710IS or 570IS?

I have just seen the 570IS today. It looks so much smaller and compact than the 710IS.

I wonder which one should I get.

The good points about the 710IS are :

1) longer zoom (6X)
2) The reviews from the website is a higher recommended.

Bad points :

1) slightly bulkier.
2) using Digic II

As for the 570IS,the good points are :

1) it is smaller in size,
2) using Digic III.

Bad points :

1) only 4 times zoom.

No one has posted any pics from 570IS yet and there is no review so far

I am in a dilemma.

Is the digic III much better than Digic II?

I heard that digic III colours are more punchy

Anyone has any suggestions?

Thanks

I have posted some images here from the 570IS.

http://www.pbase.com/tank_bmb/a570is

The A570IS is a fun little camera. I was looking for a small point and shoot with some photographic control for those times that I dont want to carry my XTi around. I also wanted IS so that I could keep ISO as low as possible.

I initially got the Nikon P3 as it was said to provide good, low processed images for later post processing. It was far too soft and noisy for my liking. Additionallly, the only creative mode was Av and it had no FEC. It went back!

I saw the A570IS in best buy and it seemed perfect, although slightly larger than I had hoped for, but manageable.

If you use flash alot, it might be annoying because there is a bit of a recharging delay. Not an issue for me though.

Hmmm? Well I've got an A710 IS and love it. In comparing the two cameras spec. wise they are darn near identical and I'm puzzled as to why Canon even bothered to turn out an A570. I was a bit puzzled by the comment that the A570 seemed quite a bit smaller. In a side-by-side comparison of specs (at least the specs provided by DPreview) the A570 is actually a tad wider than the A710 and a tad heavier. Actually, in overall spec. wise the A570 is just a bit smaller so you're correct.

As for Digic III vs. Digic II . . . I think the jury is still out on whether or not there are any significant advantages with Digic III. I can petty much tell you that the differences from Digic I to Digic II were tremendous, but the same cannot be said for the leap from Digic II to Digic III. You've got some gimmicky things like "face recognition" in some of these cameras but overall I don't see a lot of differences. Perhaps someone can post and provide more significant advantages. In fact, there are some reporting here that they prefer the overall image quality of Digic II. I'm just not sure myself.

There are a few other differences. The A710 is slightly faster at the tele end (4.8) and it has a great 6x at that! Whereas, the A570 is slightly slower at it's 4x tele (5.5). However the opposite is true at the wide angle ends with the A570 being slightly faster. I think the winner in that regard has to be the A710 because it's at the critical tele end where the speed difference really makes a difference. The A570 goes out to 1600 ISO (if you're in to 1600 images) and the A710 stops at a more reasonable and usable 800 ISO . . . personally I'd pass on 1600 ISO and I really don't care for 800 ISO either. I think most others would agree, yet still you have some extra reach there if you want to use it.

To conclude, I don't think you'd go "wrong" with either one. The price differences are not that great with the A570 being a bit cheaper, but you can find great deals on the A710 now because it's been out for a bit. Personally, I think I'd go for the A710 for the luscious 6x and the established very good track record. Let us know how YOU decided because that is what really matters. Good Luck !!!

how do you find the lcd screen on the 710? and some people have commented that the images are slightly yellow.

but the 6x is quite appealing in a small camera!!!

Great questions! Well, no doubt the 115K LCD in bright sunlight is going to wash out on you if hard sunlight is directly on it. However, if you can angle things a bit differently (and sometimes you can) then it's fine. If not, then the Optical Viewfinder saves the day every time. Having a higher pixel LCD like a 205 or 230 would make things better, BUT I've even seen these in harsh sunlight force you to go to an Optical Viewfinder as well.

Now as for the warm color tendency, some of this is simply inherrent to Canon's intentional bias towards warmer tones. Many people find this quite pleasing in people photography. You can easily adjust your white balance to compensate and make things a tad cooler (bluer) to your satisfaction. Casio seems to have a natural cooler tone to their images which some find appealing and others don't. Having a good white balance control can usually correct things either way for you.

On second read, I don't think I adequately addressed your concern about a yellow image actually "on" the LCD in composing. That I have not seen at all in mine. I incorrectly misread your post and commented on Canon's tendency towards warmer tones in final captured images.

meant in the captured image not on the screen. 2 different questions.

do you also have an sd700 is? someone else on this board had both and was wondering why.

Yes, that was me . . . I have both an SD700 IS and an A710 IS. I got the SD700 first for the true pocket needs for everyday carry and on the spot needs. However, I always kind of missed having Shutter Priority because with all my 35mm film cameras from the 1976 (Canon AE-I) , 1983 (Nikon FA), 1986 (Canon T90), etc., that was my favorite mode. However, last fall when the A710 IS came out with Shutter Priority I grabbed one. The SD700 is tethered to me at all times in my pocket for on the spot moments. However, the A710 goes with me whenever I'm on an "intended" photo hunt.

I love both of them equally. But I've also got an eye on the Panny TZ3 but I'm waiting on Simons review. I'm also awaiting the Panny LX3 this summer. If either of those have finally gotten past the Panny "noise box" issue, then I'll be all over either one of those as well.

never considered the sd800 is - wide angle.?

notice any major image quality difference between the two? 710is and sd700? also assume flash recycle is better on the sd? and lcd as well.

There are at least three reviews of the A570IS:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/compacts/a570.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_PowerShot_A570_IS/4505-6501_7-32314644.html?tag=pdtl-list

http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.php/taxid ;2136212589;pid;3362;pt;1

-HM
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'I see a Hollow Man, gun in hand, it points my way.' - The Cult

Nope. The SD700 was found by Simon here and a number of others to be slightly better in image quality. The SD800 isn't a bad camera at all but attempts at gaining wide angle in such a diminuitive camera will always result in tradeoffs and many people have returned the SD800 because of the corner softness. In all fairness though, you usually don't see that softness until you get to 100% crops . . . but it's there alright.

Personally, I find a 35mm-140mm far more useful than a 28mm-100mm. I can't see why folks would want to give up so much more on the tele end just to gain entry into the mere beginning of wide angle at 28mm. The difference between 28mm & 35mm is only about 11.9% in diagonal measurement (which is how you have to measure it in fairness). I say this because while you're gaining a bit more in horizontal field of view with the 28mm, you're also loosing a bit in verticle field of view as well . . . but you rarely hear that mentioned here by anyone. Everyone just talks about the wider portion gained. Still the SD800 is a good camera providing your willing to accept some softness, loss of tele just to gain one step into merely the beginning of wide angle. Personally, it's not worth it for me.

As far as IQ between the two, I haven't noticed anything significant that jumps out at you. Theoretically I supposed the A710 should have a slight advantage due to larger glass but if I had to pick one, I'd swear the SD700 has crisper and maybe just slightly sharper images (but you'd have to look real close to see it and you won't see it all the time).

Yes, the achiles heel to the A710 is definitely the slow flash recycle. Personally, I hate the look of flash photography as such harsh bursting artifical light too often makes people look unnatural. It creates red eye and makes people flinch. I much more prefer capturing a person in darker "moodier" natural light and live with the shadows (whcih can often add drama and interest) than to light people up with harsh flash bursting light. But that's just a personal choice. So, for me with either camera I avoid using flash altogether. Yes, this limits you in dark conditions for sure, but it's a tradeoff I have learned to accept. However, if you're into the look of flash photograhy then the A710 may well be a deal killer for you and the SD700 would clearly leap ahead.

Thanks Byran for the photos. They are remarkable.

i was looking at the camera today. It is indeed smaller than the 710IS, quite noticeably.

Keith

Hi Yoda

Thanks for the informative advice.

Today, I went to take a look at the 570IS and the 710IS again and quite noticeably, the 570IS is smaller in size.

Actually, I am still deciding which one to buy.

My decision is now the size and the digic II or 3.

As for this face detection feature, will it cleverly expose the faces of people nicely if just say orginally it is underexpose for example their back is facing the sun? Meaning with this feature, I need not use fill -flash.

Thanks

hi yoda

You mentioned that Canon has tend to have warmer tones to the pictures and that it can be set to have cooler tones with white balance.

Which white balance should I be using for scenery shots and people to achieve the cooler tone effect

I think the fuji cameras tend to give cooler tones

Thanks

Hi Kieth . . . it's difficult to provide any particular WB setting for any given type of shot. This is all so subjective that you really have to just kind of experiment and see what to your eye looks pleasing.

Well, I'll certainly take your word for it that the A570 looks significantly smaller than the A710 in person. If DPReviews' specs. are correct then it appears on paper that they are not too significantly different but in person things can indeed seem otherwise (WxHXD):

A570 = 90 x 64 x 43 mm (3.5 x 2.5 x 1.7 in)
A710 = 98 x 67 x 41 mm (3.9 x 2.6 x 1.6 in)

As for the differences between Digic II & Digic III . . . I think the differences between Digic I & Digic II were indeed significant. However, not so much between Digic II & Digic III. Digic III gives you the "face recognition" thing (which might be nice, but spot metering can accomplish the same thing and it cannot be fooled like face recognition can in tricking lighting like you described). Digic III gives you more aggressive noise reduction (which may or may not be good since compromises will occur) and it gives you ISO 1600 capability (if you're into ISO 1600 images . . . personally I'll pass).

Like I said earlier, you won't go "wrong" with either cam. I would just be more comfortable with the well established Digic II & the 6x of the A710. Yeah, it's a bit larger but each can still fit in a decent size pocket or small pouch. It remains to be seen if the A570 will have the same flash lag as the A710. My guess is it will given the same 2 "AA"'s. Did you actually handle each cam to see which fit your hand better? Sometimes a slightly larger cam can be a better fit for you and therefore result in steadier pictures. Don't agonize over this too much as you won't go very wrong either way. Good luck in your decision!

The A570 IS has a larger macro focus range (5 cm. compared to 1 cm.) than the A710 IS

And although it doesn't have the 6x zoom range of the A710 IS, it has a slighlty faster lens at the wide end (2.6 vs 2.8) but slower at the long end.

Digic III has face detect, which I personally find very useful with poitraits.

Dave

When Office Depot offered the 710IS at $240. (this week) I could not resist! I needed a camera that I could print larger prints and still be portable. I lost alot of pics because my SLR stayed home because it was toooooo big!!!!

Don