I've done a little research and know this cameras are roughly in the same price range. I know Dimage 7 has 5.2 and Canon Power Shot G2 has 4.0. I just want sharp, clear pictures and very ease of use. I'm into letting the camera do everything for me right now. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
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Canon Power Shot G2 or Dimage 7?
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Mike Roberts
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The G2 is for those who want to let the camera do most of the work most of the time. The biggest thing you will miss out on if you take the G2 is the greater focal length range of the D7.
The D7 is better, but only if you take control.
Mike Roberts
Hi Debbie,
Here is a link to a D7 v G2 posting I made in the Minolta forum a few weeks ago...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2124147
If you are only chosing between these two cameras, I think the G2 is probably the best choice for you. The D7 is mainly best suited to enthusiasts who are prepared to spend time playing with colour space issues and battery charging management. I own a D7 and I think it's a great camera - but it is not the better choice if you want an easy life.
Cheers.
Mark H.
Here is a link to a D7 v G2 posting I made in the Minolta forum a few weeks ago...
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2124147
If you are only chosing between these two cameras, I think the G2 is probably the best choice for you. The D7 is mainly best suited to enthusiasts who are prepared to spend time playing with colour space issues and battery charging management. I own a D7 and I think it's a great camera - but it is not the better choice if you want an easy life.
Cheers.
Mark H.
Steve Sotello
Member
Mark,
Congratulations for telling it like you see it. I have asked this same question
before (comparing several cameras) and it seems that most of the time the responses are aimed at justifying the purchases and not being honest. It is more helpful if the people that use the camera would point out the good and the not-so-good features. Really though when it comes down to it each person needs to try to use the cameras themselves then factor in the info the gather from their research. In my opinion I agree with Mark that the G2, while it may not have the zoom capability, will be the easiest to use. It will produce consistently good pictures and it does provide for some manual controls that will enable you to be more creative. It has the swivel LCD and excellent battery life, etc......Just my opinion. And the price will go down on the 1st of March.
Conoga Camera is the place I would recommend for online purchase of either camera..ask forGreg...good people to deal with will gladly answer your questions and they won't over-charge for accessories and shipping.
http://www.canogacameras.com
Goodl luck,
Steve
Congratulations for telling it like you see it. I have asked this same question
before (comparing several cameras) and it seems that most of the time the responses are aimed at justifying the purchases and not being honest. It is more helpful if the people that use the camera would point out the good and the not-so-good features. Really though when it comes down to it each person needs to try to use the cameras themselves then factor in the info the gather from their research. In my opinion I agree with Mark that the G2, while it may not have the zoom capability, will be the easiest to use. It will produce consistently good pictures and it does provide for some manual controls that will enable you to be more creative. It has the swivel LCD and excellent battery life, etc......Just my opinion. And the price will go down on the 1st of March.
Conoga Camera is the place I would recommend for online purchase of either camera..ask forGreg...good people to deal with will gladly answer your questions and they won't over-charge for accessories and shipping.
http://www.canogacameras.com
Goodl luck,
Steve
The problem here in discussion forum is when you ask which of the 2 cameras is better, they will choose the one they own as the better one and you don't get an unbiased answer. Each of these camera has its own strengths and weaknesses and your choice would depend mainly on your needs & priorities. These 2 cameras have been extensively and exhaustively discussed in DP Review, Imaging Resource, Steve's DigiCams, and Digital Camera Resource Page. Based on my reasearch, G2 edges D7 although the latter has a higher megapixel. G2 has excellent picture quality, versatile LCD, longer battery life, compact & easy to use, many features, and cheaper. The G2's bad features include focus time lags on LCD and optional attachment lenses a bit cumbersome, but still CNET rated it 9/10 and was selected as Editors' Choice. D7 is rated 7/10 with bad features like it heats up, grainy viewfinder, short battery life, sluggish auto focus and shutter doesn't always fire when the release is pressed. G2 was also ranked 1st by ZDNet.com, MySimon.com, Steve's DigiCams for 4 MP camera and 2nd by PC World. G2 earned 4 out of 5 stars in Digital Camera Views and scored 9.2 in Megapixel.net. Some photography magazines also gave excellent reviews and ratings. I mean, what more proof do you need? I think I would rely more on the reviews and ratings of these camera aficionados and gurus rather than individual camera owners who have all praises for their "best" cameras who probably, just probably, didn't even have a basis of comparison at all (I'm talking of ALL discussion forum). Some have valid points though but give you only bits & pieces of information. So, my advise is try to read some of the reviews, most notably, Phil Askey's review (you're here anyway in his web page) and decide which one is best for you. Good Luck! (Sorry for this very long response, I'm just trying to be as fair as I could be and I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.)
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
The flaw in your argument is that the reviewers only have the cameras for rather short periods of time. 2 weeks or less. So cameras that are more automatic (such as the G2) get a better rating than cameras that require a little more time on the learning curve (such as a D7). This also hurts more innovative cameras (such as the D7).
Also reviewers get things wrong or misunderstand the tradeoffs in design.
Phil's (and other reviewers) issues with heat and battery life have been pretty much been disproved by the fact that with good, properly conditioned batteries, and cleaned battery contacts (remember there was a problem with this early on in the D7 and Phil's review was early on) the heat is minimal (and certainly nothing to worry about) and the battery life is quite acceptable ( unless 150 shots per set is not
). 2-3 sets of batteries is enough for any, but the most intensive of shooting sessions.
I agree that the grain of the EVF is a trade off over its added functionality as a live previewing, useable in all lighting conditions VF. For someone like me who does not have years of experience with SLRs so I know how to deal instinctively with exposure it allows me to instinctively deal with exposure because I get what I see.
I am sure all reviews suffer from these sorts of mistakes and misunderstandings all the time. And the more outside the norm the device the more lilkely the review errs here and there.
Personally, the G2 is excellent for someone who needs a pocketable camera, wants to use it mainly in automatic, and sometimes wants more control, i.e. the more recreational photographer. I would consider it as a second camera if I felt I needed one and would certainly recommend it to my Mom (the family and vacation photographer of my childhood) over the D7.
The D7 is excellent for the more serious photographer who wants lots of control over the final image almost all the time and wants to take the greatest variety of pictures (again that focal length range is so versatile compared to most other digicams). The D7 colors are unparalled for accuracy in the prosumer/consumer class of cameras. The D7 performs Ok as a point-and-shoot if you figure out the right tweaks to use as default settings, but the point of point-and-shoot (heh, heh) is to not have to figure out much.
Mike Roberts
P.S. BTW, the thing I can never figure out is how someone who wants to be a [ JameEarlJonesVoice] photographer and should want a lot of versatility in a camera can choose not to have the 28mm-200mm lens of the D7 given that the D7 does take great pictures (I can provide proof). I can understand how wanting easy, or pocketable, or just wanting to take some pictures (as opposed to wanting to be a [ JamesEarlJonesVoice] photographer) overrides the D7 issues, but for the more serious of us (whether we really are or not) I just find the G2 too limiting as great as it is. I mean if I could afford a D1x and accessories (and stand to lug it all around) I would have one in a NY minute, but I cannot. IMO, the D7 was the best compromise and that was when they were $1500. Now its just a sin to not get one (unless you really like those 707 colors).
G2 owners, please do not take that as a slam. I have seen a great many excellent G2 photographs, i.e. not just taking pictures.
Now where did I put my flame proof jammies?
Also reviewers get things wrong or misunderstand the tradeoffs in design.
Phil's (and other reviewers) issues with heat and battery life have been pretty much been disproved by the fact that with good, properly conditioned batteries, and cleaned battery contacts (remember there was a problem with this early on in the D7 and Phil's review was early on) the heat is minimal (and certainly nothing to worry about) and the battery life is quite acceptable ( unless 150 shots per set is not
). 2-3 sets of batteries is enough for any, but the most intensive of shooting sessions.I agree that the grain of the EVF is a trade off over its added functionality as a live previewing, useable in all lighting conditions VF. For someone like me who does not have years of experience with SLRs so I know how to deal instinctively with exposure it allows me to instinctively deal with exposure because I get what I see.
I am sure all reviews suffer from these sorts of mistakes and misunderstandings all the time. And the more outside the norm the device the more lilkely the review errs here and there.
Personally, the G2 is excellent for someone who needs a pocketable camera, wants to use it mainly in automatic, and sometimes wants more control, i.e. the more recreational photographer. I would consider it as a second camera if I felt I needed one and would certainly recommend it to my Mom (the family and vacation photographer of my childhood) over the D7.
The D7 is excellent for the more serious photographer who wants lots of control over the final image almost all the time and wants to take the greatest variety of pictures (again that focal length range is so versatile compared to most other digicams). The D7 colors are unparalled for accuracy in the prosumer/consumer class of cameras. The D7 performs Ok as a point-and-shoot if you figure out the right tweaks to use as default settings, but the point of point-and-shoot (heh, heh) is to not have to figure out much.
Mike Roberts
P.S. BTW, the thing I can never figure out is how someone who wants to be a [ JameEarlJonesVoice] photographer and should want a lot of versatility in a camera can choose not to have the 28mm-200mm lens of the D7 given that the D7 does take great pictures (I can provide proof). I can understand how wanting easy, or pocketable, or just wanting to take some pictures (as opposed to wanting to be a [ JamesEarlJonesVoice] photographer) overrides the D7 issues, but for the more serious of us (whether we really are or not) I just find the G2 too limiting as great as it is. I mean if I could afford a D1x and accessories (and stand to lug it all around) I would have one in a NY minute, but I cannot. IMO, the D7 was the best compromise and that was when they were $1500. Now its just a sin to not get one (unless you really like those 707 colors).
G2 owners, please do not take that as a slam. I have seen a great many excellent G2 photographs, i.e. not just taking pictures.
Now where did I put my flame proof jammies?
I'm confused. Other than the the difference in the lens and pixel count, why, exactly, is the D7 better for someone who wants creative control of their shots?
What makes the G2 more automatic? Is the D7's auto mode bad? What settings does the D7 have that the G2 is missing? Is a steeper learning curve a good thing?
I've seen a lot of posts that refer to the G2 as a point and shoot camera. Is there a "bigger is better" thing going on here?
What makes the G2 more automatic? Is the D7's auto mode bad? What settings does the D7 have that the G2 is missing? Is a steeper learning curve a good thing?
I've seen a lot of posts that refer to the G2 as a point and shoot camera. Is there a "bigger is better" thing going on here?
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
Some of it is how easy is it to get to a feature. Some is how many steps that feature has. The first makes the use of the feature harder. less likely to be used, and/or more likely to be forgotten and to not change it back. The second is matter of how much control do you have. Contrast is an example of both.
I could have this one wrong, but the only way to see the histogram is in playback or by always having the image display (in detailed info and histogram mode) after every picture. I would think that this would make it more of a pain to use than the D7 way of doing it.
The VF is not showing you what the camera is really seeing. You can use that LCD, but then, at times, you will have to put up with light falling on the LCD and the affect of that on how you see the image presented. Whether the VF is EVF or OVF if its through the lens and shows all (or nearly all) of the scene it improves your ability to see what you are doing when the LCD is not being as useful. This does not matter as much if you shoot where the LCD is always useful, but I spent last vacation in the desert in intense light. I doubt any LCD could of been used as effectively as one would desire.
And from Phil's Con summary...
1) Sharpening/diagonal line artifacts - this should not affect many shots, but at time it could 'ruin' a shot
2) Average macro performance - you cannot do as much with it (you may lump this with lens, but I have been talking about the focal length range)
3) Zoom controller does not have enough increments/multiple zoom speed - D7 is totally variable over its 28mm-200mm
4) RAW acquire module/RAW convert doesn't have enough functionality - some might consider this a good thing for the G2 compared to the D7
5) Barrel distortion at wide angle - you may be lumping this with the lens, but it hurts an already less wide, wide angle
6) Manual mode limits in relation to combinations of aperture and shutter speed - no such limits on the D7
It just is better at it and more effort was put into this part of the design based on the target audience.
It also looks like a point-and-shoot. It is a super duper point-and-shoot since it does give a lot of control compared to a pure point-and-shoot
Not bad, just a bit weak in pure auto. It just needs some settings tweaked (EV, contrast, and, for some folks, color are common tweaks) and then it does quite well, but the point of auto mode is to not need any tweaks.
See above.
Well that depends on the person, what they want to accomplish, and what the payoff is for climbing that curve. I would say it is only about 1-2 weeks longer for most folks if they are playing with their new D7 everday. The more you have already learned on DPReview the shorter it is. You do end up learning more about digicams, printing, and color.
No. But I guess you could say, in this case, bigger is better because it results in a more flexibile photographic system.
I hope that explains where I am coming from.
Mike Roberts
I really wasn't looking for a side by side comparison. But, since you have strayed this direction, allow me to retort..
I would like to be able to see more information when looking through the view finder and the D7 does have this. But when I looked at the D7 when shopping, I really didn't like the grainy image in the EVF. As I said, personal preference.
Continued...
The manual controls on the G2 are very easy to operate. No features that I am aware of are "hidden" at all on the G2.
As for the level of control, the G2 provides just about all the control over settings there is. This is your point that is confusing me. What control does the D7 provide that the G2 doesn't have?
I don't follow? Why is it hard to adjust the contrast on the G2? How often are you adjusting the contrast processing on your camera anyway? Why do it at all when it is easier done with an editing program that would give far more control than any camera?
In this, you are mistaken. You can view the histogram in preview mode without having to go into playback mode and without havin to see it on every image. I have no idea how the D7 does it so I cannot compare. But to me, the histogram is easily accessible when/if I need it, which certainly is not after every shot. And, since you are quoting Phil's review, he says about the D7, "No histogram in record mode, cannot browse with histogram displayed."
I can give you this one, but I would hardly add this as has providing more creative control. I think it's more personal preference. I use both the LCD and the viewfinder and both work fine. At wide angle, paralax error is pretty much a non-issue. And If I am that concerned with what is at the edge of my pictures, I use the LCD. The LCD is very viewable in bright light. If the direct sun is too intense, you can swivel it to reduce any glare left.
I would like to be able to see more information when looking through the view finder and the D7 does have this. But when I looked at the D7 when shopping, I really didn't like the grainy image in the EVF. As I said, personal preference.
After thousands of shots, haven't even seen it.
3 cm difference does not add too much creative control I think. Besides, anyone planning on doing real macro photography with either camera would be using add on lenes or filters.
OK.
What functionality is missing? Phil only mentions White balance, saturation, contrast and sharpness in the Minolta software, all of which is adjustable in the Canon RAW acquire module as well. In addition, there is a TWAIN module that allows you to open the RAW files in any TWAIN compatible photoediting software, including Photoshop and Paintshot Pro. What am I missing here?4) RAW acquire module/RAW convert doesn't have enough functionality
D7
- some might consider this a good thing for the G2 compared to the
Hmmm, Phil's review lists the D7 with 1.3% barrel distortion as compared to the G2's 1.1%. More is better??
True. An unfortunate side effect of the combination shutter/aperature mechanism.
What target would that be? Given the price and level of manual adjustments it is capable of, I hardly think it is targeted at the point & shoot market. There are plenty of cheaper smaller cameras out there that are very well designed for this niche.
So if it looks like a duck...?It also looks like a point-and-shoot. It is a super duper
point-and-shoot since it does give a lot of control compared to a
pure point-and-shoot
I fail to see why having a better Auto is a limitation and classifies the camera as a Point and shoot. Just because Canon did their Auto mode better doesn't mean it has less creative control. It just makes the D7 harder to master (not that using auto mode is mastering). And regardless of what you might think the G2's "target" market is, from what I've seen, very few G2 owners even use the auto mode.
Continued...
As for settings/features the G2 has that the D7 does not...
1. 15 sec exposure time will greatly improve creative control of low light shooting over a 4 sec limit.
2. Faster lens (f2.0 vs. f2.8), lets in more light, which results in better, sharper images.
3. Focus assist light which will allow you to shoot in total darkness (within a limited range of course) and still achieve sharp focus.
4. Swivel LCD which allows for very creative perspectives with out having to contort one's body unaturally and even allows aimed shots not possible with a fixed LCD or viewfinder.
What is it you can accomplish with a D7 that you cannot with a G2? I am not seeing a significant difference here. That being the case, I think most would prefer a camera that they can master more quickly.
How exactly? The only additional flexibility you've demonstrated is the increased range in focal length and a few mor exposure setting combinations.
Not really. It seems you are justifying your preference of the D7 over the G2, which is really unnecessary. It's just that I've seen many posts indicating the G2 is a better camera for people who just want to take snapshots. I suppose with a superior Auto mode, it is. That and the proprietary color space issue with the Minolta would make the G2 seem more attractive to the average person who doesn't want to have to mess with converting the images after shooting. But, the statement seems to also bear that the G2 is lacking in creative control, which it clearly is not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging on the D7. I'm sure it's a fine camera and I came close to owning one myself. I think in the right hands, either camera would perform very well and very closely. I just hate to see people get steered away from making an educated decision due to misinformation.
Gene Wilburn
Leading Member
Debbie,
I recently came down to the same two cameras on my buy list. The D7 has more optical zoom and an EVF. The G2 is more compact and, IMO, feels better in the hand.
I eventually went with the G2 partly because I liked the feature set and I thought it would be an easier camera for my wife and son to learn. If I had purchased solely for myself, I might have leaned towards the D7.
I think you would find either camera an excellent creative tool.
Gene
I recently came down to the same two cameras on my buy list. The D7 has more optical zoom and an EVF. The G2 is more compact and, IMO, feels better in the hand.
I eventually went with the G2 partly because I liked the feature set and I thought it would be an easier camera for my wife and son to learn. If I had purchased solely for myself, I might have leaned towards the D7.
I think you would find either camera an excellent creative tool.
Gene
Larry,
You are not confused.
I would say, you are not far wrong (you've got it sussed).
Mark H.
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
First, let me clarify. I am not saying the G2 is a point-and-shoot. I am saying it functions better and more like and is configured more like a point-and-shoot. It is the super duper version of a pure point-and-shoot. If I had problems taking my D7 where ever I wanted to take pictures I would consider the G2 a great 2nd camera for those shooting situations where control is wanted less or actually gets in the way.
) you have to pull back to see the LCD to make the change. On the D7, you can see the menus in the EVF and make changes to things that are in there.
I do not use the show a preview every time automatically, but only when I want one. In this mode the histogram is 2 button pushes away (1 for preview, 1 for histogram) without going in to a menu. Is that similar to how the G2 does it?
BTW, where is a PDF version of the G2 manual to be found. I have been basing all this on some online reviews and my 30 minutes of playing with a G2 in a store.
It would be nice at times to be in quick review and to bring up the histogram and then move around the most recent shots comparing. At the moment I have to button back to the full image, button to the next image, and button back to the histogram. But it is a quick 3 presses.
No matter where you turn the LCD what you see (mainly the contrast appearance of a LCD) is being affected in bright light situations. In the EVF I see pretty much the same thing no matter the light situations. An eyecup would make it always the same for there have been times when harsh light falling right on the side of my eyeball and the glare makes my eye react differently. A simple hand held against my head ( the hand is the all natural eye cup ) corrects this.
See part 1b.
Mike Roberts
I am talking about the difference between having an item externally available vs. in a menu. The G2 not only puts a some things in the menu that the D7 has on the outside. Also, because the G2 VF is not electronic, if you are using the VF on your G2 ( I know that is rare
) you have to pull back to see the LCD to make the change. On the D7, you can see the menus in the EVF and make changes to things that are in there.Not hard, but harder then being outside a menu an on an external control.
After taking a first shot a review of the histogram can key you into a need for adjusting the contrast to maximize the dynamic range of the shot. In an editor you can only deal with what you caught taking the picture. Adjusting contrast in the field gives you a chance to maximize the information captured and then you still get to adjust again in the editor if you want. I adjust contrast often. The D7 makes it very simple to do this.
Ok. Limited information.
I do not use the show a preview every time automatically, but only when I want one. In this mode the histogram is 2 button pushes away (1 for preview, 1 for histogram) without going in to a menu. Is that similar to how the G2 does it?
BTW, where is a PDF version of the G2 manual to be found. I have been basing all this on some online reviews and my 30 minutes of playing with a G2 in a store.
I guess the histogram in record might make sense if you are going through and deleting images, but I never trust that I know a good or bad iimage from that little LCD screen on a camera so I never delete shots until I am on a computer. So, IMO, a histogram is most useful when shooting which is exactly what the D7 gives you.
It would be nice at times to be in quick review and to bring up the histogram and then move around the most recent shots comparing. At the moment I have to button back to the full image, button to the next image, and button back to the histogram. But it is a quick 3 presses.
Ok. I can see that not being creative control except a tiny bit when knowing what is exactly at the edge of a shot matters.
No matter where you turn the LCD what you see (mainly the contrast appearance of a LCD) is being affected in bright light situations. In the EVF I see pretty much the same thing no matter the light situations. An eyecup would make it always the same for there have been times when harsh light falling right on the side of my eyeball and the glare makes my eye react differently. A simple hand held against my head ( the hand is the all natural eye cup
) corrects this.See part 1b.
Mike Roberts
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
Continued from Part 1a
I am a perfect example of the power of an EVF. I come from film point-and-shoot ( my only manual control was composition ) land before the D7. I understand all the aperture, shutter speed, EV compensation, etc. theory, but do not have an instinctual understanding from years of SLR experience. Yet, in a rather short period I was able to begin using the D7 full manual almost all the time.
I have never needed add-on lenses to do great macro work with the D7. See my bee. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=318325
If you back up you will find other macros taken without any add on lenses.
And just to give you a better idea of DIVUs abilities (for all images, not just RAW), in addition to the colorspace conversion there is...
DIVU lets you do color correction in the following ways:
1) tone curves and histogram
2) brightness, contrast, and color correction
3) hue, saturation, and lightness correction
4) variation corrections
DIVUs sharpness control is way better than Unsharp mask or any of the things in Photoshop, IMO. Problem is you should not do sharpening until the end.
DIVU needs some interface work, cropping, variable rotation, and then it would be redudant to use Photoshop for 99% of the edits I have had to do for my images. Then I could use the more powerful sharpening in DIVU.
G2
1.1% barrel distortion at 34mm
0.5% pincushion distortion at 102mm
D7
1.3% barrel distortion at 28mm
0.8% pincushion distortion at 200mm
Thusly, at the focal length range of the G2 the D7 probably equals or beats the G2. Anyone know how to make sure one way or the other?
It is certainly not targeted to the pure point-and-shootist market.
You can probably only state with authority that very few of the G2 owners who post to websites are using auto mode.
Mike Roberts
Most definitely. I think the EVF with live preview is a most powerful idea for how deal with exposure. I rarely use my D7 in anything, but full manual. However, the tradeoff of clarity vs. usage is at a point that certainly means some folks like an LCD or a OVF over an EVF. That will change more and more as the EVF's LCD get better.
I am a perfect example of the power of an EVF. I come from film point-and-shoot ( my only manual control was composition
) land before the D7. I understand all the aperture, shutter speed, EV compensation, etc. theory, but do not have an instinctual understanding from years of SLR experience. Yet, in a rather short period I was able to begin using the D7 full manual almost all the time.I did say 'not many'.
The 3cm difference is a 33% increase. When shooting tiny subjects, for that is what macros tend to be used for, that is a lot. And if you look at Phil's ruler shots the barrel distortion is quite evident which means it is more than 3cm for a comparable shot.
I have never needed add-on lenses to do great macro work with the D7. See my bee. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=318325
If you back up you will find other macros taken without any add on lenses.
Ok. I can agree Phil might be a bit off in left field here since some of what he is probably meaning can be done later in Photoshop, but doing these things in RAW mode is more powerful.What functionality is missing? Phil only mentions White balance,4) RAW acquire module/RAW convert doesn't have enough functionality
D7
- some might consider this a good thing for the G2 compared to the
saturation, contrast and sharpness in the Minolta software, all of
which is adjustable in the Canon RAW acquire module as well. In
addition, there is a TWAIN module that allows you to open the RAW
files in any TWAIN compatible photoediting software, including
Photoshop and Paintshot Pro. What am I missing here?
And just to give you a better idea of DIVUs abilities (for all images, not just RAW), in addition to the colorspace conversion there is...
DIVU lets you do color correction in the following ways:
1) tone curves and histogram
2) brightness, contrast, and color correction
3) hue, saturation, and lightness correction
4) variation corrections
DIVUs sharpness control is way better than Unsharp mask or any of the things in Photoshop, IMO. Problem is you should not do sharpening until the end.
DIVU needs some interface work, cropping, variable rotation, and then it would be redudant to use Photoshop for 99% of the edits I have had to do for my images. Then I could use the more powerful sharpening in DIVU.
You forgot something and Phil even points it out for you.
G2
1.1% barrel distortion at 34mm
0.5% pincushion distortion at 102mm
D7
1.3% barrel distortion at 28mm
0.8% pincushion distortion at 200mm
Thusly, at the focal length range of the G2 the D7 probably equals or beats the G2. Anyone know how to make sure one way or the other?
The point-and-shootist who wants some more control than their last camera and the prosumer/pro who wants a more point-and-shoot like camera that gives them some control.
It is certainly not targeted to the pure point-and-shootist market.
Yes.So if it looks like a duck...?It also looks like a point-and-shoot. It is a super duper
point-and-shoot since it does give a lot of control compared to a
pure point-and-shoot
I did not say having a better Auto is a liimitation. It does mean the camera can be used more point-and-shoot, by definition.
You can probably only state with authority that very few of the G2 owners who post to websites are using auto mode.
Mike Roberts
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
D7 has bulb mode to 30 seconds.
1 stop. Not been a problem for me, mostly a landscape shooter, but you are right.
D7 has EVF that sees in the dark so you can actually compose in the dark. I rarely have any issue focusing in the dark no matter the range. Tripods do help.
D7 has flip up EVF. I agree the G2 LCD screen is even more flexible. I had to learn to use the camera upside down with the EVF flipped up to take shots with camera above my head.
Standing in the same place D7 has 28mm to 200mm while the G2 has 34mm to 102mm. D7 can take a wider variety of compositions.
Standing in same light D7 has a few more things to control than the G2 such as contrast.
D7, since almost all controls are external, since the zoom is manual, can be faster getting full manual shots.
I never said anything about the significance of these differences. Just that the D7 is a more flexible system.
That depends on the type of photographer. I am sure there are more less serious photograhpers than there are more serious photographers.
Thats all I needed to show to make my conjecture true. Remember I did not say the G2 was a point-and-shoot camera, but more of one than the D7.
Then you are not understanding what I have written.
Not my goal at all.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You are reading something into those posts that is not there.
I never said it lacks for creative control. I have said the exact opposite. I have merely said the D7 has more.
Me too. Thats why I am taking the time to point out where the D7 gives the greater latitude for getting a wider variety of shots over some other cameras.
Mike Roberts
rikster74272
Leading Member
if you are not in a hurry there will be a new dimage 7i at the end of the month rumor has it with some issueds improved. It is also to be 50.00 less probably in MSRP and that may not translate into a cheaper camera at the vendor infact i think the D7 will drop slightly in price. But being the owner of a D7 i agree with mike. You should go to a store that has both or even look at the sony 707 take some CF flash and maybe borrow a beloney memory stick and take some pics and take them home and see what you have got then decide. HOlding and using one is the best way to know what you as a person like. No one else can decide for you.
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
Some things I forgot to put in 1a, 1b, and 2.
I may have this wrong, but the G2 only has -1, 0, +1 for contrast. The D7 has -3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3. Same thing for Saturation.
Phil also indicates that once contrast is changed it is not indicated anywhere so it is easy to forget about. That goes to a point I made earlier about ease of use which may affect the usage of a feature to control the captured image. Same thing for Saturation.
I wish the D7 had the stitch assist mode like the G2.
Mike Roberts
I may have this wrong, but the G2 only has -1, 0, +1 for contrast. The D7 has -3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3. Same thing for Saturation.
Phil also indicates that once contrast is changed it is not indicated anywhere so it is easy to forget about. That goes to a point I made earlier about ease of use which may affect the usage of a feature to control the captured image. Same thing for Saturation.
I wish the D7 had the stitch assist mode like the G2.
Mike Roberts
Mike Roberts
Senior Member
Well it would of been one post if Phil did not have a limit. It is not like you can actually analyze two such fine photographic instruments in a few sentences.
Hey! The G2 guy posted just as much. I just had to break it up due to keeping the embeded previous post materials and the forum limit.
Only if you start spelling it 'humor'.
Mike Roberts
Hi Mike,
If I ever get to visit the U.S. (I'd like to) I'll be sure to try to speak the language.
Until then I'm sticking to "humour" like "colour" and "chips", "biscuits", "petrol", "pavements", "trousers" etc., (luckily I don't smoke) ...and generaly having to pay too much for almost everything in the "shops"
.Cheers (Y'all have a nice day!)
Mark H.
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