me a stalker is one of the more humorous of your posts. :-)

Like all of the other missionary types, you do everything possible
to shift attention from you and your canon marketing spiel, to
anything else. Diversion, deceit and obfuscation are the tools of
your trade.
Kerry Pierce said:
You have dodged this question several times and play forum cop
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heh, I certainly don't worry about dodging anything you might have
to say. :-) Unlike you, my history is completely open, for all to
see. I hide nothing and lie about nothing, again so very unlike
you. You don't pass the legitimacy test, dude. Not even close.

--
my gallery of so-so photos
http://www.pbase.com/kerrypierce/root
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How is my real name relevant to photography and gear discussion? I have proven I have the gear and the knowledge to talk about gear in a gear forum. If I chose not to disclose my personal life it should not be an issue of my technical and photography experience. I have shown knowledge of both systems and praised both systems. If Canon built everything i needed would I still have Nikon? If Nikon had what I needed would I still use Canon? Simply put, no, neither system alone is enough for what I want to do. Yet Kerry insist that people cannot like and use tools from both systems. It is beyond the comprehension of brand defenders. Kerry's attempt to make this an issue is a distraction from the discussion about Nikon, Canon, 5D etc. and gear that help with photography.
Tom Christiansen said:
PismoBeach said:
You start questioning my time I joined, why I don't disclose
my name and on and on.
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Hm, now that you mention it, just what is your name, and so
on and so on?

--tom
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