Enquiring minds want to know... [OT?]

rander3127 said:

DR is a contentious issue with various camera makes. Some say the
Olympus cameras "blow out" detail too soon, that they don't have
the upper exposure range latitude that the 1.5 cameras do. This is
probably true, but it takes an extreme situation to render a shot
completely unusable.

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It is complete and utter rubbish in my opinion, and I have extensive experience of raw processing all three main sensor sizes.

Although I'm talking ISO 100/200 here, I have no idea what happens at high ISOs, because I don't use them (except on the 5D, which is fine at 400, which is what it is for).
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This thread has made it to #2 in the "TOP THREADS" on the main page and it has remained very civil and has provided a lot of useful information. I may even kick up my ISO settings when warranted.
Thanks to all for the well balanced input.
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quite enough photos of those places already?

I'm always amazed at tourists trolling round in places, taking the same shots that are in the guide book, only not as good
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Bootstrap said:

My question is, how many of us really "need" ISO 1600 or 3200 when
shooting in "real life?"

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Indoor shots:
Any average joe can take a face flash blast shot and get red eye.

If you want a more natural light style shot you will have to light the room with boosted flash and ISO 1600.

If you end up with lower ISO dark images then noise will become apparent the moment you boost brightness in processing. In comparison every high ISO well exposed shot will be superior regardless of what brand you use.

A DSLR is designed for this use so to remove hight ISO performance is to cripple it and lose market share.

Noise free will always sell because desired immediate results save processing time.
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And done handheld (stabilized) at 1/200 sec flash sync.
Without NOISE FREE high ISO great shots ARE IMPOSSIBLE !!!
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..and the right tools for the job.. ;-)
Sophie.

Inigo Montoya said:

The one with the skills to capture "very important" content.

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Ssshhh!!!... You're revealing the Big Secret that keeps the entire amateur photo industry alive! What would happen to the camera manufacturers without the millions of tourists re-shooting bad versions of postcards?
Sophie.

Louis_Dobson said:

quite enough photos of those places already?

I'm always amazed at tourists trolling round in places, taking the
same shots that are in the guide book, only not as good
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam

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Louis_Dobson said:

Louis_Dobson said:

DR is a contentious issue with various camera makes. Some say the
Olympus cameras "blow out" detail too soon, that they don't have
the upper exposure range latitude that the 1.5 cameras do. This is
probably true, but it takes an extreme situation to render a shot
completely unusable.

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It is complete and utter rubbish in my opinion, and I have
extensive experience of raw processing all three main sensor sizes.

Although I'm talking ISO 100/200 here, I have no idea what happens
at high ISOs, because I don't use them (except on the 5D, which is
fine at 400, which is what it is for).
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam

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--You could be right; or not. Amateur Photography magazine (British) said the E-400 lacked top end dynamic range, but had more on the low end than the 1.5 cameras. I think it is possible, after all the Fuji S-series do have wider dyanamic range than the 1.5 CCD and CMOS cameras.
-Rich
Olympus E-1 and lots of lenses
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Boots it's not a matter of how offen we use it. If Oly offered good hi ISO images we WOULD use it, & use it a lot.

Canon have set a ISO benchmark so far no other maufacture has been able to do better.

Oly set a benchmark with the E1 and seem to have for who knows what reasons walked away from it.

The pros have had to walk away too. In the real world the E1 is just not good enough.

Even at the very keen user end the Olypmus range has little to offer, unless the buyer understands the advantages of the built for digital system & the duster!

When McNaught was around I should have borrowed a canon I had to settle for very poor quality images because the kodak sensor just is not up to any work over 400 ISO in very low light. I missed the shots of a life time.

Or if I had outlayed around AU$1000 I could have bought a canon dslr kit & had those shots!

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When the light goes I get out the flash (bounce seems to be my favourite mode for it), when flash would be wrong I get the Leica or E-20 out and hold it still etc etc.

I keep all my cameras at 80 or 100 ISO, mostly because I grew up with that sort of speed for B&W and so can cope with all the side issues. I guess I have no problems with noise but like the graininess it gives at times. A sort of "realistic" feel to the pictures - not that I take that sort of picture... But others do and that's where I see and like it.

Regards, David

(1) Maybe these tourists would rather take their own than purchase the postcards/guidebooks? I know I would rather show off my own shots than put postcards in my album from a recent vacation.

(2) You are assuming that the pictures these "amateurs" take are that much worse than the ones in the guide books. For the most part that is probably true, but not necessarily for everyone.
Steve