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Do you remember hunt for Canon G5, when G6 was released?

Do you see growing cult of the Sony F-828, and its siblings, particularly Olympus 8080?

I did some hoping over forums in present months. The most recent cult cameras are:

• Fujifilm F-30
• Sony R-1
• Olympus E-330

I do not find any cults growing around DSLR cameras.

...the E-330 was a DSLR.

But, how is this News?

Diopter said:

Do you remember hunt for Canon G5, when G6 was released?
Do you see growing cult of the Sony F-828, and its siblings,
particularly Olympus 8080?
I did some hoping over forums in present months. The most recent
cult cameras are:

• Fujifilm F-30
• Sony R-1
• Olympus E-330

I do not find any cults growing around DSLR cameras.

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I'd consider the Olympus E1 something of a cult camera as well.
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Well the F31fd still preserves that tradition. I think you may be right, though, and the quality will go down once Fuji comes out with the next Fuji f50 that bumps up the number of megapixels.

I believe the Canon Pro1 qualifies as a cult camera since it also had the 2/3 sensor and a 7x, "L" glass lens.

Diopter said:

Do you remember hunt for Canon G5, when G6 was released?
Do you see growing cult of the Sony F-828, and its siblings,
particularly Olympus 8080?
I did some hoping over forums in present months. The most recent
cult cameras are:

• Fujifilm F-30
• Sony R-1
• Olympus E-330

I do not find any cults growing around DSLR cameras.

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'We don't make a photograph with a camera; we bring to the act of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen, the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams

Sony R1
Canon Pro1
Casio Z750
Nikon 3100

Thank you for the correction. Scientifically speaking, the dolphin is a mammal. So what?
E-330 is still widely available, but its fan doubt about further updates.

Accordingly to the page at this site, Pro-1 is not discontinued.

2004 was a turning point on the market. By the end of the year, CCD based cameras got status of the cheap products for rewarding consumer with limited demands .

Diopter said:

Accordingly to the page at this site, Pro-1 is not discontinued.

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The Pro-1 is discontinued, the pages here do not keep up. Do you think the 1Ds, 1DII, G6, S1IS, S2IS, S60, S70, S80, etc are all current?

Which reminds me, the S60 and S70 have a bit of a following.

Diopter said:

2004 was a turning point on the market. By the end of the year, CCD
based cameras got status of the cheap products for rewarding
consumer with limited demands .

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I'm not sure what you mean. Most current digital cameras use a CCD sensor. DSLRs are split -- some are CMOS, others are CCD.

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Diopter said:

Thank you for the correction. Scientifically speaking, the dolphin
is a mammal. So what?
E-330 is still widely available, but its fan doubt about further
updates.

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A dolphin IS a mammal, but its only association with digital photography is that it's fun to photograph.

E-330:

Digital check
Single Lens check
Reflex check

You're the one that started calling it a cult camera...

My guess is that Olympus has the most cult cameras. They seem to produce some real beauties evey now and again.

The ones that stand out the most in my mind:

C-2100 uzi
C-5050
C-7070
C-8080

DSLR:

E-330
E-1

1. Sometimes I browse sites of French, German , and Russian retailers. Some models not available in the US anymore are still popular elsewhere. So, I am very careful with the statements about "discontinuation".

2. I am confused too. I do not know about a DSLR using CCD chip. Sony's R-1 is the only camera with modified CMOS sensor and fixed lens. Olympus E-330 is a completely different and unique story.

3. CCD based cameras dominate the market in the number of released models, and - maybe - in sales volume, but not in high standards. There is no CCD cameras now, which would be comparable with Pro-1, F828 or C8080.

There is always some tensions between scientists and the believers in common sense.

I must admit, that hopping over the forums is not the most productive using of the time, but yes, Olympus, and Sony forums are pretty clear in spontaneous creating of the cult cameras.

WTF are you talking about?

Diopter said:

There is always some tensions between scientists and the believers
in common sense.

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Diopter said:

1. Sometimes I browse sites of French, German , and Russian
retailers. Some models not available in the US anymore are still
popular elsewhere. So, I am very careful with the statements about
"discontinuation".

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I'm sure there must be one on a dusty shelf somewhere. That doesn't mean they are current.

Diopter said:

2. I am confused too. I do not know about a DSLR using CCD chip.

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I'm sure somebody will correct me, but...

non-CCD DSLRs:
Canon is all CMOS (last CCD Canon was the 1D)
Nikon D2Xs (CMOS), D2Hs, D2H (JFET)
Leica Digilux 3 (NMOS)
Oly E330, upcoming E410 and E510 (all NMOS)
Panasonic L1 (NMOS)
Sigma SD14, SD10, SD9 (CMOS)

Everything else (all other Nikon, K-M, Pentax, Samsung, Sony) are CCD.

Diopter said:

Sony's R-1 is the only camera with modified CMOS sensor and fixed
lens. Olympus E-330 is a completely different and unique story.

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How is the R1's sensor "modified"? It's a CMOS sensor, period. The upcoming Sigma DP1 is fixed lens and CMOS.

Diopter said:

3. CCD based cameras dominate the market in the number of released
models, and - maybe - in sales volume, but not in high standards.

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So the Nikon D40, D40x, D80 and D200 don't meet high standards? How about the Pentax K110D, K100D and K10D? Sony A100? Olympus E1, E300, E400, E500? Fuji S5 Pro?

CMOS was know for low-quality output until Canon came out with the D30 (and that's not a typo, the D30 is a 3mp DSLR that came out at the turn of the century...).

Diopter said:

There is no CCD cameras now, which would be comparable with Pro-1,
F828 or C8080.

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There are no more 2/3" sensor cameras, so in that sense you are correct. However there are 1/1.8" cameras, which is slightly smaller than 2/3", and there are 4/3" and APS-C, which are quite a bit larger than 2/3", and they are available with high quality CCD sensors.

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Diopter said:

There is always some tensions between scientists and the believers
in common sense.

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Huh, those with common sense have tension with those who have common sense?

Sure, you beat me in precision. But I still believe, that relabeled Minolta box or D40 is a vehicle for selling more lenses, not more camera.. Until now,the main advantage of the CCD is live preview and following it articulated LCD. Any efforts to create a quality camera with these capacities had been suspended right after Pro-1 and F-828, . This policy created a new space for a new breed of the "cult" cameras.

is uning the term 'cult camera' in a very specific way to prove a point no one else understands. I know I don't understand his point.
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Does it need to be becoming extinct to be a cult camera. Otherwise the Ricoh GRD is certainly considered a cult camera by its followers.

Brian

I'm not sure he does.

Rick

Glen Barrington said:

is uning the term 'cult camera' in a very specific way to prove a
point no one else understands. I know I don't understand his point.
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Never trust a man who spells the word 'cheese' with a 'z'

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Diopter said:

Sure, you beat me in precision.

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Um, by noting that many DSLRs are CCD?

Diopter said:

But I still believe, that
relabeled Minolta box or D40 is a vehicle for selling more lenses,
not more camera..

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The D40 is a camera, and is quite capable. The D40x, D80 and D200 even moreso. All CCD.

Diopter said:

Until now,the main advantage of the CCD is live
preview and following it articulated LCD.

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Neither of these things have anything to do with CCD vs CMOS. The R1 had live preview and articulating screen and a CMOS sensor. Your beloved E-330 has live preview and articulating screen and both NMOS (image capture and "B" mode live view) and CCD ("A" mode live view) sensors.

CMOS has advantages to CCD when used with live preview (like, you don't need to readout everything).

Diopter said:

Any efforts to create a
quality camera with these capacities had been suspended right after
Pro-1 and F-828, . This policy created a new space for a new breed
of the "cult" cameras.

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The R1 was introduced after the F-828. There is no "policy". Camera makers are businesses, they follow the market. If there is money to be made, somebody will fill the void.

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