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Peter Gregg
Senior Member
There's no one like Monte. Those of you guys here that want to learn good lighting and posing - look no further.
Monte's liking the D60 camera is a good endorsement. Lots of folks take it very very seriously. I am one of them.
Those that want to pursue the lessons, they are worth their weight in gold. They are at the main Zuga site and they are free. There is 3 sections to learn, Joe's lessons, Monte's lessons, and then any others you might want to examine deeper.
You will be shooting like a pro, no questions asked.
Pete
http://www.zuga.net
Monte's liking the D60 camera is a good endorsement. Lots of folks take it very very seriously. I am one of them.
Those that want to pursue the lessons, they are worth their weight in gold. They are at the main Zuga site and they are free. There is 3 sections to learn, Joe's lessons, Monte's lessons, and then any others you might want to examine deeper.
You will be shooting like a pro, no questions asked.
Pete
http://www.zuga.net
david hickey
Senior Member
and I noticed he is using a 28-135 IS for many of these portraits.I'd much rather see pictures like this than looking at test charts and disecting small patches of blue sky!
Sounds like the D60 is a winner. I can't wait for my dealer to call and inform me that he has mine in his hot little hands.
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Jack A. Zucker
Guest
I agree 100%
I wish Phil would do some "real" photography in addition to his tests which are extremely dull and not very real-world oriented. I want to see how a camera performs with flesh-tones and shadow/highlight details instead of 12 O'Clock snapshots which seem to predominate his examples...
Jaz-- http://www.jackzucker.com
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Jack A. Zucker
Guest
He owns a D30 and D60. I think he's getting rid of the D30...-- http://www.jackzucker.com
John L.41003
Leading Member
If you follow that thread at Zuga you will see I ask the same question. He answers it a few posts after that.
John L.
John L.
Michael Martin
Senior Member
Much to contrived for my taste
flanker
Well-known member
Can I get his autographed D30?
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Stefan Klocke
Guest
Could you please elaborate. What are 12 O'clock snaps?
I would like to see overexposure examples plus hue shift examples when entering highligh areas/burn outs. The D30 does not handle this that gracefully, getting quite magenta on the last bytes.
I thought the zuga.net D60 examples looked terrible (Not with respect to lighting, composition etc). The examples have rather unpleasant color (to my eye on a calibrated Mac) and it seems have hue shifts. Of course it is quite possible that this is all related to the resize for web and no issue in the real images.
Without Phils examples on this site I would be quite worried.
Stefan
I would like to see overexposure examples plus hue shift examples when entering highligh areas/burn outs. The D30 does not handle this that gracefully, getting quite magenta on the last bytes.
I thought the zuga.net D60 examples looked terrible (Not with respect to lighting, composition etc). The examples have rather unpleasant color (to my eye on a calibrated Mac) and it seems have hue shifts. Of course it is quite possible that this is all related to the resize for web and no issue in the real images.
Without Phils examples on this site I would be quite worried.
Stefan
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Jack A. Zucker
Guest
Those are the typical photos taken by Phil or Steve for their test shots done at high-noon!
Monte uses a Mac and I don't know what he does but I agree the images are overly warm, however I wouldn't say they are terrible, particularly the flesh-tones of the woman which look wonderful. Perhaps not scientifically correct but beatiful, nonetheless.
We'll have to agree to disagree because I find Phil's images to be clinical which perhaps serve some aspects of testing but do not tell me much about contrast range, flesh-tones, etc...
Jaz
-- http://www.jackzucker.com
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Jack A. Zucker
Guest
They're studio shots. What should they have looked like? Deer in the headlight snapshots with red-eye flash?
Do you have some better examples? I'd seriously like to see them.
Jaz-- http://www.jackzucker.com
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Jack A. Zucker
Guest
I went to your site and looked at your work. I don't see how you can call Monte's work contrived? Certainly no more contrived than the guy in the cowboy hat with red backlighting on your site?
Jaz-- http://www.jackzucker.com
Jaz-- http://www.jackzucker.com
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stripes
Guest
Have you also looked at his gallery images, or only the ones in the review? (I think he makes the gallery seperate because they are not intended to be the same images with each camera, just "stuff", frequently including people)
Anthony
Senior Member
Excellent site!
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Michael Martin
Senior Member
Jack,
I'm sorry to have insulted your uncle's work. I simply don't like his style. That's all. There are thousands of other professional photographers who I like better. Herb Ritts, Mathew Rolston, Sante D'Orazio, Dean Collins, and even another Zuga photographer - Gary Bernstein. I never said that my work was better than his. As for the COWBOY with the red lighting, the COWBOY asked for that. Have you ever heard the saying: THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT? When you are famous like your Uncle you have understand that people have a right to not like his work. Unfortuately he is famous, a public figure. Here's another link to one of my other sites, you can criticize that one if you like :
http://www.builtbodies.com
Larry H. Smith
Veteran Member
Michael,
What's your definition of "soon", ...as in "coming soon"?
Thanks,
Larry
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Jack A. Zucker
Guest
What did that have to do with this thread?
I guess that only applies to your work?
People have a right to not like your work whether you are famous or not...And whether they are paying you to put a cowboy hat and red backlighting or not too...
-- http://www.jackzucker.com
Kenny Frank
Leading Member
I am attending that class in Las Vegas with Monte. Aside from the fact that it is an extremely useful class, I am getting the chance to really compare the Canon digital cameras.
I have a D30, Monte is using a D60 and another attendee has a 1D; we are going to try to make comparison shots with the 3 cameras.
Prior the arrival of the D60 Monte used a D30 exclusively (he switched to the D30 from Hasselblad!) and says the D60's images are far more detailed.
As to the AF issues, which are a real concern with the D30, most of our shooting has been with studio lighting, so there would obviously be no issue. But at the end of yesterday's class we did some shooting outside. See the "Daylight Engagement Picture."at http://www.zuga.net/forums/showthread.php?s=92255cfa66b55f7861d5bdf8eefcde36&threadid=2913 . Its the 3rd or 4th picture in that thread.
While we were doing those outside pictures (and the light was not strong) I stood behind Monte and took the same shots with my D30. We were both using the 28-135IS, at the same settings. I definitely had difficulty focusing on a number of occasions, and it seemed that his camera locked instantly with no trouble. Not a scientific study to be sure, but an observation.
I will definitely get my hands on the D60 in the next couple of days and I will make a real concerted effort to test the AF in low lighting situations. But Monte's firm feeling is it is a significant improvement over the D30.
From the perspective of overall response, however, the 1D is significantly better. Its 8fps shooting rate is not what I am referring to either-- what I mean is you notice a clear difference in the instantaneous response; while the D60 is improved over the D30, the 1D feels like a Ferrari compared to a Mazda Miata. It springs to life immediately and there is no hint of any lag of any sort when you take the picture. I used to have a 1N-RS (the model with the fixed pelicle mirror) which I loved because there was no mirror blackout. The 1D almost feels like that; the shot is taken so quickly, and there is so little mirror blackout time that you are ready to take the next shot almost instantly. That is defnitely not true with the D60. And you would not expect it to be for the difference in price.
But for me the real issue is the quality of the image, and by the end of this week I hope to have a firm basis for comparison. From what I've seen so far, the D60's images are definitely improved over the D30, and my inclination is to upgrade to the D60 now, and wait for the higher res 1D I imagine will be out by the end of the year, but not likely before.
K.
I have a D30, Monte is using a D60 and another attendee has a 1D; we are going to try to make comparison shots with the 3 cameras.
Prior the arrival of the D60 Monte used a D30 exclusively (he switched to the D30 from Hasselblad!) and says the D60's images are far more detailed.
As to the AF issues, which are a real concern with the D30, most of our shooting has been with studio lighting, so there would obviously be no issue. But at the end of yesterday's class we did some shooting outside. See the "Daylight Engagement Picture."at http://www.zuga.net/forums/showthread.php?s=92255cfa66b55f7861d5bdf8eefcde36&threadid=2913 . Its the 3rd or 4th picture in that thread.
While we were doing those outside pictures (and the light was not strong) I stood behind Monte and took the same shots with my D30. We were both using the 28-135IS, at the same settings. I definitely had difficulty focusing on a number of occasions, and it seemed that his camera locked instantly with no trouble. Not a scientific study to be sure, but an observation.
I will definitely get my hands on the D60 in the next couple of days and I will make a real concerted effort to test the AF in low lighting situations. But Monte's firm feeling is it is a significant improvement over the D30.
From the perspective of overall response, however, the 1D is significantly better. Its 8fps shooting rate is not what I am referring to either-- what I mean is you notice a clear difference in the instantaneous response; while the D60 is improved over the D30, the 1D feels like a Ferrari compared to a Mazda Miata. It springs to life immediately and there is no hint of any lag of any sort when you take the picture. I used to have a 1N-RS (the model with the fixed pelicle mirror) which I loved because there was no mirror blackout. The 1D almost feels like that; the shot is taken so quickly, and there is so little mirror blackout time that you are ready to take the next shot almost instantly. That is defnitely not true with the D60. And you would not expect it to be for the difference in price.
But for me the real issue is the quality of the image, and by the end of this week I hope to have a firm basis for comparison. From what I've seen so far, the D60's images are definitely improved over the D30, and my inclination is to upgrade to the D60 now, and wait for the higher res 1D I imagine will be out by the end of the year, but not likely before.
K.
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