Nikkon Lense prices vs. Canon Lense prices

I called Canon support. They consider a lens damaged by water to be
abused, and not under warranty.
Well, not sure about the question you have asked them. Canon Germany repaired one of our 17-40/4L lenses with rain damage free of charge / under warranty - for sure this would not apply to dropping a lens into water as this would certainly exceed the definition of weather resistance. I have the 70-200/2.8L IS and the manual does not state to avoid exposing the lens to drops of water as the 70-200VR manual does. I did not doubt at all that the 70-200VR is well built - my impression is it is and I like the lens a lot, just Nikon avoids any statements that could support warranty claims and this is unfortunate given the price tags of the "pro" lenses.

Cheers,
Uwe
 
My Nikkor definitely has a rubber gasket up by the filter threads,
and has what looks like rubber gaskets under the zoom and focus
rings ...
Am I the only one who thinks it looks like the Nikon's 12-24 is
better sealed against dust than is its 17-55?
Surprising statement to me. Why do you think 12-24 is better sealed
against dust than the 17-55?.
I'm not willing to say it is better sealed; only that it looks like
it might be. The reason I wonder is not from any harsh-weather
hardships either has been put through (
Rather, it's because of how the zooming mechanisms on the two
lenses appears to differ. On the 12-24, the maximum extension
over its neutral position is only 3mm; on the 17-55, it's 20mm. The
clincher (if there is one) is that there seems to be a good bit wider
margin between the zoom portion and the fixed barrel on the 17-55
compared to the much slimmer gap on the 12-24. That's all I was
thinking. Doesn't it seem there's a much broader--and longer--gap
on the 17-55?
I have successfully been using the 17-55 as my foul weather lens
and avoiding to use my 12-24 when I can't avoid to get it and the
camera wet.
I try to avoid either getting too much spray. The 12-24 doesn't have
a deep enough lens hood to protect its front element from incoming
raindrops or snowflakes, especially compared to the 17-55's deep
hood. Another tank-like lens with a nicely rain-protective hood is
the new 105/2.8 VR.

Oh my, I just noticed something. The little rubber gasket on the 17-55,
the one about which Nikon says:

Lens mount fitted with rubber ring that is resistant
to dust and drops of water

which is also present on the 105VR, and even on the 70-300VR and
the 18-200VR, is absent on the 12-24. I wonder why that would be?
I also wonder how much that little mount-sleeve contribute to a lens's
resistance to dust and water drops compared with other build-quality
factors. I'm rather surprised the 12-24 lacks it, considering how it has
a gold ring just like the 105VR and 17-55, but which the 18-200VR and
70-300VR lack. Then again, the 10.5 has a gold ring but no rubber sleeve.
How odd! How does one really assess build quality? Full-metal jacket?
Of the lenses mentioned above, only the 17-55 clearly has one of those.
I think the 105VR may have a polycarbonate casing, although I'm not
complete certain. It does look nicely "sealed", since the front element
doesn't move at all. I don't know what Nikon uses to garland a lens
with its prestigious gold ring; we have two gold-ring lenses without a
rubber gasket, and two gold-ring lenses that lack it. I'm pretty sure the
18-70, not a gold-ring lens, is also gasketed.

--tom
 
it's interesting this thread comes up because I just started looking at Canon options (now that I think I know what I want if I go Nikon). Here's what I've come up with (all B&H prices):

Fisheyes
$590 10.5mm f/2.8G ED AF DX Fisheye (nikkor)
$580 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye EF (canon)

$910 12-24mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S DX Zoom (nikkor)
$690 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM EF-S (canon)

$1500 17-35mm f/2.8D ED-IF AF-S Zoom (nikkor)
$1370 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM EF (canon)

$1435 28-70mm f/2.8D ED-IF AF-S Zoom (nikkor)
$1140 24-70mm f/2.8L USM EF (canon)

$1200 17-55mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S DX Zoom (nikkor)
$1000 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM EF-S (canon)

$1590 70-200mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Zoom (nikkor)
$1700 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM EF (canon)

$320 35mm f/2D AF (nikkor)
$230 35mm f/2 EF (canon)

$285 50mm f/1.4D AF (nikkor)
$310 50mm f/1.4 USM EF (canon)

$400 85mm f/1.8D AF (nikkor)
$340 85mm f/1.8 USM EF (canon)

$400 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro (nikkor)
$385 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM EF-S (canon)

note DX=EF-S, AF-S=USM, VR=IS in Nikon/Canon

check out this crazy spreadsheet I made!

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pm4w5UsXjUQ6-CCdXWXHEaA

Depending on which lenses you're looking to buy, you could save a lot of cash by going with Canon. Very rare is the instance where Nikon is less expensive. The lens warranty is the kicker I think.

What's compelling me at the moment is that no matter how I slice it, going with Canon will save me anywhere from $500 - $700. eg - I could get either one of these setups for the same money:

D80 + 28-70/2.8
400D + 17-55/2.8 + 35/2 + 50/1.8 + 85/1.8
 
If you are trying to imply that Canon lenses are cheaply made or do not use the same materials then I have news for you. Nikon and Canon both use the same amounts of plastic and composites. Both lens lines are very nice and the high end Nikon and Canon lenses are very similar. Some Nikon makes better, some Canon makes better. Are you talking from a place of experience or ignorance? I challenge you to show me where there is a day and night difference between Canon L lenses and Nikon high end, specifically the super telephotos.
I just noticed how much more expensive Nikkon lenses are than the
Canon one's. I was checking on a price for my brother's 30D and
started noticing. The 70-200 VR version of Canon is about $500
less. Has it always been that way? Why is Nikon so much more??
Not gripping, just didn't realize this until now. Is Nikon better
made or something? I hope that's the case. I did feel like my
D200 was much more robust than my brothers 30D. I've not picked up
any Canon lenses aside from the one on my brother's camera.
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D80 + 28-70/2.8
400D + 17-55/2.8 + 35/2 + 50/1.8 + 85/1.8
Wrong lens choice.

You probably should NOT get the Nikon 28-70/2.8 as
your only lens for a DX camera. It's a normal-zoom for a film
body; for a DX body, you want the 17-55. Check out its
build quality compared to the Canon's. See the difference?
That's why the Nikon has a gold-ring on it, indicating that
it's one of the best lenses Nikon offers; tell me, where's
that L spec on the Canon EF-S 17-55? There isn't one.
What does that tell you?

If you're the kind to splurge on a top-of-the-line Nikkor
like the Nikon 17-55, why not pay $300 more to get a D200?
Or if you're super price-sensitive, why not get the D40X for
a couple hundred less, with the 18-55 II kit lens along for
the ride? They're all "10mp cameras". They're distinguised
by significant differences in body features.

The 400D and D80 aren't equivalent bodies any more than
the D80 is equivalent in body to the D200 or to the D40X.
It's not all about price. It's about what you're buying. The D80
has a lot more features on it; you're buying a lot more camera.

Just to name one thing,the 400D completely lacks a spot meter,
andits center weighted metering is only at the central point.
Nikon has both a spot and a variable-width center-weighted meter,
and both of these follow the focus point. This doesn't matter
for tripod shots of still lifes in full manual; otherwise, it does.
The Auto-ISO and NR configurations on the Nikon are better.
The Nikon also focuses better in lower light, and its viewfinder
is superior: brighter and with 94% magnification, not 80%.
I could on and on but I won't. Read what others say.

For example:

(note 72.3.225.30 = http://www . cameralabs . com)
http://72.3.225.30/features/10Megapixel_DSLR_test/page6.shtml

The Nikon D80 is arguably the best camera of the three. It beats the
400D / XTi and A100 in almost every respect, sporting superior design
and build quality, the biggest, brightest viewfinder, more
sophisticated AF, greater customisation and a secondary status screen
which many will find easier to read in bright light. While some test
results were very close, the D80 also resolved the greatest detail and
many will prefer its handling of high ISO noise to the Canon.

or this:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos400d/page21.asp

On paper the EOS 400D / Digital Rebel XTi has the same basic feature
set as the other two ten megapixel cameras here. The biggest difference
is that both the Nikon D80 and Sony DSLR-A100 offer some kind of
advantage for their premium. The Nikon D80 has a much wider range of
camera control, a larger and brighter viewfinder, better ergonomics, a
bigger battery, faster USB, spot metering and surprisingly useful
customizable automatic ISO. The Sony DSLR-A100 also has better
ergonomics, spot metering, a bigger battery, faster USB and built-in
CCD-shift Anti Shake (although we don't believe this to be as effective
lens image stabilization). The EOS 400D's 'on paper' advantages are
listed below, not a huge list and quite a surprise to see how the
competition have not just caught up with Canon but have overtaken them.

This is just the old D70 vs 300D thing all over again, and the
answer is the same: the Nikon costs a little more, but you get
much more camera for your money. The price-point you
should be comparing the 300D against is the D40X (maybe).
Note that everything I said about metering and focusing
is still true of the Nikon, and still doesn't work on the Canon.

I'd certainly get the D80--except for that I already own a D70
and a D200. :-) Might get the D80 anyway someday.

--tom
 
I guess this is what I must have noticed when I started this post as I was browsing for lenses. I'm about to drop about $4k on lenses. I just bought the D200 a few weeks back based on reviews and especially feel. Had simply just noticed what you confirmed.
 
I'm new to DSLR and just bought my D200 a couple weeks ago based on performance reviews and how it felt in my hands. So I'm new to this game and have no loyaltees to either Nikon or Canon. And I'm a newbie so I don't know what is better, or equal or inferior. I do know that if I pay more for something, it better be higher quality. So in shopping for lenses, (approx. $4500 as I do the math) I noticed that Nikon lenses seemed to be more expensive. 1k here or there doesn't make a difference to me. Just asking why I'm paying more for something. I didn't realize Canon had a 1yr warranty as has come up somewhere on this post. I just assumed that Nikon's 5 yr warranty was just like Canon's. So I'm ok paying more...
 
Ever wonder why 90% of bird photographers are Canon? Have you seen the prices of Nikon and Canon 400, 500 and 600mm lenses?

Nikon big guns are way more expensives than Canon, and Nikon has no VR, I don't know if you need VR or not on those lenses, but IS THERE in Canon lenses.

After shooting wildlife for the past four years with my 80-400VR I am ready to step up, I need more reach, 500 F/4 or 600 F/4; with these prices I can buy a Canon 30D with a 600mm IS for less money than a Nikon 600mm alone.

Josh
 
stuck with the development costs amortized over however many lenses they expect to sell over the period they need to recoup that cost. Whoever sells the most lenses can sell them cheaper...
 
is in the cost of officially imported vs gray market. In Canon's line, I see differences ranging from $5 to a maximum of $50. With Nikon, that difference is sometimes several hundred dollars. Looks like Canon knows how to control gray market products.
 
Nikon's 14mm is much cheaper and the 300 f2.8 and 70-200 are slightly cheaper than Canon.
--
Leonard Shepherd

Good photography has more to do with the pictures you take than the equipment you own.
 
Canon doesn't have a bee in its bonnet like Nikon on refusing to service grey market products. And Nikon has a five year warranty rather than Canon's one. There is almost no difference in value between grey and official in Canon; a huge difference in value between the two in Nikon.
 
True . . . . but not everyone buys from B&H, and if you look at dealers in the heartland, you'll find essentially no difference between the Canon and Nikon prices. And Nikon have their own perks too; the five year warranty in the US foremost among them.

I'd love to know though how it is that B&H can so severely undercut other dealers on Canon's long glass. The price difference on the 400, 500 and 600 lenses is amazing between B&H and other major dealers, often 20 percent or more. 300 and below, almost no difference at all. If you go to, say, Roberts Distributors, you'll see little difference between Canon and Nikon prices, and sometimes Roberts slightly undercuts B&H on Nikon.
 
I just check Adorama, Cameta and 17th st Photo and they have the same B&H prices, so is not a B&H thing.

My guess is that Roberts prices are out of whack for Canon big guns, so far they are the only ones with those prices.

Josh
True . . . . but not everyone buys from B&H, and if you look at
dealers in the heartland, you'll find essentially no difference
between the Canon and Nikon prices. And Nikon have their own perks
too; the five year warranty in the US foremost among them.

I'd love to know though how it is that B&H can so severely undercut
other dealers on Canon's long glass. The price difference on the
400, 500 and 600 lenses is amazing between B&H and other major
dealers, often 20 percent or more. 300 and below, almost no
difference at all. If you go to, say, Roberts Distributors, you'll
see little difference between Canon and Nikon prices, and sometimes
Roberts slightly undercuts B&H on Nikon.
 
Ever wonder why 90% of bird photographers are Canon? Have you seen
the prices of Nikon and Canon 400, 500 and 600mm lenses?
Where by chance did you pull this statistic. Or is it just pulled out of the air.
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Respond to rudeness with civility, it really annoys them.

Regards,

JR
 
I called Canon support. They consider a lens damaged by water to be
abused, and not under warranty.
Well, not sure about the question you have asked them. Canon
Germany repaired one of our 17-40/4L lenses with rain damage free
of charge / under warranty - for sure this would not apply to
dropping a lens into water as this would certainly exceed the
definition of weather resistance. I have the 70-200/2.8L IS and the
manual does not state to avoid exposing the lens to drops of water
as the 70-200VR manual does. I did not doubt at all that the
70-200VR is well built - my impression is it is and I like the lens
a lot, just Nikon avoids any statements that could support warranty
claims and this is unfortunate given the price tags of the "pro"
lenses.

Cheers,
Uwe
My question went to Canon USA. I asked them if a lens had moisture in it from rain, would the warranty cover it. Their response was no. They told me that the lens is built to be moisture and dust resistant, not proof. I have friends that shoot with Canon. Most of them have the 70-200 IS. We have shot together in rainy weather with no problem. Me with my D200 and 70-200 VR.
--
Respond to rudeness with civility, it really annoys them.

Regards,

JR
 

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