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Has anyone tried the new batteries?
I have heard that there are three mfrs. Rayovac, Sanyo, Hybrio.
I am specifically interested in AA cells.
Also, what about experience with chargers?
 
PGSexton said:
Has anyone tried the new batteries?
I have heard that there are three mfrs. Rayovac, Sanyo, Hybrio.
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"Hybrio" isn't a maker, it's the brand name used by Uniross for their hybrid NiMH batteries - just like Sanyo call theirs "Eneloop".
PGSexton said:
Also, what about experience with chargers?
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I use Uniross Hybrios with my usual charger - a MH-C401FS. There's no special charger needed.

And they do work very well, better than I expected to be honest.

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Also Ansmann MaxE cells. They are 2100 mAh so slightly more powerful then some of the other pre charged cells.
 
I use Sanyo Eneloop in my Fuji S3, and they work great. No mores worries about empty batteries.

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These hubrids are good if you don't use your camera every day. Several people have reported favourably on them.

I have a set of Eneloop that has been in my camera for almost 4 months, used occasionally, and still good.

I have 2 sets put aside since last Dec, one inside a retired camera, and the other in a box. In June, I will test them and get a more scientific measurement.
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Can you be specific what will happen if one uses their camera every day while using Eneloop batteries? Will it melt down, blow up, run out of gas? What exactly?

Before you answer, keep in mind I have been using some Eneloops in a camera for over three months, now, shooting every day, and amazingly, nothing bad has happened. In fact, just the opposite, as I'm getting between 350 and 450 exposures per charge depending on flash use.

Yes, the rated capacity is a bit less than the higher capacity standard chemistry NiMH batteries, but the real life overall results net out about the same with typical average use.

If a person is a daily shooter that frequently exceeds the capacity of one set of NiMH batteries, then obviously some 2800 mAh batts would be the best choice. But for the rest of us (about 99.9% of the AA camera shooting population) the hybrids are far better overall, IMO.

These things are the kicker that all Nickel chemistry battery users have been waiting for.

Rick
 
RickS said:
Can you be specific what will happen if one uses their camera every
day while using Eneloop batteries? Will it melt down, blow up, run
out of gas? What exactly?
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I believe that the intent above was to suggest that Eneloops are a good choice for those who might not use their cameras on a frequent base.

Normal NiMH batteries do loose an appreciable amount of charge while simply sitting. Switching to Eneloops would decrease the likelihood of picking up a dusty camera and finding the batteries flat.
RickS said:
Before you answer, keep in mind I have been using some Eneloops in
a camera for over three months, now, shooting every day, and
amazingly, nothing bad has happened. In fact, just the opposite, as
I'm getting between 350 and 450 exposures per charge depending on
flash use.

Yes, the rated capacity is a bit less than the higher capacity
standard chemistry NiMH batteries, but the real life overall
results net out about the same with typical average use.

If a person is a daily shooter that frequently exceeds the capacity
of one set of NiMH batteries, then obviously some 2800 mAh batts
would be the best choice. But for the rest of us (about 99.9% of
the AA camera shooting population) the hybrids are far better
overall, IMO.

These things are the kicker that all Nickel chemistry battery users
have been waiting for.

Rick
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I've been using both Sanyo Eneloops and Ray-O-Vac Hybrids and have gotten excellent results from them. I use the same chargers I did for years with the miserable standard-type NiMH batteries with which we were burdened before this wonderful new group of them appeared.
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I use my Eneloops and Hybrids heavily, on a daily basis in some cameras, while other cameras sit for months without my needing them. In all cases, this new type if NiMH is far superior in not only retention of charge over time, but in actual, delivered capacity for immediate use after charging. The stated capacities of the older and under-achieving types of NiMH batteries are misleading and probably not accurate. The 2,100mAh Eneloops and Hybrids give me more pictures and operating time than the older 2,500mAh types ever did, even right after they were charged.
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RickS said:
Can you be specific what will happen if one uses their camera every
day while using Eneloop batteries? Will it melt down, blow up, run
out of gas? What exactly?
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Ha ha, nothing like that. Only that if you use your camera frequently, therefore have to recharge frequently, it is more cost effective to use the regular batteries, which have higher capacity, and cost quite a bit less.
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JonathanF
 
Stephen McDonald said:
The 2,100mAh Eneloops and
Hybrids give me more pictures and operating time than the older
2,500mAh types ever did, even right after they were charged.
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Yes I find that too. They have more usable capacity, despite what the labels imply.

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I bought 4 sets of the Uniross Hybrios to use in my flash units and they are great. They seem to recycle the flash faster than my regular NiMH batteries and I haven't had to recharge them yet either. My 6 year old daughter has a hand me down Oly C-700 that tends to sit unused for weeks at a time and I got so tired of trying to find a set of regular NiMHs that still had enough charge in them to work more than 5 minutes. I'm going to by a bunch more as I have 3 flash units to feed.

Regards, Paul
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Thanks, everyone, for providing good, useful information.

I have read, since my first post, a suggestion that it is better to have a charger that monitors the individual, rather than dual cells when charging. Does that make sense? Does anyone have a charger that monitors individual cells?
 
PGSexton said:
I have read, since my first post, a suggestion that it is better to
have a charger that monitors the individual, rather than dual cells
when charging. Does that make sense? Does anyone have a charger
that monitors individual cells?
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Yes, the MH-C401FS I mentioned earlier. It's a very good charger, I can't fault it.

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Latest walkabout (21 March 2007):
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I think even if someone uses their camera daily and even if they use 2800+ regular NiMHs, they can still benefit from having Eneloops around as backups sitting in their bag in case they end up shooting a lot more than they expected and all their other batteries are depleted :)

But for those who already have high capacity regular NiMHs and use them daily, they don't have to switch to Eneloops.

I think a combination of both types can be a more flexible and cost-efficient strategy.
RickS said:
Can you be specific what will happen if one uses their camera every
day while using Eneloop batteries? Will it melt down, blow up, run
out of gas? What exactly?

Before you answer, keep in mind I have been using some Eneloops in
a camera for over three months, now, shooting every day, and
amazingly, nothing bad has happened. In fact, just the opposite, as
I'm getting between 350 and 450 exposures per charge depending on
flash use.

Yes, the rated capacity is a bit less than the higher capacity
standard chemistry NiMH batteries, but the real life overall
results net out about the same with typical average use.

If a person is a daily shooter that frequently exceeds the capacity
of one set of NiMH batteries, then obviously some 2800 mAh batts
would be the best choice. But for the rest of us (about 99.9% of
the AA camera shooting population) the hybrids are far better
overall, IMO.

These things are the kicker that all Nickel chemistry battery users
have been waiting for.

Rick
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Well said.

This was actually the point I was trying to make above under the "Please, explain" subject line. My comment was intended to be a bit rhetorical because I felt Jonathan's comment was a little too absolute for me to agree with it (sorry, Jonathan). Apparently Bob saw it as a real request for an explanation (sorry, Bob).

After 35 years of my having dealt with all types of rechargeable batteries in many different environments, including some high demand industrial applications, these hybrids, Eneloops specifically for me, since they are the only ones I've experienced so far, are one of the biggest steps forward in consumer battery technology I've ever seen. They pretty much eliminate the major negative side effects of standard NiMH batteries while maintaining an excellent capacity delivery and the convenience of batteries in standardized packaging (AA and AAA).

I completely agree, as you said, that their usable/useful capacity meets or exceeds all but the highest capacity equivalent standard NiMH batteries out there.

Rick
 
JonathanF said:
Ha ha, nothing like that. Only that if you use your camera
frequently, therefore have to recharge frequently, it is more cost
effective to use the regular batteries, which have higher capacity,
and cost quite a bit less.
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I have found Eneloop more stable and last longer than regular NiMH even for daily use, despite Eneloop is rated 2000mAh only.
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wlachan said:
JonathanF said:
Ha ha, nothing like that. Only that if you use your camera
frequently, therefore have to recharge frequently, it is more cost
effective to use the regular batteries, which have higher capacity,
and cost quite a bit less.
Click to expand...
I have found Eneloop more stable and last longer than regular NiMH
even for daily use, despite Eneloop is rated 2000mAh only.
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Eneloops and all Sanyos, in my experience and testing, deliver the specified capacity which is + -10% of marked. Many don't deliver even 70% of marked capacity in my experience. That could be a difference.

--mamallama
 
mamallama said:
Eneloops and all Sanyos, in my experience and testing, deliver the
specified capacity which is + -10% of marked. Many don't deliver
even 70% of marked capacity in my experience. That could be a
difference.
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I don't know much about test NiMH properly but with my dslr, no NiMH work satisfactorily except Eneloop which seems to last forever. I don't really care what the labels say but it work.
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