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If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)--The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
I thought you wanted the 1D???

My friend just ordered a 1D from Canoga, and it will be here
on Wednesday... I'm going to take my 28-70L, 100-400L IS
and 1gig microdrive and shoot off a few hundred shots :)

I think this will be the end of my cash flow.
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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--Regards, Matt http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=386029 http://www.pbase.com/mattjkphoto/root http://www.wherearethetoonsnow.com/
 
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
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You know, I could have sworn that AF worked better after the firmware update, but I also knew that my opinion was tainted by what I've read on here.

I'm going to go to the dealer when the D60 is available, put my D30 next to it, and see if something happens. Like the D60 teaches the D30 how to AF.

Oh yes - "hahaha".

:)--jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net
 
Matt Kim said:
I thought you wanted the 1D???
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I'd love it at $2999 MSRP. I wouldn't even demand a discount of MSRP. ;)

I'm not sure what I'm gonna do just yet. Maybe nothing. Maybe get a D-60, try it out, and just SEE if it really seems worth the upgrade. If I sell it within a month (before the Nikon's hit), I shouldn't lose TOO much if I decide I don't like it.
Member said:
My friend just ordered a 1D from Canoga, and it will be here
on Wednesday... I'm going to take my 28-70L, 100-400L IS
and 1gig microdrive and shoot off a few hundred shots :)

I think this will be the end of my cash flow.
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Don't do it! LOL. That's the worst thing you can do. Try something you know you'll want, but don't want to afford. ;)

--The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.netPhotography -- just another word for compromise
 
No heheheheh required. Just funny... Hope it works!! john
j@sun said:
I'm going to go to the dealer when the D60 is available, put my D30
next to it, and see if something happens. Like the D60 teaches the
D30 how to AF.

Oh yes - "hahaha".
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Man, it is FAST!!!, but the banding is really a problem.

The camera came with the 1.2 fw already installed.

http://image.pbase.com/u7/mattjkphoto/upload/1260245.44bb0081.jpg

File Name
44BB0081.JPG
Camera Model Name
Canon EOS-1D
Shooting Date/Time
1/22/01 10:44:15 PM
Shooting Mode
Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/800
Av( Aperture Value )
10
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
200
Lens
28.0 - 70.0 mm
Focal Length
70.0 mm
Image Size
2464x1648
Image Quality
Fine
Flash
Off
White Balance
Auto
AF Mode
One-Shot AF
Parameters
Tone Curve Standard
Sharpness level Off
Pattern sharpness Standard
File Size
3304KB
Serial Number
100-0081
Custom Function Settings
00:Focusing Screen
1:[L] Ec-A,B,C,CII,CIII,D,H,I,L
01:Finder display during exposure
0:No viewfinder display
02:Shutter release without CF card
0:Possible without CF card
03:ISO speed expansion
0:Standard ISO
04:Shutter button/AE lock button
1:AE lock/AF
05:Manual Tv/Av set. for M exp.
0:Tv value: Main dial, Av value:Quick Control Dial
06:Exposure level increments
0:1/3-stop set, 1/3-stop comp.
07:USM lens electronic MF
0:Turns on after One-Shot AF
08:Top LCD panel/Back LCD panel
0:Remain. shots/File No.
09:Auto bracketing sequence/cancel
0:0,-,+ Auto cancellation
10:AF point illumination
0:On
11:AF point selection method
0:AF frame button + main () Quick Control (up down) dial operation
12:Mirror lockup
0:Disable
13:Number AF points/Spot metering
0:45/Center AF point
14:Auto reduction of fill flash
0:Enable
15:Shutter curtain synchronization
0:1st-curtain synchronization
16:Safety shift in Av or Tv
0:Disable
17:AF point activation area
0:Single AF point
18:Switch to registered AF point
0:Assist button + AF point selection button
19:Lens AF stop button function
0:AF stop
20:AI SERVO tracking sensitivity
0:Standard
Drive Mode
Single-frame shooting
Owner's Name
Camera Body No.
005195

--Regards, Matt http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=386029 http://www.pbase.com/mattjkphoto/root http://www.wherearethetoonsnow.com/
 
I'll be a rabbit here;

I just sold the D30, and ordered the D60, they actually said it could be here within a week or two! I'll wait and see.

I really wanted the firmware upgrade to improve the autofocus, so I conducted a (IMO) very controlled set of preocedures for pre- and post- shots, but I have to report that the firmware upgrade had zero % influence on my D30s AF. I mainly tested for low-light AF without any camera/flash strobe to help out. I was not looking at AI-servo at all.
I can repeat the tests any day, and will do so when the D60 arrives...
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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--Magne
 
I think thats look god.
Have you print it ?
Do you se the banding in prints.
Best regards
O.Olsson
Matt Kim said:
Man, it is FAST!!!, but the banding is really a problem.

The camera came with the 1.2 fw already installed.

http://image.pbase.com/u7/mattjkphoto/upload/1260245.44bb0081.jpg

File Name
44BB0081.JPG
Camera Model Name
Canon EOS-1D
Shooting Date/Time
1/22/01 10:44:15 PM
Shooting Mode
Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed )
1/800
Av( Aperture Value )
10
Metering Mode
Evaluative
Exposure Compensation
0
ISO Speed
200
Lens
28.0 - 70.0 mm
Focal Length
70.0 mm
Image Size
2464x1648
Image Quality
Fine
Flash
Off
White Balance
Auto
AF Mode
One-Shot AF
Parameters
Tone Curve Standard
Sharpness level Off
Pattern sharpness Standard
File Size
3304KB
Serial Number
100-0081
Custom Function Settings
00:Focusing Screen
1:[L] Ec-A,B,C,CII,CIII,D,H,I,L
01:Finder display during exposure
0:No viewfinder display
02:Shutter release without CF card
0:Possible without CF card
03:ISO speed expansion
0:Standard ISO
04:Shutter button/AE lock button
1:AE lock/AF
05:Manual Tv/Av set. for M exp.
0:Tv value: Main dial, Av value:Quick Control Dial
06:Exposure level increments
0:1/3-stop set, 1/3-stop comp.
07:USM lens electronic MF
0:Turns on after One-Shot AF
08:Top LCD panel/Back LCD panel
0:Remain. shots/File No.
09:Auto bracketing sequence/cancel
0:0,-,+ Auto cancellation
10:AF point illumination
0:On
11:AF point selection method
0:AF frame button + main () Quick Control (up down) dial operation
12:Mirror lockup
0:Disable
13:Number AF points/Spot metering
0:45/Center AF point
14:Auto reduction of fill flash
0:Enable
15:Shutter curtain synchronization
0:1st-curtain synchronization
16:Safety shift in Av or Tv
0:Disable
17:AF point activation area
0:Single AF point
18:Switch to registered AF point
0:Assist button + AF point selection button
19:Lens AF stop button function
0:AF stop
20:AI SERVO tracking sensitivity
0:Standard
Drive Mode
Single-frame shooting
Owner's Name
Camera Body No.
005195

--
Regards,
Matt

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=386029
http://www.pbase.com/mattjkphoto/root
http://www.wherearethetoonsnow.com/
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--O.Olsson
 
A week or two? Man, I'd better haul butt and sell my D30 then before the bottom drops out of the market!
Magne Nilsen said:
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
--
Magne
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Once you've worked with a 1D (A REAL camera) there is NO way you will live with anything else. The autofocus speed is captivating, and the build quality and feature set is icing on the cake. Enjoy.....
Matt Kim said:
My friend just ordered a 1D from Canoga, and it will be here
on Wednesday... I'm going to take my 28-70L, 100-400L IS
and 1gig microdrive and shoot off a few hundred shots :)

I think this will be the end of my cash flow.
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
--
Regards,
Matt

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=386029
http://www.pbase.com/mattjkphoto/root
http://www.wherearethetoonsnow.com/
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Magne Nilsen said:
I'll be a rabbit here;
I just sold the D30, and ordered the D60, they actually said it
could be here within a week or two! I'll wait and see.
I really wanted the firmware upgrade to improve the autofocus, so I
conducted a (IMO) very controlled set of preocedures for pre- and
post- shots, but I have to report that the firmware upgrade had
zero % influence on my D30s AF. I mainly tested for low-light AF
without any camera/flash strobe to help out. I was not looking at
AI-servo at all.
I can repeat the tests any day, and will do so when the D60 arrives...
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Magne,

I thought you were going to get a Fuji S2?
Magne Nilsen said:
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
--
Magne
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Anthony said:
Michael Martin said:
Matt Kim said:
Man, it is FAST!!!, but the banding is really a problem.
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If the banding is so bad why are you buying one then?
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Michael:

Maybe he's buying for the same reason you did.
He loves everything else about the camera, and can live with the
banding!

You remind me of an "over-protective mom"

Put the shotgun away!!
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Anthony,
I don't always agree with your opinions, but I enjoy reading your posts.

I'll try to be less protective. When I get a chance I'll email you a surfing shot I did last week with my 1D.
 
David

Glad to see you gave up the D60 babble and focusing on the true meaning of photography again. Now if others here would just follow your example and stop going on about D30, D60, 1D, D100, S2, X3....blah blah blah and go shoot some photo's. Nice idea of you to post some ideas of things to shoot.

Nicholas
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
 
what the f.....this posts went into the wrong thread......how did that happen....

Nicholas
Nicholas J said:
Glad to see you gave up the D60 babble and focusing on the true
meaning of photography again. Now if others here would just follow
your example and stop going on about D30, D60, 1D, D100, S2,
X3....blah blah blah and go shoot some photo's. Nice idea of you to
post some ideas of things to shoot.

Nicholas
DavidP said:
If firmware upgrades to the D-30 can make so many people suddenly
have better autofocusing cameras, I just KNOW that we'll have loads
of people reporting better AF from the D-60.

Assuming somebody actually upgrades, that is. ;)
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
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One piece of advice for anyone who is not sure: Unless you are planning to buy a 1D, don't try one out at your local store!!

I made that mistake a few weeks ago, my D30 went on e-bay that night. I am waiting for my 1D to be delivered as we speak.

-John
 
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