Epson 3800 third party inks........

The Epson 3800/K3 is one damn great printer system for the money. Only catch there is, is the smaller carts making ink consumption costs steep, well, comparing from the 2200ml. carts prices.

I was thinking a way to overcome this, would be to use a continous ink system refilling the bottles from ink out of the big Epson 2200 ml. cartridges.

Is this possible? How difficult (messy) could be to open the presurized carts?

Regards

Eduardo

Eduardo,

I don't believe the cartridges are pressurized per se; It's the printer that pumps air into them when operating.

Regarding recharging the carts I'm sure someone will at some point (if not already) find the way to refill them and reset the chips.

Edymagno said:

The Epson 3800/K3 is one damn great printer system for the money.
Only catch there is, is the smaller carts making ink consumption
costs steep, well, comparing from the 2200ml. carts prices.

I was thinking a way to overcome this, would be to use a continous
ink system refilling the bottles from ink out of the big Epson
2200 ml. cartridges.

Is this possible? How difficult (messy) could be to open the
presurized carts?

Regards

Eduardo

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Thanks Pablo.
I didn't know that.

In that case and in unison with the past achievements of the third party ink industry it is very possible.
Imagine a $ 1,300.00 17" K3 printer with 9800 ink costs!

Regards
Eduardo

Personally I would not use third pary ink sets on my also new Epson 3800. Because I do not know whats in those other inks. The K3 inks stand for me as quality. That I want buy to my clients too. So I can be sure that those inks lasting over many many years.

I do not know but I think the inks are much important than the printer itself. Its like if I read in many forums around, they buy the pro cameras and use the cheapest lenses. Just to say I have a Canon 1D III or something like that.

I also do not like dye printers anymore. I have one ip8500 in use for letters and some fast prints.

But I do never use it for clients or for my own fine art printing.

I know the K3 inks for Epson3800 are not the cheapest. But I get in fact for that amount high quality, longlivety as well fantastic prints.

Thats my opinion.

Martin

http://www.martin-steiner.ch

Drebeler said:

tex said:

Drebeler said:

tex wrote:
Epson has been using pressurized carts before the dawn of man...

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well, i don't think they are in the 2400 or 4800, the 2 printers on
either side of the 3800 in cost, are they? it was my understanding
that they were different. maybe i'm wrong. ya know, i've been
wrong before.

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Epson uses a pressurized inkjet catridge system in all their printers.

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Apparently the 3800 uses a new pressurized system. From the Epson 3800 site...

"All-new, pressurized ink cartridge technology ensures reliable ink delivery at all print speeds, while dramatically reducing the physical size of the ink cartridges."

Sal

i seem to recall that sentence on the epson site. of course, it could be marketing-ese, and this guy could be right that there's no essential difference in the carts except size....

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tex said:

Drebeler said:

tex wrote:
Epson has been using pressurized carts before the dawn of man...

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well, i don't think they are in the 2400 or 4800, the 2 printers on
either side of the 3800 in cost, are they? it was my understanding
that they were different. maybe i'm wrong. ya know, i've been
wrong before.

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Epson uses a pressurized inkjet catridge system in all their printers.

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I just performed a search to see if this was true. From what I can find the only Epson printers that use pressurized carts are the 3800 and the bigger 7800 and 9800. The 2400 and 4800 do not use pressurized carts. Here's more...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/K3-Preview.shtml

Sal

It's more of a personal preference, but as far as my 3800 is concerned it's Epson ink and paper only.

Are you some kind of mindreader? He never mentioned that he sold prints much less sold them AND advertised them as using Epson inks.

Steve

Drebeler said:

Hope that I'm never a customer of your printed products
claiming to be Epson.

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bb_photo said:

Are you some kind of mindreader? He never mentioned that he sold
prints much less sold them AND advertised them as using Epson inks.

Steve

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Ouch.

Not true. I use ONLY authentic shi^t here.
Sell a bunch. Eat your heart out, bb.

Drebeler.

Sorry , I may have replied to the wrong poster.

No offence please. ;-)

Hard to figure out who is writing what in this place.

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Drebeler.

If you had just taken delivery of a luxury car would you be on a forum asking where you could get cheap fuel for it?

get a grip of yourself and use the Epson inks designed for the printer, they will give you better resulst and much less hassle. If you wanted worse quality why buy that printer, there a re shaper ones around.
But please yourself, it's your funeral.
jules

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i'm not at all sure that the OP's question was about where to get shi* y, cheap ink that was bound to break his machine!

there are 3rd party ink suppliers doing their best to provide very high quality, archival products. the piezography site is one. someone point me in the direction of the tests done that demonstrate unequivocally that some of these aren't good choices. i would be very happy to see these tests for myself. very happy.

eric chan's helpful post includes an interesting point about warranty issues, but there's a federal law that actually protects consumers in warranty issues of this sort. furthermore, antitrust laws protect you. this is not to say you might not get into a conflict with customer support, but you do have the law behind you.

for the record, i am not advocating anybody's ink, and i currently use epson ink and have no plans to change. but this discussion has gotten whacky.

Great, so you are protected if you run into trouble with third party inks. I would prefer to use inks where I don't have to think about such eventualities!

I have a 4800, the inks are quite expensive but they are huge (220ml carts) and last for A...G...E...S even printing nice 20x16s all the time.

Life's too short for the hassles that you are inviting. if you buy an expensive, professional, hugh quality printer, use expensive, professional, hugh quality inks.

Jules

tex said:

i'm not at all sure that the OP's question was about where to get
shi* y, cheap ink that was bound to break his machine!

there are 3rd party ink suppliers doing their best to provide very
high quality, archival products. the piezography site is one.
someone point me in the direction of the tests done that
demonstrate unequivocally that some of these aren't good choices.
i would be very happy to see these tests for myself. very happy.

eric chan's helpful post includes an interesting point about
warranty issues, but there's a federal law that actually protects
consumers in warranty issues of this sort. furthermore, antitrust
laws protect you. this is not to say you might not get into a
conflict with customer support, but you do have the law behind you.

for the record, i am not advocating anybody's ink, and i currently
use epson ink and have no plans to change. but this discussion has
gotten whacky.

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nada

Yes I did. That's why I replied.
Jules

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nada

I can't see many people making 3rd party inks for this printer. If you wanted to save money on Ink most people would buy the 4800 and get 220 ink cartridges and have roll abilities to save on paper costs. So if you bought the 3800 because you are price conscience you may have made the wrong decision, although having the ability to switch from glossy to matte stock is nice and maybe worth the savings of ink and paper.

I personally would never take the risk of a 3rd party ink with my main printing source.

tex said:

tex said:

I dunno? I'm losing it from replying to too many posts like this.

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which begs the question why you do reply to 'too many posts like
this', implied in my first response to you. but now i have your
profile, as it were, and you mine, and with discipline we can each
avoid each other on these forums. and good luck with that cat.
instant karma, perhaps.

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...using capitals again? Jees. Hard reach huh?

I don't think you read mine either mate. I don't want protection when something goes wrong. i don't want it to go wrong in the first place.

We sell large prinys to clients every day for substantial amounts of money. Epson, whose onks we happen to use, have probably spent millions over the years on their ink development and I trust their inks not to change, fade or any other degradation. Other manufacturers do not have these funds and i would guess do not take such care. I imagine they are produced cheaply in countries where the checks are not as vigilant as those that Canon and Epson keeop over their manufacturers.

My brother recently bought a set of inks from another manufacturer for his HP printer in Greece where he lives. He failed to get them to work. On a visit here in the UK he contacted them and they told him he had to take the chips off the old original carts and put them on theirs. here was no mention of this with their packing.
I can sell one print that will cover the cost of a set of inks on my printer.

I repeat that i do not want the hassle, or risk of clients bringing prints back in a few years.

As for your comment that you are legally covered using Other manufacturer's inks. The last think I want is arbitration when trying to run a business.
OM inks are cheaper. Cheaper means one thing to me...worse.

You use them if you want to. I wont. I use the inks thatwere designed for my excellent printer. I am happy with that and the costs are easily covered. Why would I want to cut corners?
jules

tex said:

nada

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