Are Sony outlaws?

Mookey · Mar 6, 2002

Having read Phil's summery on what should be noted regarding a DC's effective pixel vs. total pixel etc. :
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0203/02030602foveonx3notation.asp

How come my F505V has a large bold print on it's side saying "3.3 MEGA PIXELS" and the manual (document 3-061-981-13(1) ) doesn't say anything other. Shouldn't they report it?

I think that newer models of this DC do state on the camera's body that there are 2.6 effective pixels. But shouldn't they have to pay for misleading us customers?--
-{ M00KEY }-

Mookey · Mar 6, 2002

-- -{ M00KEY }-

Shay Stephens · Mar 7, 2002

No because it was the accepted way for manufacturers to list such a number. Just like CRT monitors where they said it was a 17 inch monitor where the effective was actually 15.5 or some such smaller number. They agreed to change it for LCD monitors so that LCD monitors promote the effective or real measurement. Fortunately the camera industry has decided to begin displaying the real numbers too, so in the end it's a good thing for all concerned.
--Shay - My Sony F707 Gallery: http://shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp

Mookey · Mar 7, 2002

Reffering to defence exhibit No. 1:

Shay said:
Just like CRT monitors where they said it was a 17 inch
monitor where the effective was actually 15.5 or some such smaller
number.

Sony specificaly says it's 17" monitors are 16" viewable:
http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/displays/hmd_a240.shtml

While stating there's a 5.2 Mega pixel sensor with 5.0 effective, on the F707 while we know (according to Phil's specs) that there are 4.92Mpx effective:
http://www.sonystyle.com/digitalimaging/P_Feature_F707.shtml

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?cameras=sony_dscf707&method=sidebyside
PS

I couldn't find anywhere in Sony's sites around the world the specs for the F505V (maybe they are ashamed of this model). Maybe this could have been a better proof for my case.-- -{ M00KEY }-

Ulysses · Mar 7, 2002

Mookey -

There is no deception at hand here by Sony, nor are they ashamed of one of their best cameras. It's simply discontinued.

The F505V makes use of the 3.14 megapixel chip. But its masking away a section of the chip's pixels is a consequence of older body design, which was used for the original F505. The original box (and other locations, if memory serves correctly) does state the actual number of megapixels used, while the silk screening of '3 megapixels' was already placed on the camera bodies.

Sony is actually one of the first manufacturers to adopt up the standard for describing a camera's megapixels on the body of the device. Read more at:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0108/01080104jciamegapixel.asp

This is at least a better attempt at standardization, which is perhaps more important than the actual definition used.

There really is no conspiracy here.

Mookey said:
I couldn't find anywhere in Sony's sites around the world the specs
for the F505V (maybe they are ashamed of this model). Maybe this
could have been a better proof for my case.

-- Ulysses

Don Wetzel · Mar 7, 2002

The agreement to use effective pixels in advertising didn't go into effect until Jan 2002. Therefore cameras put in the market before that time used the common number of total pixels on the ccd. Sony followed common practice in the past and agreed to practice currently. It was Fuji that finally triggered the move to effective pixel numbers.

DW

Mookey said:
Having read Phil's summery on what should be noted regarding a DC's
effective pixel vs. total pixel etc. :
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0203/02030602foveonx3notation.asp

How come my F505V has a large bold print on it's side saying "3.3
MEGA PIXELS" and the manual (document 3-061-981-13(1) ) doesn't say
anything other. Shouldn't they report it?
I think that newer models of this DC do state on the camera's body
that there are 2.6 effective pixels. But shouldn't they have to pay
for misleading us customers?
--

-{ M00KEY }-

Ulysses · Mar 7, 2002

The F707 is the first Sony camera to follow the agreement even before it was officially followed by most others in 2002.

Don Wetzel said:
The agreement to use effective pixels in advertising didn't go into
effect until Jan 2002. Therefore cameras put in the market before
that time used the common number of total pixels on the ccd. Sony
followed common practice in the past and agreed to practice
currently. It was Fuji that finally triggered the move to effective
pixel numbers.-- Ulysses

Homer40784 · Mar 7, 2002

Before anyone calls Uly on the obvious error, Sony did NOT silkscreen Three Point THREE (3.3) Megapixels) on the outside of a camera that had a CCD of Three Point ONE MP in it.

The CCD was the 252AQ and had Three Point THREE four (3.34) available megapixels.

Sony would never be as blatant as Mookey suggests..

They did follow the convention, of fleecing the consumer by overestimating the number of pixels used, that the whole industry followed.

They are neither Saint (In spite of what you hear a lot of here on STF) nor Sinner (In spite of what Sony Detractors say). They are just your average mega conglomerate dedicated to separating you from your money.

Who knows Mookey, you may waork for a large company that has the level of "ethics" that Sony has. Many people do. LOL!

Homer

Ulysses said:
There is no deception at hand here by Sony, nor are they ashamed of
one of their best cameras. It's simply discontinued.

The F505V makes use of the 3.14 megapixel chip. But its masking
away a section of the chip's pixels is a consequence of older body
design, which was used for the original F505. The original box (and
other locations, if memory serves correctly) does state the actual
number of megapixels used, while the silk screening of '3
megapixels' was already placed on the camera bodies.

Sony is actually one of the first manufacturers to adopt up the
standard for describing a camera's megapixels on the body of the
device. Read more at:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0108/01080104jciamegapixel.asp

This is at least a better attempt at standardization, which is
perhaps more important than the actual definition used.

There really is no conspiracy here.

Mookey said:

I couldn't find anywhere in Sony's sites around the world the specs
for the F505V (maybe they are ashamed of this model). Maybe this
could have been a better proof for my case.

Click to expand...

--

Ulysses

alberto84035 · Mar 10, 2002

Mookey said:
Having read Phil's summery on what should be noted regarding a DC's
effective pixel vs. total pixel etc. :
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0203/02030602foveonx3notation.asp

How come my F505V has a large bold print on it's side saying "3.3
MEGA PIXELS" and the manual (document 3-061-981-13(1) ) doesn't say
anything other. Shouldn't they report it?
I think that newer models of this DC do state on the camera's body
that there are 2.6 effective pixels. But shouldn't they have to pay
for misleading us customers?
--

-{ M00KEY }-

I dont't think they are any more of an outlaw than any of the other digital camera mfg's.

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