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Which one? E-400 $599 E-410 $699

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Raist3d
Tools/Gui Programmer - vid games industry, photography student
 
From the reviews I've seen I would say it depends on what type of photography you plan on doing. They are exactly the same except the E-410 has a 10MP Panasonic live-view sensor with slightly less high ISO noise. Whilst the E-400 has a 10MP Kodak sensor which is still excellent at 800 ISO and below.

I've heard the live-view is slow due to lots of mirror slapping to function, so personally I would save my money and get the E-400.
 
The E-400 is probably going to go down in history as a weird stop gap model, since it was only availalbe in Europe and was quickly eclisped by the E-410. For the extra $100 you get much better high iso performance and live-view, plus a model that will probably be around a lot longer and much more popular since it will have a world-wide release.
 
when LV is useful, lag is irrelevant.

Personally, I'd never buy another camera for personal (as opposed to pro) use without LV. $100 for it is a steal.
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w4rmk said:
The E-400 is probably going to go down in history as a weird stop
gap model, since it was only availalbe in Europe and was quickly
eclisped by the E-410. For the extra $100 you get much better high
iso performance and live-view, plus a model that will probably be
around a lot longer and much more popular since it will have a
world-wide release.
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I would guess that you're American :)

I do think it was very strange that the E-400 was never released in the US, I think there may be politics behind it, rather than the E-400 being a dud. There's no denying that the E-400 is a superb camera; see the following review, it suggest that its better than the Canon and Nikon equivalents, these are both very readily available in the US!
 
w4rmk said:
The E-400 is probably going to go down in history as a weird stop
gap model, since it was only availalbe in Europe and was quickly
eclisped by the E-410. For the extra $100 you get much better high
iso performance and live-view, plus a model that will probably be
around a lot longer and much more popular since it will have a
world-wide release.
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--If the LV was articulated as on the E-330, I'd agree, there is no question which is the better deal, but it's not, so a lot of the "macro potential" and tough shot solution potential is gone. The shot below was taken with a C-8080, on a monopod 13ft above the ground using the 12 second self-timer. There is no way I could have framed it without a tiltable live LCD.



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This what that $100 pays for, that the E-410 has over the E-400:

1. Live View Mode B (remember it is better implemented with exposore and WB information than E-330)

2. 10MP NMOS vs 8MB CCD - tests reviews that the high ISO performance is at least 1~2 stops better

3. Mirror Lockup - this feature is missing on the 400, unless if Oly release new firmware to fix that

4. Based on reviews seen so far, the 410 has a faster image processing engine, deeper buffer and possibly faster AF speed.

5. The E-410 appears to have better battery life when you don't use the Live View
6. Bragging rights for having the latest and the greatest

Your choice. ;-)
 
..I can tell you why you should get E410..

+ compressed RAW - 11MB vs. 22MB is a quite huge difference

+ better battery runtime - additional 100+ photos but there are some early reports about 1000+ images from a single battery charge!!!!

+ even better noise performance - almost no visible noise at ISO1600 with still preserved details! Many non-Oly people says, it's even better than some Canon and most of all Nikon models!

+ selectable noise filter - if you are like me, who like to turn the noise reduction/filter completely OFF ;)
+ mirror lockup - yep missing in E400!

+ turnable Flash AF Illuminator - so you can have raised flash without distracting and almost useless AF Illumination.

+ LiveView - I personally don't care about this. In daylight is still better to use viewfinder with split focusing screen

I think, all these additional features and improvements are worth of $100 and I have some hard time to decide to sell or keep the E400 and buy the E410 body ;) I simply love the E4xx concept so E410 is very tempting for me.
 
Louis_Dobson said:
when LV is useful, lag is irrelevant.

Personally, I'd never buy another camera for personal (as opposed
to pro) use without LV. $100 for it is a steal.
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Right. If all you used the liveview for was good DoF preview and for an accurate framing check now and then, it is a bargain IMO at $100.

Of course you can do both those things by actually taking a digital picture, but the interaction with liveview is so much better. I think one of the nicest ways to use liveview on the E-330 is to configure the "multishot" function button for one-touch DoF preview.

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dashure said:
2. 10MP NMOS vs 8MB CCD - tests reviews that the high ISO
performance is at least 1~2 stops better
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I feel like I'm in bizzaro world. You are the second person to say the E-400 has an 8Mp CCD when it actually has a 10Mp CCD.

That's just weird.

And again I'd suggest the reader research the other things pointed out carefully before believing them. If the sensor info wrong, I can only imagine the other things could be wrong too.

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gr33ndata said:
Hmmmm, I don't think the E410 worth it, the Live View is not that
what I would spend extra money on. I own an E400 now, but if the
new E510 was there when I bought my camera, I would have bought it.
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It's not worth it to you becuase you already have the e-400, that's understandable. But for someone who is looking to buy the e-400 or the e-410 the e-410 wins hands down and not because only the live view- it's also a new camera with better tech, better noise handling, faster autofocus. To me that's worth the $100.
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Raist3d
Tools/Gui Programmer - vid games industry, photography student
 
Jay Turberville said:
Jay Turberville said:
E-400: 8MP CCD
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No. E-400: 10Mp CCD
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My mistake. Hard sometimes to remember that the 400 didn't come along with the 500 and was rather a weird half-gen model.
Jay Turberville said:
Jay Turberville said:
E-410: 10MP NMOS with Live View
Otherwise identical.
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Maybe. But since you got the sensor info wrong, I'm not taking
your word for it.
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That's just being snarky.

Here are the changes as reported on this site:
  • Ten megapixel Live MOS Image Sensor (provides Full Time Live-View)
  • Auto Focus in Live View (although still requires live view freeze and mirror flap)
  • TruePic III processor (faster, better image quality, better noise reduction)
  • Shadow Adjustment Technology (as a play mode filter)
  • Improved continuous shooting; still 3 fps but unlimited at JPEG HQ or 7 RAW
  • No warning message at higher sensitivities (E-400 warned from ISO 800 upwards)
 
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