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Metal_Troll said:
I paid €200 for the F31fd. I think this price in unbeatable.
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That price is unbeatable and you did very well. It's €299 here in Ireland and yes I could get two of them for a G7. But there is a lot of things that the two F31's won't do and one in particular is to use my external flash that I have with my DSLR and the second is to be tied to a x3 zoom range. Raw ain't a deal breaker for me as the jpegs are pretty good and as I used to 10mp with my DSLR anyway so that not a hassle. Yes, we have both different wants and needs and both are fine cameras.

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packy said:
Metal_Troll said:
I paid €200 for the F31fd. I think this price in unbeatable.
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That price is unbeatable and you did very well. It's €299 here in
Ireland and yes I could get two of them for a G7.
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Wow, I never thought that there was a country where camera gear is even more expensive than here in Austria. You have my sympathy!

BTW, I've wanted to visit Ireland for years, I hope it will finally come true soon!
packy said:
Yes, we have both different wants and needs
and both are fine cameras.
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So, no Fuji / Canon flame war? ;)

I have to admit that I never gave the G7 a serious consideration because of the RAW thing and because it costs more than I'm willing to pay for a compact. But, reading the Canon forums, I never see someone who has regretted the purchase. Nearly everyone seems to be in love with their G7s! I think this fact speaks for itself.

So, I wish you all the best with the tools of your choice, and keep posting great photos. :)

Kind Regards,
Andreas
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They are both good cameras in their own right. I just don't think it's a fair comparison. They are in 2 totally different price brackets and this makes it impossible to compare them like for like. In an ideal world i'd have both of them.
 
PC Wheeler said:
I bought a G7 and returned it. I prefered my F20; and my F31 is
even better.
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Was there any noticeable size difference (I live in an area where there where never any F20s).

And, besides the obvious differences (batt life, FD, longer slow shutter, etc), what did you like more about the F31?
 
I really can't believe that we're seriously comparing these two cameras! I wasn't even thinking about it, but a fair comparison would be the 10 MP Canon Elph vs the F31! It's really funny how bad Canon's Elph image quality has come, and that the closest thing they have to a prosumer is what's being compared to this $250 pocketable Fuji! Who'd a thought when the G3 was released that it's future successor would be being beat by a small Fuji? Not me! They're still beating Fuji in sales, though, so I guess they get the last laugh!
 
Metal_Troll said:
Wow, I never thought that there was a country where camera gear is
even more expensive than here in Austria. You have my sympathy!
BTW, I've wanted to visit Ireland for years, I hope it will finally
come true soon!
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Bring plenty of money with you, Andreas!
Metal_Troll said:
So, no Fuji / Canon flame war? ;)
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Nope, I now own both (f30 & G7) so that would be pointless :-)

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for the most part i prefer my G3 over my F30. i do like being able to put the fuji in my pocket and use it when i know i'll be inside most of the time.
 
morey000 said:
Hardly a fair comparison.
Granted- IS is a terrific feature. And- if you have your elbows
supported- you can use extremely low shutter speeds.

But in most real world situations, IS buys you 2-3 stops for
non-moving subjects, whereas the F31fd buys you 2-3 stops in
improved ISO. So- you get the moving subjects as well.

I've found ISO1600 is just too grainy for my tastes- especially
when looking at the images on a 72dpi monitor.
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I think a camera is more than just ISO.
G7 is feature packed.

F31 cannot even take a good night scene to your liking, or a nice flash portrait with a bright night scene, or flowing water effect etc and much more.

In short, the M mode is vary versaile and impotant tool. F31 is nothing more than just the simplest of P&S. They are totally 2 diff class of cameras.

But to be honest, the F31's IQ really put Canon and Nikon prosumer DC to shame. It's not that Fuji do not have an equivalent, they have the E900, but strangely, they used an inferior CCD on a superior body and now they even discontinued it. Unfathomable Fuji.
 
I've been noticing that f5 nonsense at the long end as well. And I reckon Fuji haven't got away with it: the F30 might have been a revolution but for that. I've also noticed that while the s5200/s5600 had f3.5 at full tele the s6000 dropped it. A pity; I would have bought it. But for the price (the F30 is a bargain right now) the G7 is superiour for the candid shooter.

But what really gets me is that f5 is a bizarre lense for a low-lighter. I suspect their future schemes didn;t mean for the F30 to be adopted by enthusiatic amateurs or pros in need of a p&s, and future incarnations may come to reflect that.
 
garyydpreview said:
F31 cannot even take a good night scene to your liking, or a nice
flash portrait with a bright night scene, or flowing water effect
etc and much more.
In short, the M mode is vary versaile and impotant tool. F31 is
nothing more than just the simplest of P&S. They are totally 2 diff
class of cameras.
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I just got my F31 two days ago, choosing it over the G7. I haven't read the owner's manual yet, and have only played with the camera for a few hours, but I find the camera very intuitive to use. I quickly figured out how to use the various modes to get the exposure that I want.

For example, I use night mode to get longer exposures up to 1 second for things like creek flow (or aperture priority for up to about 1/4 second). It locked on auto ISO for night mode, but the long exposure keeps the ISO relatively low. Use the long exposure night mode for longer than 1 second exposures and you get ISO control too, but seem to lose the metering... but that's no problem, just do test shot or two.

So far, I like going between the auto, program (M), aperture priority (A), and night or long exposure night modes. Those modes can all be left at a different ISO setting and flash setting where applicable. I can have a mode dialed in for each of several different scene types that I will encounter in an particular outing.

 
bzzz said:
garyydpreview said:
F31 cannot even take a good night scene to your liking, or a nice
flash portrait with a bright night scene, or flowing water effect
etc and much more.
In short, the M mode is vary versaile and impotant tool. F31 is
nothing more than just the simplest of P&S. They are totally 2 diff
class of cameras.
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I just got my F31 two days ago, choosing it over the G7. I haven't
read the owner's manual yet, and have only played with the camera
for a few hours, but I find the camera very intuitive to use. I
quickly figured out how to use the various modes to get the
exposure that I want.

For example, I use night mode to get longer exposures up to 1
second for things like creek flow (or aperture priority for up to
about 1/4 second). It locked on auto ISO for night mode, but the
long exposure keeps the ISO relatively low. Use the long exposure
night mode for longer than 1 second exposures and you get ISO
control too, but seem to lose the metering... but that's no
problem, just do test shot or two.

So far, I like going between the auto, program (M), aperture
priority (A), and night or long exposure night modes. Those modes
can all be left at a different ISO setting and flash setting where
applicable. I can have a mode dialed in for each of several
different scene types that I will encounter in an particular outing.
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I find using Fuji F series for night scene is the most daunting task i have ever encountered. A and Tv is out becos they are really P mode.

Night mode starts from 1 sec. You have a problem when you want exposure between 1/4 and 1 sec.

You have to play around with ISO, SCENE MODES, FLASH if I want portrait, and EV. When a simple M mode does it all.
 
garyydpreview said:
I find using Fuji F series for night scene is the most daunting
task i have ever encountered. A and Tv is out becos they are really
P mode.
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Aperture and shutter priority modes are not "reallly" program mode. They work as aperture and priority modes work on any other camera with those modes. Exposures ranging between 1/1000 and 3 seconds may be selected in S mode including exposures between 1/4 and 1 second (specifically: 1/3, 1/2.5, 1/2, 1/1.6, and 1/1.3 second are within that range).
garyydpreview said:
Night mode starts from 1 sec. You have a problem when you want
exposure between 1/4 and 1 sec.
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Not true. Long exposure night mode has a shutter speed range of 1 second to 15 seconds - probably what you noticed. But regular night mode can have shutter speeds between 1/1000 to 3 seconds, including the range between 1/4 and 1 second. I just checked my camera.
garyydpreview said:
You have to play around with ISO, SCENE MODES, FLASH if I want
portrait, and EV. When a simple M mode does it all.
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Can you rewrite that sentence? It doesn't make sense as written and I can't tell what you are trying to say. Are you talking about me or you? I don't have to "play around" with the settings if you mean to imply fumble around. I have an idea of what exposure settings (ISO, shutter speed, aperture) and flash settings I want and I know how to get the settings from the camera. Depending on what I am photographing, I might get those settings with AUTO, or I might need to set those parameters myself using the other modes... but it's no big deal. I started with photography shooting film using full manual, so the thinking process is automatic to me, and the F31 doesn't hinder me from getting those exposures... even though I've only had the camera since Wednesday and haven't read the manual. Like I said above, the modes seem pretty intuitive to me. Maybe I was helped by reading Simon's review carefully.

Are you saying that you are happy with the M mode? Or you are happy with the M mode, BUT... are unhappy with the shutter speed range available in that mode? I can't parse what you mean out of your statements.
 
I can't believe it either, the cameras are different prices and aimed at different markets. You might as well compare the G7 with a DSLR and cane the G7 because of lack of features, IQ, etc.

Once you start taking an extenal flash with you you lose the whole point of the thing anyway, which is that it can be in your pocket or handbag most of the time and capture that moment which will live with you.

Like many on this forum I use the F31fd as a carry round supplement for my DSLR, and am very happy with it. I have not spent as much time as many on investigating all the work around settings for difficult situations so probaly do not get as much out of it as I could, but am very happy with the shots I have. If I have a complaint it is that the full capability is locked away behind scene modes, etc. instead of giving us a proper manual capability with which we could set our own.

I absolutely love the IQ for the sort of indoor and outdoor casual shots I take, Fuji colours are good for me, I sometimes give a PP tweek or two to exposure (I shoot at +0 most of the time), but really for a snapshot most out of the camera shots are fine.

I have one 2 gig card which stays inside the camera, and one battery, and can forget them for a few days walk around which is terrific. I would have preferred an SD card to the XD, but it's not a big issue.

F31fd's are about Sterling 125 here in HK if you buy a grey market one or 145 for a legit one. I just paid 335 for a 16-80 lens for my KM DSLR which puts the great value of the F31 into perspective

Good shooting

Tom
 
The problem with this comparison is that the G7 is a "pro" compact with tons of great controls and features, while the f31fd is an incredibly boring little camera that happens to have the overall best image quality on the non-DSLR market.

What we need is a G7 style camera from Fuji using the Super CCD (but not too stuffed with megapixels). Such a camera could become a cult classic overnight.
 
pauljustpaul said:
The problem with this comparison is that the G7 is a "pro" compact
with tons of great controls and features, while the f31fd is an
incredibly boring little camera that happens to have the overall
best image quality on the non-DSLR market.
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I wouldn't say it's boring, but it certainly doesn't match the G7 in features (no IS, no 6x zoom, no hot shoe, no RAW--oops, the G7 doesn't have it, either!).

On the matter of image quality, I looked up the last few reviews by Simon Joinson, and these are the ratings:

F31fd: 9.0
G7: 8.0
Nikon P5000: 7.5
Casio EX V7: 6.5
Panasonic TZ3: 7.5
Panasonic DMC-L1: 8.0
Olympus SP-550: 7.0
Canon SD900: 8.5

So, you're right: according to these ratings, the F31fd does have the best overall image quality among non-SLR digicams, in some cases by a considerable margin.

Bob
 
for me it is very easy to choose, if you like very warm and yellow tones go for G7, if you like natural color which is black is black and white is white go for F31fd.
 
tomhongkong said:
I can't believe it either, the cameras are different prices and
aimed at different markets. You might as well compare the G7 with
a DSLR and cane the G7 because of lack of features, IQ, etc.

Once you start taking an extenal flash with you you lose the whole
point of the thing anyway, which is that it can be in your pocket
or handbag most of the time and capture that moment which will live
with you.
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You don't need to carry an external flash to "capture the moment" with a G7. And I have being carrying my G7 on my waistbelt 24/7 since I bought it so putting it into your pocket isn't a must for most either.

And as for capturing the moment...try posting what you mean and let's compare because BOTH cameras have areas that they can't go to. but most of the time I have no problem in "capturing the moment" even under the worse of conditions:



.....G7 captured this at 210mm....ooops.. your F31 won't go there just like my F30 can't do ISO1600!



.............or here at 136mm







And no problem with this restaurant shot at 1/30s at x 3 zoom handheld without flash either......



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