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100 - 3200, I am the director of prod. dev. for canon :)

How would anyone know except for speculation or educated guess, but I am sure that it will mimic 1D in most all capabilities ...
DavidP said:
Now, what will be the ISO-capability of this thing?
Lee Rothman said:
But it will be more likely a 8mp. Look for announcment in November
of this year....
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
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... same sensor size, only more mp ... higher battery consumption, higher sensor temperature ... more noise ... and highest ISO-capability: ISO1000 ... oops, sounds familiar ???

ulli
 
DCHLondon said:
of a CMOS). Any later than this and the man would look foolish
saying it was 'soon',
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Well, I think you might want to re-read the article. I don't believe the Canon spokesman used the word "soon." The idea that it will be 'soon' is implied by the writer of the article and may or may not represent an accurate representation of the background context in which the conversation took place. The Times is good about that sort of thing, but not perfect. Also, what's 'soon'? 3 months, 9 months, 12 months? In product development circles, "soon" might well mean a year.
DCHLondon said:
... and the
new 1d and D1x to battle out the 8mp professional market later in
the year.
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Again, just to be an irritating noodge about accuracy, the Canon spokesperson said "6 or 8" megapixels, not just 8.

I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. But this looks to me like one of those things that could very quickly become a 'Canon said they'd have an 8-megapixel EOS-1D out within 3 months. So where is it?'
 
How about ISO 50-400 and 4 FPS? A very uneducated guess, but it would help Canon draw a line between the 1Ds and the 1D, so 1DS sales would not hurt the 1D so much. Oh that would be an evil choice.
Adi Khindaria said:
How would anyone know except for speculation or educated guess, but
I am sure that it will mimic 1D in most all capabilities ...
DavidP said:
Now, what will be the ISO-capability of this thing?
Lee Rothman said:
But it will be more likely a 8mp. Look for announcment in November
of this year....
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--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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--Valliesto
 
So then it would seem to make sense, unless you're a photojournalist and need a machine gun, if you can't wait, to go with the d60, buy the goodies, lenses, etc, and then buy the new 6-8mp 1d as the second body. Presumably it will have the 1.3x FCM (maybe none?), and will be slightly slower than the 1d (5-6FPS). Then you'd have two bodies, and you could use the d60 when you want longer focal lengths, and the new 1d for everything else. Only weakness in that argument is that sports photography calls for both long lenses and fast speeds!!! Oh well, if the new 6-8 mp 1d was here today, I'm not sure there are many Canon devotees that wouldn't pay almost anything to get in line and buy one! I'm I were running Canon, I'd be all over this before everyone else catches up, which they will! The sooner the better. Bring it on. Let's rock!
Adi Khindaria said:
"It's pretty safe to say that a six - or eight - megapixel
replacement for the 1D will be coming,"

From a canon Spokesman in New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/28/technology/circuits/28GEE1.html

I am waiting for this one, and then no more for next two years.

Regards,

Adi
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--Byron
 
How so many people find it easy to just go and "Pidgeonhole" a product for what market it is good and not good for. I have seen images from a 1D that clearly surpass the D30 in low noise, color balance and resolution. As for the rest of the camera comparing it to a D30/60 is IMHO like comparing a BMW 700 Series to a 325I. Nice but NO cigar. It is so much better built and so superior in it's uncanny ability to be customized for a particular shoot or subject, with blindingly fast shooting and focus speed, all of which the D series can only dream about at this point. Perfect? Of course NOT and with time (and some more adjustments from Canon we hope) it will remain way beyond the mear mortal capabilities of the D series as it sits.

It is also astounding to me how 90% of those here on this board that critisize the camera have either NEVER touched one or seen one. All they do it moan and complain about the banding that they see in someone else's images somewhere on the net. All I can say is that if they improve the 1D any more than is current, a comparison of the 1D vs. the D30/60 won't even be warranted at all anymore.
 
let's see...that would be june 2nd, right? I'll take that bet.

BTW, I accept paypal ;)

sean
Adi Khindaria said:
It is bigger news for all of us Rolland, who were debating
switching to D60. I bet you that the "1Ds; Higher res, lower frame
rate camera than 1D" will be out in another quarter, no more. If
that is the case then I am more than willing to wait.

$10 says that I am right on the timeframe, throw your bets in now :)

Regards,
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I agree with you Bob, all of us here must practise courtesy at all times.
Bob Markey said:
Regarding the "What an idiot" headline ... I wish some of you
would take a deep breath or two before posting such personal
attacks here. Is it necessary to be so critical and so nasty?

--
-------------------------------
Bob Markey II
http://www.palmswestpress.com
Royal Palm Beach/Wellington, Fla.
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Eamon Hickey said:
DCHLondon said:
of a CMOS). Any later than this and the man would look foolish
saying it was 'soon',
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Well, I think you might want to re-read the article. I don't
believe the Canon spokesman used the word "soon." The idea that it
will be 'soon' is implied by the writer of the article...
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Eamon,

Re. "re-read"-ing the article(carefully): perhaps we read the same "English" differently ;-)

If the quoted SPEAKER (not the writer)
peripheralfocus said:
peripheralfocus said:
"Lou Desiderio, a spokesman for Canon,
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actually
peripheralfocus said:
peripheralfocus said:
peripheralfocus said:
said he doubted that the
pixel gap between Canon's new camera and its most expensive model
would last long. "It's pretty safe to say that a six- or
eight-megapixel replacement for the 1D will be coming,"
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then...the "idea" was "implied" by the speaker. NOT the writer.

I think a fair inference is that if "the gap" won't "last long",...then it will be-filled BEFORE LONG, i.e. "sooner" rather than "later".

The first portion of the "Lou said",...while admittedly NOT in quotes, WAS reported as fact ("Lou ,,,SAID"...)!

If he did not-in-fact "SAY" the first portion, then the writer has flatly misrepresented the facts of the conversation ITSELF, never-mind the "background context".

I agree with you that defining "soon" is a separate matter .

Larry "just to be an irritating noodge about accuracy" :-)
peripheralfocus said:
and may or may not represent an accurate representation of the background
context in which the conversation took place. The Times is good
about that sort of thing, but not perfect. Also, what's 'soon'? 3
months, 9 months, 12 months? In product development circles, "soon"
might well mean a year.
peripheralfocus said:
... and the
new 1d and D1x to battle out the 8mp professional market later in
the year.
Click to expand...
Again, just to be an irritating noodge about accuracy, the Canon
spokesperson said "6 or 8" megapixels, not just 8.

I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. But this looks to me
like one of those things that could very quickly become a 'Canon
said they'd have an 8-megapixel EOS-1D out within 3 months. So
where is it?'
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Lee Rothman said:
It is also astounding to me how 90% of those here on this board
that critisize the camera have either NEVER touched one or seen
one. All they do it moan and complain about the banding that they
see in someone else's images somewhere on the net.
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Are you actually saying that potential buyers are not allowed to notice the banding and moire unless they've touched the camera? It's pretty lame to make a person unqualified to make observations on image quality produced by a camera simply because they aren't using it. There were significant problems with the camera (emphasis on the word, "were") which certainly deserved pointing out whether that person shot the photos himself or not.

The good news is that Canon is making that problem go away. I'd love to see some reports from someone who has sent in their 1D for hardware retooling. I'll probably pass judgement on those images, even though I would have never touched that camera. :-)

JCDoss--D30/BiG-ED28-135IS, 50/1.4
 
My bet is that Canon will announce a new camera in Sept to be released jan/feb, it will not be a competitor for a D1x as the D1x is already outmatched by the 1D and Nikon will have an upgrade out or at the very least announced by then. Rather this will be a larger MP 1D fewer frames per second but perhaps 5 rather then three by then, and with a zoom in playback.

Just my bet.
JCDoss said:
Adi Khindaria said:
I bet you that the "1Ds; Higher res, lower frame
rate camera than 1D" will be out in another quarter, no more.
$10 says that I am right on the timeframe, throw your bets in now :)
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I'll take that bet! Let's make the end of Q2, 2002, which would be
June 30. I bet you $10 that no such camera will be announced by
then. I'd even consider stretching it to Dec 31, 2002, but this
year's a Photokina year... lots of good things tend to happen at
Photokina. :-)

JCDoss
--
D30/BiG-ED
28-135IS, 50/1.4
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Typical marketeer talk.

"It's pretty safe to say that a 20 megapixel full frame SLR made in Korea will be coming..."

From a Samsung spokesman Joe Pak in Washington Post.
Adi Khindaria said:
"It's pretty safe to say that a six - or eight - megapixel
replacement for the 1D will be coming,"

From a canon Spokesman in New York Times.
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Whinning is the name of the game Lee, it is as old as the human race.

Better here at the boards than in real life, then we really look like jerks :)

On a serious note, I believe that we need a healthy bunch of skeptics and an equally robust bunch of supporters to allow of all good and bad of any product to come out. We are truly approaching free market economy these days because a fundamental tenet is being fulfilled "everyone should know everything about price, performance and options".

Also, remember there were some early 1D owners who were the biggest skeptics. Then the likes of Michael Reichmann (sp?) also came out skeptical and then "us" the people who borrowed it for a couple of days.

BTW, one does not need to know the chef (unless a beautiful woman :) to admire or criticise his/her dishes.

Regards,

Adi
Lee Rothman said:
How so many people find it easy to just go and "Pidgeonhole" a
product for what market it is good and not good for. I have seen
images from a 1D that clearly surpass the D30 in low noise, color
balance and resolution. As for the rest of the camera comparing it
to a D30/60 is IMHO like comparing a BMW 700 Series to a 325I. Nice
but NO cigar. It is so much better built and so superior in it's
uncanny ability to be customized for a particular shoot or subject,
with blindingly fast shooting and focus speed, all of which the D
series can only dream about at this point. Perfect? Of course NOT
and with time (and some more adjustments from Canon we hope) it
will remain way beyond the mear mortal capabilities of the D series
as it sits.

It is also astounding to me how 90% of those here on this board
that critisize the camera have either NEVER touched one or seen
one. All they do it moan and complain about the banding that they
see in someone else's images somewhere on the net. All I can say is
that if they improve the 1D any more than is current, a comparison
of the 1D vs. the D30/60 won't even be warranted at all anymore.
Click to expand...
 
Well, I understand your point, and I agree that the NY Times reporter should have been paraphrasing precisely when he wrote that Lou Desiderio doubted the gap would last long.

But my experience as a one-time sales rep for a big Japanese camera company (Nikon) and, now, as a magazine writer leaves me a smidgen wary of this little quote -- a somewhat mushy ("it's pretty safe to say ... will be coming") statement, partly paraphrased, and made by a spokesperson (probably a marketing rep or executive, in fact) in the U.S. sales subsidiary of a Japanese corporation which does all of its camera R&D and product planning in Japan.

I'm just afraid that some folks on this thread are trying to mine too much significance out of the statement. But if I turn out to be wrong, that's okay with me. Won't be the first time, and, alas, certainly not the last.

So now I'll skulk back into my noodge hole and stop raining on parades. :-)
lhsmith said:
Eamon Hickey said:
DCHLondon said:
of a CMOS). Any later than this and the man would look foolish
saying it was 'soon',
Click to expand...
Well, I think you might want to re-read the article. I don't
believe the Canon spokesman used the word "soon." The idea that it
will be 'soon' is implied by the writer of the article...
Click to expand...
Eamon,
Re. "re-read"-ing the article(carefully): perhaps we read the same
"English" differently ;-)

If the quoted SPEAKER (not the writer)
Larry H. Smith said:
Larry H. Smith said:
"Lou Desiderio, a spokesman for Canon,
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
actually
Larry H. Smith said:
Larry H. Smith said:
Larry H. Smith said:
said he doubted that the
pixel gap between Canon's new camera and its most expensive model
would last long. "It's pretty safe to say that a six- or
eight-megapixel replacement for the 1D will be coming,"
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
then...the "idea" was "implied" by the speaker. NOT the writer.

I think a fair inference is that if "the gap" won't "last
long",...then it will be-filled BEFORE LONG, i.e. "sooner" rather
than "later".

The first portion of the "Lou said",...while admittedly NOT in
quotes, WAS reported as fact ("Lou ,,,SAID"...)!

If he did not-in-fact "SAY" the first portion, then the writer has
flatly misrepresented the facts of the conversation ITSELF,
never-mind the "background context".

I agree with you that defining "soon" is a separate matter .

Larry "just to be an irritating noodge about accuracy" :-)
Larry H. Smith said:
and may or may not represent an accurate representation of the background
context in which the conversation took place. The Times is good
about that sort of thing, but not perfect. Also, what's 'soon'? 3
months, 9 months, 12 months? In product development circles, "soon"
might well mean a year.
Larry H. Smith said:
... and the
new 1d and D1x to battle out the 8mp professional market later in
the year.
Click to expand...
Again, just to be an irritating noodge about accuracy, the Canon
spokesperson said "6 or 8" megapixels, not just 8.

I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. But this looks to me
like one of those things that could very quickly become a 'Canon
said they'd have an 8-megapixel EOS-1D out within 3 months. So
where is it?'
Click to expand...
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Hi Eamon,

I was just playing with the "reading" dissection ;-).

Agree completely as to the amount of salt with-which-to-take the whole "report"!

Larry
Eamon Hickey said:
Well, I understand your point, and I agree that the NY Times
reporter should have been paraphrasing precisely when he wrote
that Lou Desiderio doubted the gap would last long.

But my experience as a one-time sales rep for a big Japanese camera
company (Nikon) and, now, as a magazine writer leaves me a smidgen
wary of this little quote -- a somewhat mushy ("it's pretty safe to
say ... will be coming") statement, partly paraphrased, and made by
a spokesperson (probably a marketing rep or executive, in fact) in
the U.S. sales subsidiary of a Japanese corporation which does all
of its camera R&D and product planning in Japan.

I'm just afraid that some folks on this thread are trying to mine
too much significance out of the statement. But if I turn out to be
wrong, that's okay with me. Won't be the first time, and, alas,
certainly not the last.
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Adi Khindaria said:
"It's pretty safe to say that a six - or eight - megapixel
replacement for the 1D will be coming,"

From a canon Spokesman in New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/28/technology/circuits/28GEE1.html

I am waiting for this one, and then no more for next two years.

Regards,

Adi
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I think everyone here is missing the obvious point. The spokesman said the gap would be filled meaning the digital eos 3 that everyone has been screaming for will be soon released!!!!!!!!!! (after June 1)
 
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