Interesting article on the NY Times site

I've watched two woman go from members and regular posters on the
2peas site, which is first and foremost a scrapbooking site, to
full-fledged professional photographers. Here they are:

http://www.alwphotography.com/
http://www.tarawhitney.com/
Those are GREAT i thought! Looked DxO Optics-ixed :-)
They are a perfect example of lifestyle portraiture that people are
lining up for these days.
and I can see why.
You could argue, though I'm not sure
they would agree, that they started out as MWACs.
I'm curious, why do you think they would not agree? You said you met them on the scrapbooking site...were they MWAC's or not? Were they SAHM's? or did they go to school to study photography? I ask because I also am skeptical that simply a person (male or female) can just take a good camera and really run a successful business. Even a person who has photographed for many years and knows everything about photography may not have the skills to run a business. The article seemed like pure fantasy aimed at...well..women with camera's that may be thinking of doing it for a living. It talked about the possibilities, and then the struggles...neither of which were realistic. But as you noted earlier, it was a fluff piece.
 
I know one of the mom's interviewed for this article and she is not happy with it. Here is a link to her blog http://www.jottephotography.typepad.com ....And, as a professional photographer, I'm not too keen on it either. I'm not a "mom with a camera". I'm a professional photographer who makes a very good living at my CAREER...NOT a hobby.
Rudland
 
Silly me...I did not read everyone else's posts until after I posted my first post! ehehehe...yes, publicity is good, but when it's not portrayed in the context it was suppose to or implied it was going to be, it's not good on a personal level.
Rudland
 
I know one of the mom's interviewed for this article and she is not
happy with it. Here is a link to her blog
http://www.jottephotography.typepad.com ....And, as a
professional photographer, I'm not too keen on it either. I'm not
a "mom with a camera". I'm a professional photographer who makes a
very good living at my CAREER...NOT a hobby.
Rudland
That was supposed to say "I know of one of the mom's"
Rudland
 
I know one of the mom's interviewed for this article and she is not
happy with it. Here is a link to her blog
http://www.jottephotography.typepad.com ....And, as a
professional photographer, I'm not too keen on it either. I'm not
a "mom with a camera". I'm a professional photographer who makes a
very good living at my CAREER...NOT a hobby.
Rudland
I know you later ammended the above to recognize the fact that Jodie Otte had responded earlier. In keeping with contributions to this discussion by Ms. Otte and several others who were quoted/interviewed or knew someone who was, it seems the consensus thus far is that the article was condescending towards it's subjects. That's a shame, because I've seen some fine imagery by the women included.

Leaves one to wonder what would lead a woman author at the NYT to allow her female subjects to feel such a condescending POV from what was written. Did any of you contributors get an inkling of this during the interview process? Frankly, I even felt the lead photo to have a somewhat negative editorial bent, simply because the position of the shooter seemed uncomfortable or awkward, which impacts how the entire package is perceived.
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The reporter was VERY kind and polite on the phone but she kept asking me questions that I didn't understand why she needed to know. One question was about what I do to get business because she knew some people did portrait parties. I said - uh, no way, I would never do a portrait party - I don't feel that portrait party is something that would promote my business to the higher clientelle. I did tell her that word of mouth is huge for me. That is basically what gets most of my business. People like what they see and tell others. I did say that I have my pro lab print referral cards with the customer's child on them and my logo, so they can hand them out to their friends. (I did not say I print business cards - as if I was doing it from my home printer...)

She asked me what my kids' ages were and what their names and birthdates were (she said in case she uses their names and if the story gets bumped, she wants to quote their correct ages) - well, because my kids are older I'm sure that is one reason she didn't mention them! lololol! :)

What really bothered me then but especially now is she wanted to know what my husband does for a living. That, now looking back on things, was her trying to see if he had a decent job and that she could classify me as bored housewife living off of my husband's income, and me just doing this on the side. That really threw me because I was very clear to her that I am full time and have my own studio and that my kids really don't have anything to do with my business.

I went into this (forwarned by another photographer), knowing that there was a MWAC slant but that the other photographer tried to tell her the REAL TRUTH of the hard work and dedication there is to make a REAL business, and then she gave her my name because I had taken things a step further - I have a studio, I have steady business, I make really nice money with it.

So I was aware that there would be a MWAC slant but I was confident after the interview that she would not classify me as such because I told her my overhead, my startup costs, etc. We talked all about my studio, how cool it is that it is in a historic building in a trendy location, and it is just the perfect setup for me... etc.

So that's what the interview was like. The reporter was very nice but... she had her own agenda, most definitely.
 
FYI, The character was Phileas Fogg

http://www.jules-verne.co.uk/around-the-world-in-80-days/

Personally I recalled this from the 1988 BBC doc. where Michael Palin from Monty Python fame (and A fish called Wanda movie) traveled around the world in an 80 day race against the fictional character. The Michael Pailn travel docs were all so very well done and funny too.
...only it's Phineas Fogg, isn't it? Phinnn not Philll.
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Ellen Z
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visit my photo gallery of images from my 10D

http://phileas.fotopic.net/c258181.html
 
Maybe I'm just from a younger generation that to us this is
painfully obvious.
You may be right that it's easier for youngun's to see, but I felt compelled to point out that I feel the same and I'm 57 and male.

I'd be kidding myself if I thought I wasn't sexist now and then, but my wife and I have always thought of our marriage as an equal partnership. It's worked for 37 years!

Doug
 
I'll have to stop in sometime soon and say "Hello" in person! I'd love to see some of your prints.

BTW there isn't much difference between a dressage horse and a "normal" horse - they're both wonderful and great for the soul - dressage will just cost you a bit more and allow you to be perpetually frustrated!
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Michael
 
“Plus, women face a business dilemma when they have to ask their husbands if they can buy a new camera.”

LOL Now thats a new one. I know every guy here who has a woman gets "the look" whenever UPS drops a new box off at the door w/ a new lens, camera flash etc. LOL

I agree with many here it seams like the author was trying too hard to show than women can be photographers too.
Hover it is interesting none the less.

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Over 250K DSLR actions and counting
Remember: Too much Measurbating will make you go blind! :-p
 
LOL Now thats a new one. I know every guy here who has a woman
gets "the look" whenever UPS drops a new box off at the door w/ a
new lens, camera flash etc. LOL
Remember: Too much Measurbating will make you go blind! :-p
For a while, my wife's step sister was our UPS delivery person. Every time she brought me a package, she'd ask "What did you order this time?" or "Does Deb know you're ordering all this cr@p?" I'd tell her to mind her own business and go back to running over dogs.

Luckily, it was all in jest. That's not to say I haven't gotten "The Look" on occasion.

Doug
 
Have you thought about writiing a letter to the editor regarding the article? Have you contacted the reporter?
Rudland
 
Damn that sucks, you couldnt even sneek a lens past her than :) LOL

I just find it funney. Usualy we have our women (wifes, girlfriends, moms etc) complain we are waisting money on toys. Well ture sometimes they often do not appreciate the workmanship of a nice Lens, what a new DSLR can do, why we need 5 different tripods (ok, I agree here, but its the point LOL)
Anyway have a god one
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K10D+LBA=no$$$ but happy
Over 250K DSLR actions and counting
Remember: Too much Measurbating will make you go blind! :-p
 
By gum, you're right, or largely right. I should've trusted a man to know how to spell his own name. If you Google both ways, it's Phileas: Phineas 323,000 to 24,500. I learned it as Phineas and I guess 24,499 others did too. It must be that editions varied.
http://www.jules-verne.co.uk/around-the-world-in-80-days/

Personally I recalled this from the 1988 BBC doc. where Michael
Palin from Monty Python fame (and A fish called Wanda movie)
traveled around the world in an 80 day race against the fictional
character. The Michael Pailn travel docs were all so very well done
and funny too.
...only it's Phineas Fogg, isn't it? Phinnn not Philll.
--
Ellen Z
--
visit my photo gallery of images from my 10D

http://phileas.fotopic.net/c258181.html
--
Ellen Z
 
Phileas Fogg is just my handle. As I said I have enjoyed the BBC Michael Palin travel docs and the first one he did back in 1988 was based on the Phileas Fogg journey around the world in 80 days, so I thought it might be a cool handle at a place like this. :-)

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visit my photo gallery of images from my 10D

http://phileas.fotopic.net/c258181.html
 

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