"Fake" photo in National Geographic.

a$$ "whole" photographers who ruin it for ones who are legit.

It will get to the point where images will require authenticaton rather than trusting the photographer. Sort of like requiring the negative to prove the image is yours.

THe D200 has image authentication...hmmm

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Documentary films are created with a lot of footage then the editors throw away all the footage that doesn't support their agenda and then rearrange what's left so it further enhances their story. Then they promote it as being accurate

Look at what the History Channel is doing now a days. To explain a historical event they use clips from movies that may or may not be accurate.

dave
 
Documentary films are created with a lot of footage then the
editors throw away all the footage that doesn't support their
agenda and then rearrange what's left so it further enhances their
story. Then they promote it as being accurate

Look at what the History Channel is doing now a days. To explain a
historical event they use clips from movies that may or may not be
accurate.
Dave, what you say is true about the footage used being a small percentage of what was shot, but the point is it was shot, not created in studio. That's a significant difference. Rather like "Moonrise Over Hernandez, NM". Adams never represented it as anything other than a few minutes of serendipity he had the knowledge to exploit and the darkroom techniques to maximize.

What the History Channel is doing is substantially different. I've lost my appreciation for the History Channel, in fact, because of some of their free-thinking interpretations of what qualifies as "history". I can appreciate that they are on the search for ever more interesting things to present, but sensational advertising for "facts" that don't live up to their billing is killing the channels reputation in my opinion. I'm a professional photographer whose hobbies include history, and I don't include regular weekly rebroadcasts on UFO's as history, as an example. They're a curiosity, may or may not be real, but you have to have some facts to present a history, by definition. Speculation is not fact.

How does that relate? National Geographic was begun as the house magazine of a group of explorers and naturalists and was published as a "report" on expeditions and other findings. It's main strength was in it's accuaracy and scientific approach. Even when they made mistakes, they were mistakes either of recording or of prejudices overriding caution, and often subsequent substantial space was given to alternatives or disproofs.

By branching off into re-creations and approximations, artificially created and not announced as such, they lose credibility as a reporting media. The first of these I recall was the cover photo in which one of the Egyptian pyramids at Giza was moved in the words of the editor responsible "to make a better composition". There was an immense uproar from photographers and naturalists worldwide. At precisely that moment National Geographic departed from the scientific approach and moved into what has become a remaking of the world's imagery to suit an ethos that is very different from what they pretend to be. NGM apologized, but unfortunately, the internal culture that wants to drive sales at the expense of accuracy and realism has prevailed.

It's the hypocrisy that is upsetting. These same photos in Popular Photography would be acclaimed for their skill in retouching or set up. The story of what the author/photographers are trying to represent would be just as interesting, too, but the two magazines serve very different ends.
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jrbehm
http://homepage.mac.com/jrbehm/Scenic/
 
Your comments are right on the money. And to those that post qoutations about absolute truth not existing, or all truth being half-truth -- what a bunch of hogwash. That philosophy is nothing more than peoples attempt to justify their own behavioral choices. If it's true that (note the irony) that truth is relative and no absolute truth exists, then science and education are absolutely a fool's errand. You are so correct in your statements about the so called 'History Channel' and National Geographic -- they have both abandoned their original objectivity to promote an agenda.

God Bless,
Greg
http://www.imagismphotos.com
http://www.pbase.com/daddyo
 
Canon has had authentication for years, and Nikon has it now, so
you must do one more step: manipulate your image, print it, and
then shoot the print!
It is interesting one of the first things my first photographic mentor tought me was all the ways to lie with a camera.

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Bryan - click, click, click, click, moo, click, click...
 
Even at the low resolution in the original post this is so obviously an utter fake. If this was used in Nat Geo then the picture editor and everyone concernd with publishing this deserves to be FIRED! It doesn't matter what the photographer did or did't say about the picture, it is so obviously fake it should NEVER have been considered. It is like a first year student project. Appalling! Also, even if this were real, the backwash from the whale would have NAILED the swimmer, and we would have been looking at the before shot of a marine accident!

This is so pathetic it is funny!

Steve

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In addition, I question the authenticity of the quotes -- Einstein believed in one God -- not a commitee of gods (Thus his oft repeated quote, "God does not play dice.") So to refer to "laughter of the gods" sounds somewhat incongruous. Regardless, to suggest that we cannot, or should not judge truth is pure nonsense.

God Bless,
Greg
http://www.imagismphotos.com
http://www.pbase.com/daddyo
 
Interesting;

No one yet brings up the facts that National Geographic asked questions about the authenticity of the photo of Getty Images and the photographer , that Getty also presumably asked questions about the authenticity of the photographer and that both Getty and National Geographic Adventure were repeatedly lied to by the "photographer" until he finally confessed to the hoax.

Hopefully Getty has ended the guys contract and billed him for any fees incurred in researching and refunding National Geographic's money to them.
 
Agreed. Absolutely. Whichever of the several different photographers now listed in this thread are under discussion, the representation of these photos as authentic is clearly on their heads for the deception and for receiving fees for same.

Unfortunately, besides lying photographers, the one thing that remains constant is National Geopgraphic Magazine's ability to be duped by photos that we photographers can see are not authentic. I think, between the original whale shot, the mayflies/kingfisher shots and the African tribal hunters, we're up to 3 (possibly 4 in this thread alone) times the editorial staff has been bamboozled by images that were found by the READERS to be false And found false through evidence apparent on the printed page!

Evidently NGM is now hiring from the same talent pool that my local 'camera shop' chain store uses for it sales clerks, 'cuz they sure ain't photographers!
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jrbehm
http://homepage.mac.com/jrbehm/Scenic/
 
Isn't this what PP is all about? Isn't PP at least 30% of the conversation on the forum?

Changing the color of clouds, creating contrast, removing rocks and trees, putting light and shadow where there was none, boosting saturation, removing/replacing, sharpening/blurring, turning common photos into fantasy shots?

There is little that isn't smoke & mirrors anymore. Little is real because people are bored by real.

I don't like the idea that NG published that photo - but considering the times, why is this so appauling? Look at all the pimped out photos on Pbase or any other site. Photos turned into paintings at a local gallery here and sold as limited edition lithographs - signed by the artist in pencil!! It's a Brave New World.

rich

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'We sleep safely in our beds - because rough men are willing to do violence on our behalf.' George Orwell
 

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