S9000 vs 1280 Review

Along with making a mistake on Canon's borderless printing, they
made another error with Canon's ink usage. The photo ink tanks do
run out close to the same time, and yellow will be low by the time
you replace the photo tanks, but the other tanks are still at least
half way full, though I suppose it depends on the type of prints
you do. In any case, they should have been able to do much more
than 30 8x10 prints before needing to replace an ink tank.
Yes, you are right. I have just used up an entire set of inks (for test purposes) and the Yellow ran dry first. After replacing the Yellow the Black, Photo Cyan and Photo Magenta also ran dry. I printed 30 PPP sheets at full coverage and over 250 A4 sheets of contact prints (set to Plain Paper mode) to get to the stage of running dry. An impressive printer.

Vincent--Vincent Oliver
 
Vincent -

You were the first person I thought to ask regarding this question. I just got too sleepy to post last night. :)

So what do you think was the deal with their test? This is a rather huge deal to miss this sort of fact in the review (misstated it a couple of times, actually).

Is there a special setup with the driver or something?

I haven't cross-referenced with your own review yet, but is there any other discrepancy that you found in their review as to timings, quality, etc.?
mikews -

Can you verify these points as soon as your get your printer. :)

I had the exact same questions after reading the review.
I can verify that you can do borderless printing right up to A3
with the Canon.

Vincent
--
Vincent Oliver
-- Ulysses
 
I agree, I've got a Canon s600 with individual ink tanks and I've
printed many images, but it alway's seem's that the cartridges run
out at almost the same time.
it depends on your printing habit. When you print multiple images over time, mostly every ink will be used evenly and run out at the same time. And that what Epson think that most people do.

anyway, when you printing the same image again and again - like me, printing a big panorama which contain blue color (sky) in most area. Then my blue (light cyan) run out before the others.

So, I like the individual tank idea better.

Kui
 
Can you explain why an A3 version of the Colorio 950c would be
better than the s9000? Assuming it is much faster than the current
1280, all its other specs would be identical to the s9000. So why
would it be better?

just curious. i'll get the s9000 if it can do borderless A3. but
why, oh why, can't you use longer sheets for panoramas like the
1280... sigh oh well...
Warren:

When I bought my 1280 in May 2001, I was blown away by the quality,
I also have a Canon s600 which isn't a bad printer, but not photo
quality.
Please don't compare the S600 4-colour printer to the S800 6-colour generation. The differences are immense (I own the S800 and my mother has the S600 so I have first hand experience of both).

The S800 generation certainly shows innovation in the photo inkjet printer market and I doubt Epson has anything in the pipeline which would be a significant improvement.

Tony
 
can somebody please answer me the following question. One 5 colour epson cartridge $29.99, cost of five individual colour canon cartridges $59.75 (five colour cartidges @ $11.95). Does the Canon cartridges contain twice the ink the combined epson ? or are you going to lose some of the savings of individual inks by paying more for the ink in the first place.
 
Yes, you are right. I have just used up an entire set of inks (for
test purposes) and the Yellow ran dry first. After replacing the
Yellow the Black, Photo Cyan and Photo Magenta also ran dry. I
printed 30 PPP sheets at full coverage and over 250 A4 sheets of
contact prints (set to Plain Paper mode) to get to the stage of
running dry. An impressive printer.
Sounds like a good test and conclusion to me.

I guess things can vary depending upon what I'm printing. Say I go on a cruise and come back with pics of the ship, the sky and ocean. I'd expect ink usage to be totally different.

But on average across a wide variety of sizes and subjects, I can't imagine that I wouldn't save with this type of cartridge format.-- Ulysses
 
I dont know about all the other models & brands. I have owned a Canon S800 for less than half a year and have used exclusively for photo printing. I use a HP Deskjet 712C for printing my word processing needs.

This is my experience of ink usage on my first set of color cartridges. After the
48th print - Changed the photo magenta ink cartridge
54th print - changed the yellow ink
61st print - changeg the photo cyan ink
112th print - changed the magenta
148th print - changed the cyan ink
I'm now on my 161st print and I havent changed the black ink cartridge.

The photo prints are all 8" X 10 5/8". (mostly four 4" X 5.33" sizes which I cut, and six 4" x 3 1/4" (which I label or type in notes between the spaces) but leave it as a full size page to make as an album.

The average no. of sheets I had printed for my 1st set of colored (5 cartridges) inks, excluding the black ink cartridge is

85 SHEETS of 8" x 10 5/8".

I'm now tracking my 2nd set of photo prints. Still the same observation: some inks are used much faster than others. Changing the ink in the printer takes about 15 seconds (including opening & closing the printer cover.) There is a "low ink warning" for the specific ink (about 5 to 10 sheets before it runs out.) My printer will not run when the "out of ink" comes on. That's when I change the cartridge.

I now keep a few sets of all the cartridges since i save money on the shipping(less than $5) & get the cartridges mostly from Page computer for about $8.60 each.

Printing time is about 2 minutes 40 seconds a sheet. No ink cloggiing.
Using original manufacturers inks and Canon PPP paper.

I'm sure all the newer models of whatever printer you buy will be an improved version and will be happy with it. I am very happy with mine.
 
Vincent -

You were the first person I thought to ask regarding this question.
I just got too sleepy to post last night. :)

So what do you think was the deal with their test? This is a rather
huge deal to miss this sort of fact in the review (misstated it a
couple of times, actually).
Their test had their stamp on it and on the whole it was fairly good. Although the reference to only being able to do a 6x4 borderless print was off track. Even if a A3 printer didn't offer borderless printing, there would be a way to create at least a A4 borderless print.
Is there a special setup with the driver or something?
There is a borderless setting under the menu, you can set the amount of overlap.
I haven't cross-referenced with your own review yet, but is there
any other discrepancy that you found in their review as to timings,
quality, etc.?
My timings were better, but then this would also depend on their computer, RAM, Processor speed, what application they are using to print from and how much memory this uses and spooling space etc. I produced a full A4 sheet at the highest quality in approx 90 seconds - good enough for me.

I was so impressed with the Canon that I purchased one to replace my Epson 875DC.

Vincent--Vincent Oliver
 
Their test had their stamp on it and on the whole it was fairly
good. Although the reference to only being able to do a 6x4
borderless print was off track. Even if a A3 printer didn't offer
borderless printing, there would be a way to create at least a A4
borderless print.
Yes, it seemed like their general impressions were right on. With this detail, however, it made me wonder if they just didn't get familiar enough with the printer.
There is a borderless setting under the menu, you can set the
amount of overlap.
Going borderless on the Epsons tends to slow those printers down by quite a bit if I remember my information correctly. Do you notice a similar slow-down in the Canons?
My timings were better, but then this would also depend on their
computer, RAM, Processor speed, what application they are using to
print from and how much memory this uses and spooling space etc. I
produced a full A4 sheet at the highest quality in approx 90
seconds - good enough for me.
Fortunately, my new PC, packed with RAM, is on its way. :)

I shouldn't have a problem here. I just need the money now to get the printer.
I was so impressed with the Canon that I purchased one to replace
my Epson 875DC.
And that is saying a lot. -- Ulysses
 
I dont know about all the other models & brands. I have owned a
Canon S800 for less than half a year and have used exclusively for
photo printing. I use a HP Deskjet 712C for printing my word
processing needs.

This is my experience of ink usage on my first set of color
cartridges. After the
48th print - Changed the photo magenta ink cartridge
54th print - changed the yellow ink
61st print - changeg the photo cyan ink
112th print - changed the magenta
148th print - changed the cyan ink
I'm now on my 161st print and I havent changed the black ink
cartridge.
The photo prints are all 8" X 10 5/8". (mostly four 4" X 5.33"
sizes which I cut, and six 4" x 3 1/4" (which I label or type in
notes between the spaces) but leave it as a full size page to make
as an album.
etc. etc.
Sounds about right to me. I didn't replace the cartridges during my test period on the S900. During the changing process I must have held the cartridge by it's side (well, I did) and as I twisted the orange cap off I squirted my hands with Photo Magenta. Be carefull when putting in new colours. I can also vouch that the ink washed off the next day - so much for 25 years fade resistance (thank heavens).

Vincent
--Vincent Oliver
 
One advantage of the separate ink tanks on earlier Canons (BJC6200) is that you could also replace the print head, after scrapping an Epson 1200 with a blocked print head this would be a significant advantage,but does the 9000 have replaceable print heads?
Regards
JohnR
--JohnR
 
One advantage of the separate ink tanks on earlier Canons (BJC6200)
is that you could also replace the print head, after scrapping an
Epson 1200 with a blocked print head this would be a significant
advantage,but does the 9000 have replaceable print heads?
Regards
JohnR
Yes and No.

The print head has to be fitted by the user before placing the colour cartridges in - simple job. However, here in the UK I am told by Canon, if anything goes wrong with the print head, then the printer has to be sent to a Canon service center. I am sure this situation may change, but then if nothing goes wrong with the head then the problem will not arise.

Vincent--Vincent Oliver
 
The S800 generation certainly shows innovation in the photo inkjet
printer market and I doubt Epson has anything in the pipeline which
would be a significant improvement.
Heh, the Colorio 950 that Epson is holding back on us, has 7 colors, 2pl droplet size, and the ability to feed and print directly on CDR's.

If the new Canon's force Epson to finally up the ante by releasing their 2pl technology, yay for Canon. ;)

Oh, btw, I use a Mediastreets OEM Match Inks and their Niagra CIS. That should solve any chinese ink problems. The color match does look very good, but we're in the process of profiling the printer and papers, anyway, so that doesn't really matter.
 
Vincent -

Do you have any way at all of checking with Canon USA to see if the same will be the case?

I suppose you'll need to wait until they announce it in the US first, huh? Thing is, as a reviewer, would they at least entertain your inquiry on something like this?

-- Ulysses
 
Have you ever opened up a colour 1280 cartridge which Intellidge tells you is empty? You'll find it is far from empty with loads of ink left for several of the colours - that's what I call a scam.

Epson's inks are a rip-off.
I agree, I've got a Canon s600 with individual ink tanks and I've
printed many images, but it alway's seem's that the cartridges run
out at almost the same time.
When you run out of yellow, then you run out of magenta and so on.
It makes me think that these printer manufacturer's have developed
a scam whereas you think you're saving money because you're only
replacing one color at a time, but in actual fact you're paying
more PER COLOR.
I mean think about it, I can buy a color cartridge for my Epson
1280 for around $45.00CDN and a black cartridge for about $35.00
CDN.
But if I buy replacement cartridges for the s9000 there gonna run
around
$20.00 CDN x 6 or something around there( I can't say with
certainty because the s9000 isn't available in Canada yet)
I do know that the cartridges for my Canon s600 cost $17.95 at
Staples so if the s9000 uses the same cartridge then I'm gonna pay
about $27.00
more than my Epson cartridges.
Where's the saving's!!!!

dvg
 
The review reports the Canon only does borderless prints in 4x6.
:-( Can anyone who has one confirm that?
  • Mike
Hi all,

I was at the Focus On Imaging show yesterday (the biggest in Europe apparently) and had a close look at the Canon S9000. Whilst I was talking to the salesman their display printer produced the most beautiful borderless A3 print I have seen from an inkjet (I use Epson 1200) printed on PPP paper.
As soon as I can find one I will make a purchase!

Steve.

PS Also handled the new Nikon D100 and I was impressed.
 
There is a good comparison of costs for different printers here:

http://www.dp-now.com/Features/Printer_reviews/Photo-inkjets/Running_costs/running_costs.html

Its compares the Canon S800 and competitors, based on UK prices but the principle is still the same.

H
I agree, I've got a Canon s600 with individual ink tanks and I've
printed many images, but it alway's seem's that the cartridges run
out at almost the same time.
When you run out of yellow, then you run out of magenta and so on.
It makes me think that these printer manufacturer's have developed
a scam whereas you think you're saving money because you're only
replacing one color at a time, but in actual fact you're paying
more PER COLOR.
I mean think about it, I can buy a color cartridge for my Epson
1280 for around $45.00CDN and a black cartridge for about $35.00
CDN.
But if I buy replacement cartridges for the s9000 there gonna run
around
$20.00 CDN x 6 or something around there( I can't say with
certainty because the s9000 isn't available in Canada yet)
I do know that the cartridges for my Canon s600 cost $17.95 at
Staples so if the s9000 uses the same cartridge then I'm gonna pay
about $27.00
more than my Epson cartridges.
Where's the saving's!!!!

dvg
 

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