24-105 and 70-200 for 30D

statement with nothing to back it up. You keep on with this nonsensical reply to anyone considering the 24-105 on a crop camera.

We get that it's not for you, but for you to insist and repeat non-stop that it does not work for "most" people is really old.

Show us your survey of "most" people where they declare that it is not wide enough or not fast enough or not sharp enough.....

I like the lens on my 30D and from what I read here and other forums so do "most" others that have them. So the "most of the people" you are referring to must only be a subset of "most of the people" so therfore it is only "some" people prefer to have a wider FOV or faster aperture.

Gene

For the record, I also feel fine with the 24-105L IS as a walkaround. I may get a 16-50 or similar lens for indoors later, but at COMPLETELY satisfied with my lens as an outdoor anything goes lens.

Just a simple fact: Canon, Tamron, Sigma or even Nikon make all their standard zoom lenses 17/18-xx for crop camera, and 24/28-xx for 35mm cameras. Go argue with them if you think this is not the fl most people want to use. What I’ve been doing is to educate new users of the fact that camera/lens company knew all along from their years experience and feedback from customers. You are free to like your 24-105 but please don’t tell everyone this is a most suitable lens for crop camera. There is no need to be defensive because I don’t really care what you use. No need to justify to me your preference of slower aperture either.

R Valentino said:

statement with nothing to back it up. You keep on with this
nonsensical reply to anyone considering the 24-105 on a crop camera.

We get that it's not for you, but for you to insist and repeat
non-stop that it does not work for "most" people is really old.

Show us your survey of "most" people where they declare that it is
not wide enough or not fast enough or not sharp enough.....

I like the lens on my 30D and from what I read here and other
forums so do "most" others that have them. So the "most of the
people" you are referring to must only be a subset of "most of the
people" so therfore it is only "some" people prefer to have a wider
FOV or faster aperture.

Gene

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nphs1985 said:

Does it make sense to have both the 24-105 and the 70-200 f/4 for
the 30D? Would you worry about wasted $$ with the overlap?

I was thinking of the 24-105 as my "walk around" lens.

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Not only does it make "sense", its downright smart, especially if you have a third wider lens. The overlap is very useful in keeping you from changing lenses too frequently.

IMHO there are no perfect combinations for a Canon crop camera. I am happy with my super wide, a Sigma 10-20mm, and I'm sure the Canon 10-22mm would be just as good or better. I love my Canon 70-300mm IS as well. The problem is the in between mid-range.

All of the various 17-18 to 50-55 f2.8's lenses lack a bit of reach on the long end. The Canon 17-85mm IS lacks quality on the wide end and its very slow. The Sigma 17-70mm is a bit faster but still slow and lacks IS.

The Canon 24-105 has great coverage, IS and image quality. I only with wish that it was roughly 17-90mm so that I could get a bit of overlap at the wide end. I have enough crop lenses and appreciate that the 24-105mm will be nearly perfect for me on a FF.

R Valentino said:

I like the lens on my 30D and from what I read here and other
forums so do "most" others that have them. So the "most of the
people" you are referring to must only be a subset of "most of the
people" so therfore it is only "some" people prefer to have a wider
FOV or faster aperture.

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Your logic is a bit flawed: OF COURSE most of the owners of the 24-105 like it. How many people here, when surveyed on a lens costing over $1K that they bought, would say they didn't like it? The 24-105/4 was designed to be the FF walkaround, and thus even sold as a kit with the 5D. Multiply that focal length by 1.6x, and it's a normal-to-tele zoom (38-170mm). Would "most" consider this a good walkaround on their 35mm camera? Get real... I'm glad you're happy with your choice, but face it, you're in the minority. Far more people are buying the 17mm-xx or 18mm-xx zooms. Case in point: before the 17-5x f/2.8 zooms became popular, the Tamron 28-75/2.8 was hugely popular here. Now what do you think happened to sales volume of that lens after the wider EF-S zooms became available? Try comparing by number of posts that lens to its 17-50/2.8 sister... Oh, and we haven't yet begun to talk about f/4 versus f/2.8...

Joe Photo Lover said:

IMHO there are no perfect combinations for a Canon crop camera. I
am happy with my super wide, a Sigma 10-20mm, and I'm sure the
Canon 10-22mm would be just as good or better. I love my Canon
70-300mm IS as well. The problem is the in between mid-range.

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The crop lineup is similar to the FF lineup at this point:
10-2x 17-40L
17-5x 24-70

50-150/2.8 70-200 (Canon will have this soon I am sure, Sigma/Tokina already do)

Joe Photo Lover said:

All of the various 17-18 to 50-55 f2.8's lenses lack a bit of reach
on the long end. The Canon 17-85mm IS lacks quality on the wide
end and its very slow. The Sigma 17-70mm is a bit faster but still
slow and lacks IS.

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Well, if the Sigma 17-70 is slow then so is the Canon 24-105.... The Sigma is faster over most of its range, actually. Plus it is longer (as compared to the 24-105 on FF).

Joe Photo Lover said:

The Canon 24-105 has great coverage, IS and image quality. I only
with wish that it was roughly 17-90mm so that I could get a bit of
overlap at the wide end. I have enough crop lenses and appreciate
that the 24-105mm will be nearly perfect for me on a FF.

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LOL - I would also wish for a 17-90 constant aperture zoom, but guess what, it's probably impossible with today's technology or there would be one. The 24-105/4 is slow, and with the 30D's small viewfinder and sensor it's more detrimental than on FF.

Mokes said:

Joe Photo Lover said:

IMHO there are no perfect combinations for a Canon crop camera. I
am happy with my super wide, a Sigma 10-20mm, and I'm sure the
Canon 10-22mm would be just as good or better. I love my Canon
70-300mm IS as well. The problem is the in between mid-range.

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The crop lineup is similar to the FF lineup at this point:
10-2x 17-40L
17-5x 24-70

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True but this is four lenses instead of three and the 24-70 is quite bulky.

Mokes said:

Mokes said:

All of the various 17-18 to 50-55 f2.8's lenses lack a bit of reach
on the long end. The Canon 17-85mm IS lacks quality on the wide
end and its very slow. The Sigma 17-70mm is a bit faster but still
slow and lacks IS.

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Mokes said:

Well, if the Sigma 17-70 is slow then so is the Canon 24-105....
The Sigma is faster over most of its range, actually.

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Yes but the Sigma is only faster at the wide end and quickly becomes f4 when you zoom. At least the Canon has IS which makes it far more useful except for action photograpy. When the Sigma is at f2.8 it is too wide for many action applications. Neither lens is ideal for action but the Sigma is slightly better.

Plus it is longer (as compared to the 24-105 on FF).

Yes 112mm compared to 105mm but the point is moot. The Canon is longer on a 30D, the Sigma is useless on a FF camera.

Mokes said:

Mokes said:

The Canon 24-105 has great coverage, IS and image quality. I only
with wish that it was roughly 17-90mm so that I could get a bit of
overlap at the wide end. I have enough crop lenses and appreciate
that the 24-105mm will be nearly perfect for me on a FF.

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Mokes said:

LOL - I would also wish for a 17-90 constant aperture zoom, but
guess what, it's probably impossible with today's technology or
there would be one. The 24-105/4 is slow, and with the 30D's small
viewfinder and sensor it's more detrimental than on FF.

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We do have the 17-85mm without constant aperture. If only Canon would improve its wide performance and CA problems, I could live with its slowness. At this point the lens you and I both want would be even bigger and heavier than the 24-70mm f2.8 which is already a load.